# Date Night - Long Time Coming **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 4, 2014, 4:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055 "2014-02-04T16:29:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 4:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055/41 "2014-02-09T16:21:17Z")
> [@lakerman34](#): > > She told me “ughhhh I’m so so sorry. I responded to ALL of those messages. Internet in my dorm has been spotty lately.” – I went to the same school she goes to, so I can vouch for the spottiness of the internet. > > The girl isn’t bipolar. She’s one of the realest girls you’ll ever meet. A friend of mine (who is unaware she and I are talking) told me that she thinks this girl is the most “objectively cool girl I’ve ever met.” > > She’s the type of girl that rolls her eyes at romantic comedies, and hates shoes, makeup, and “girly” things. She doesn’t wear makeup or perfume. > > The night we hung out, I asked her to pick a movie. I thought she’d pick a rom-com, but I was OK with that b/c I sort of thought sex was coming. She told me she was DYING to see The Conjuring and was going to see it alone, but she’d watch it with me if I’d like. > “I’m doomed to be forever friendzoned b/c I’m too much of a bro.” > > EDIT: ANNNNNDDDDD we have a date night (movie, dinner) scheduled for Wednesday. You are doing an extremly good job of painting her into the cluster-B corner then. All this rings a big clanging bell as potential traits. and yes, they can seem superficially very together and keep it up for a good while - until the confusion sets-in. Even a normal tomboy/non-girly-type will not put you through all this but again, (in fact they are amongst the most up-front/straightforward of all women IME) the mirroring aspect often defines them - They are exceptionally good at presenting just what the guy concerned wants to see. And you are making plausible explanations/excuses for her - This is another sign of someone responding to a cluster-B in the classic form and again, if a girl is really attracted, she won’t be making any excuses. I don’t go for particularly conventional women and my ex completely reinvented herself from her previous two LTR’s and gave me just what I thought I wanted and for the next guy, she did it again - from one extreme of crisp/professional businesswoman to outdoorsy/laid-back/informal for me and the perfect prim churchgoing housewife for her next victim - and she put that poor sod through **three complete** sets of wedding plans, which must have cost him thousands in cancellation fees each time she changed her mind. Be glad your one is just blowing hot and cold over dates/sex! 😮 ---
**Author:** ![Mrdimes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/50afbb/32.png) [@Mrdimes](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mrdimes)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2014, 10:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055/42 "2014-02-09T22:44:44Z")
oh my lord. You actually believe shes different? Wow. You should know better. I’ve read your journal before and im supriseded you fucked girls with this mentality. Pheros might’ve helped you big time. Listen to what mobo and himeros are saying. They know what the fuck they’re talking about. The way you type your text reminds of the way “nice guys” type. Usually the only girls “nice guys” get are cluster B’s. You said she’s not bipolar. You don’t know that and doesn’t mater if she is. She could be histronic. Based on the fact you dimissed are help shows me you didn’t even look up what cluster B is. Listen up bruh. She is playing with you at the moment. Listen to mobo. ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 7:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055/43 "2014-02-10T07:23:59Z")
> [@Mrdimes](#): > > oh my lord. You actually believe shes different? Wow. You should know better. I’ve read your journal before and im supriseded you fucked girls with this mentality. Pheros might’ve helped you big time. > > Listen to what mobo and himeros are saying. They know what the fuck they’re talking about. The way you type your text reminds of the way “nice guys” type. Usually the only girls “nice guys” get are cluster B’s. You said she’s not bipolar. You don’t know that and doesn’t mater if she is. She could be histronic. Based on the fact you dimissed are help shows me you didn’t even look up what cluster B is. > > Listen up bruh. She is playing with you at the moment. > > Listen to mobo. I’m actually cluster B. Narcissistic. I do believe she may be narcissistic too. Like I said – 2 peas, 1 pod. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 8:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055/44 "2014-02-10T08:55:31Z")
> [@lakerman34](#): > > I’m actually cluster B. > > Narcissistic. > > I do believe she may be narcissistic too. Ahh - this puts quite a different slant on it - Two Narcissists together is not a good match but Narcissists and certain other aspects of cluster-B are a very different matter - they could be said to be made for each other as the behaviours of one seldom get to the point of fully triggering the negative/acting-up behaviours of the other. ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 5:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055/45 "2014-02-10T17:38:39Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Ahh - this puts quite a different slant on it - Two Narcissists together is not a good match but Narcissists and certain other aspects of cluster-B are a very different matter - they could be said to be made for each other as the behaviours of one seldom get to the point of fully triggering the negative/acting-up behaviours of the other. Yeah, a psychologist “diagnosed” me with narcissism. He told me narcissists tend to put themselves on a pedestal above everybody else, but he said I put myself on a pedestal and try to bring everyone else up with me. He told me this may actually be a more “positive” form of narcissism. The girl is DEFINITELY not histrionic. She actually tries to keep attention as far away from herself as possible. We go to an ivy league school, and she won a campus-wide poetry competition. They announced it via email to the entire campus, and she was all sorts of embarrassed. I find that she has this really incredible talents as we go along, she doesn’t exactly “share” them to others. So if she were cluster-b, DEFINITELY narcissism, but she is actually quite an empathic person. The only “narcissistic” trait I think she holds is she LOVES to be admired. Not necessarily for attention (she doesn’t really like attention), but she LOVES when people call her brilliant or people tell her that she’s awesome. She told me she isn’t too proud of this. Her life goal is to win an Emmy, and she told me the song “Applause” by Lady Gaga is the theme song for her life. ---
**Author:** ![Himeros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/himeros/32/2325_2.png) [@Himeros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Himeros)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 6:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055/46 "2014-02-10T18:21:32Z")
Narcissistic personality traits are observed a lot in college students. I remember reading somewhere especially in the generations born after 1985, narcissism has become very prevalent, with up to 20% of the sample being diagnosed with high narcissism. It’s not necessarily pathological. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 6:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055/47 "2014-02-10T18:28:55Z")
It is quite possible for aspects of cluster-B to coexist with narcissism though - and some of your description does register on their scale as well. The empathy/adoration thing is also in there - except its often a very superficial empathy, that initially seems close/bonding but is really more to do with how they tune the mirroring behaviour. So don’t be too surprised to see it all thrown back in your face at some point and gauge your responses with that at the back of your mind. The adoration is also more to do with not being ignored - which is why NC can work so spectacularly well on these girls! In fact it is not at all uncommon for many women to present aspects of narcissism and be totally normal - we are all allowed a few traits but it does seem to go with the territory of being a woman. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![GorchFock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/90ced4/32.png) [@GorchFock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GorchFock)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 6:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055/48 "2014-02-10T18:59:51Z")
> [@lakerman34](#): > > Yeah, a psychologist “diagnosed” me with narcissism. He told me narcissists tend to put themselves on a pedestal above everybody else, but he said I put myself on a pedestal and try to bring everyone else up with me. He told me this may actually be a more “positive” form of narcissism. > > The girl is DEFINITELY not histrionic. She actually tries to keep attention as far away from herself as possible. We go to an ivy league school, and she won a campus-wide poetry competition. They announced it via email to the entire campus, and she was all sorts of embarrassed. I find that she has this really incredible talents as we go along, she doesn’t exactly “share” them to others. > > So if she were cluster-b, DEFINITELY narcissism, but she is actually quite an empathic person. The only “narcissistic” trait I think she holds is she LOVES to be admired. Not necessarily for attention (she doesn’t really like attention), but she LOVES when people call her brilliant or people tell her that she’s awesome. She told me she isn’t too proud of this. Her life goal is to win an Emmy, and she told me the song “Applause” by Lady Gaga is the theme song for her life. Lakerdude, I’d like to advice you to carefully reread your entire post. I think you delude yourself in trying to deny the ladie’s issues. What you do is ironically the very thing you just described: “_but he said I put myself on a pedestal and try to bring everyone else up with me_” Assuming this “diagnosis” is reasonably justified, then what you do would fit the glove. You’re seriously attracted to this girl, and that’s why she _has_ to be, in your mind, something special, greatly talented, while at the same time, very bullshit-free. Anyhing less would’nt do for a narcist. That’s why some narcistic people try to “bring everyone else up” - I guess “everyone” in this case means friends and family, ppl that are close to you or matter to you - cause they could’nt stand to be related to or associated with lesser, mediocre, boring etc. beings. I don’t argue that she is all that - talented, smart, charming, delightful. She’s propably outstanding in many respects. And empathy is not a contradiction to narcism - it can be a way to fuel it. _"but she LOVES when people call her brilliant or people tell her that she’s awesome. She told me she isn’t too proud of this. Her life goal is to win an Emmy, and she told me the song “Applause” by Lady Gaga is the theme song for her life_" Now that is inconsistency isn’t it? Everybody likes praise and recognition. But what you describe is no healthy way to deal with it. It’s pretense. To lust for fame and fortune, but be embarrassed by attention? Hardly. It’s fishing for compliments, but pathologically. Another way how she tries to manipulate others. And her life goal seems a bit immature, to say the least. But granted, how old was she? Everthing said should of course be taken with a grain of salt. After all, you know her best. But tread carefully there. Go out and have fun, try to attain dominance or balance in the constellation and let it flow ---
**Author:** ![GorchFock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/90ced4/32.png) [@GorchFock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GorchFock)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 7:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055/49 "2014-02-10T19:12:23Z")
> [@Himeros](#): > > Narcissistic personality traits are observed a lot in college students. I remember reading somewhere especially in the generations born after 1985, narcissism has become very prevalent, with up to 20% of the sample being diagnosed with high narcissism. It’s not necessarily pathological. Read that to. Find it disturbing, with severe narcissism comes less solidarity. Oh and sorry, the word is narcissism of course. Wrote narcism above. It’s narzissmus in German, without the extra-i. ---
**Author:** ![Himeros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/himeros/32/2325_2.png) [@Himeros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Himeros)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 7:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055/50 "2014-02-10T19:20:44Z")
> [@GorchFock](#): > > Read that to. Find it disturbing, with severe narcissism comes less solidarity. Oh and sorry, the word is narcissism of course. Wrote narcism above. It’s narzissmus in German, without the extra-i. Yeah had to Google that one too, in my language it’s also without the extra i 😉 ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 9:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055/51 "2014-02-10T21:27:22Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > You are doing an extremly good job of painting her into the cluster-B corner then. All this rings a big clanging bell as potential traits. and yes, they can seem superficially very together and keep it up for a good while - until the confusion sets-in. > > Even a normal tomboy/non-girly-type will not put you through all this but again, (in fact they are amongst the most up-front/straightforward of all women IME) the mirroring aspect often defines them - They are exceptionally good at presenting just what the guy concerned wants to see. > > And you are making plausible explanations/excuses for her - This is another sign of someone responding to a cluster-B in the classic form and again, if a girl is really attracted, she won’t be making any excuses. > > I don’t go for particularly conventional women and my ex completely reinvented herself from her previous two LTR’s and gave me just what I thought I wanted and for the next guy, she did it again - from one extreme of crisp/professional businesswoman to outdoorsy/laid-back/informal for me and the perfect prim churchgoing housewife for her next victim - and she put that poor sod through **three complete** sets of wedding plans, which must have cost him thousands in cancellation fees each time she changed her mind. Be glad your one is just blowing hot and cold over dates/sex! 😮 My generation is known as “The Narcissistic Generation.” Older generations LOVE reminding us. But, then again, it’s hard not to be because, as a generation, we are, perhaps, at the largest gap from our previous generation (we are much more intelligent). I have had people look at me like confused puppies when I say things like, “I’m the shit, but you are too…you just may not realize it yet.” One of my former roommates (who, ironically, we aren’t friends with anymore because he started dating a girl that was hitting on me, rejected by me, and THEN went for him, and this girl is a mutual friend of the girl I talk about in this thread) thinks I’m facetious when I say things like “I’m the shit…but so are you.” He and I got into a heated debate. Funny thing is, perhaps it was four months later, he text messages me out of the blue and says, “HOLY SHIT I know what you mean with ‘we are all the shit.’ It makes a lot of sense.” My narcissism goes hand in hand with my humanism. ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2014, 9:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055/52 "2014-02-10T21:33:01Z")
> [@GorchFock](#): > > Lakerdude, I’d like to advice you to carefully reread your entire post. I think you delude yourself in trying to deny the ladie’s issues. What you do is ironically the very thing you just described: “_but he said I put myself on a pedestal and try to bring everyone else up with me_” > > Assuming this “diagnosis” is reasonably justified, then what you do would fit the glove. You’re seriously attracted to this girl, and that’s why she _has_ to be, in your mind, something special, greatly talented, while at the same time, very bullshit-free. Anyhing less would’nt do for a narcist. > That’s why some narcistic people try to “bring everyone else up” - I guess “everyone” in this case means friends and family, ppl that are close to you or matter to you - cause they could’nt stand to be related to or associated with lesser, mediocre, boring etc. beings. > > I don’t argue that she is all that - talented, smart, charming, delightful. > She’s propably outstanding in many respects. And empathy is not a contradiction to narcism - it can be a way to fuel it. > > _"but she LOVES when people call her brilliant or people tell her that she’s awesome. She told me she isn’t too proud of this. Her life goal is to win an Emmy, and she told me the song “Applause” by Lady Gaga is the theme song for her life_" > > Now that is inconsistency isn’t it? > Everybody likes praise and recognition. But what you describe is no healthy way to deal with it. It’s pretense. To lust for fame and fortune, but be embarrassed by attention? Hardly. It’s fishing for compliments, but pathologically. Another way how she tries to manipulate others. > And her life goal seems a bit immature, to say the least. But granted, how old was she? > > Everthing said should of course be taken with a grain of salt. After all, you know her best. But tread carefully there. Go out and have fun, try to attain dominance or balance in the constellation and let it flow I somewhat agree with you on the “fishing for compliments” thing. She does SEEM like the type of girl that only likes genuine compliments, but I do see her string along A LOT of guys (even currently) that are constantly trying to impress her. I do strongly believe I am one of her “top two” guys. If you go on her Facebook, her posts are “liked” and commented on by the same batch of dudes. I make sure that I never respond to her on Facebook posts or anything of the like (I leave that to the AFCs). I’ve worked very hard to make her believe that if it doesn’t work out between the both of us or she puts me in the permanent “friendzone” that I am going to drop her out completely. I want her SO badly, but I don’t NEED her. And, frankly, I’m a very good looking guy. She’s very obviously aware of this. In public she gets very flustered around me. Perhaps as this conversation goes along, a better picture would be colored of her and my relationship with her. For example, a couple of months ago, we got into a little fight where she said I’m way too presumptuous. It turned out to be a misunderstanding, but I was ready to just walk away from our “relationship” (very careful not to call it a friendship). She didn’t seem to like that. Also, when I got “friend-zoned” the first time around (personally, I think she freaked out and friend-zoned me out of fear of getting too close…I always thought she liked me), I told her I didn’t want to take her out to the haunted house (she was really excited for it) because we are on two different pages (she saw us as ‘just friends,’ I saw her as a potential girlfriend). I’ve even spoken to her about other girls. I’m pretty honest about this. I told her a girl was talking to me and was trying to hang out with me, but I was unsure. I could sense the jealousy in the air coming from her. I even told her a silly story about when I visited Spain 7 years ago, my friends and I met these girls from Minnesota in our hotel, and I pretended like I was a Venezuelan college student, and they all wanted me to go “hang out” with them at 2 in the morning. Her response to that was something like, “so when you get drunk, you just flirt with everybody, huh?” I told her about how her freshman year (before she and I knew each other), I was trying to hook up with one of her former best friends when we were REALLY drunk, and she cockblocked me. Her response was, “hey, you didn’t want a venereal disease, did you?” She’s a competitive girl. VERY competitive. As am I. I think we are both jealous people. Thing is, I’ve been VERY careful not to show it. Even before the first time we hooked up, I was casually talking about a girl on a forum that she and I are both a part of, and she started talking about guys VERY shortly after. I know these sound like “games,” but they really aren’t. After the “friendzone,” I tried to make her a “friend,” and that ended with me telling her that I want it all or nothing. I told her that I can’t “hang out” with her unless it’s in the context of a date that is the means to the end that is sex and/or a second date. The fact that SHE asked ME to take her out makes me think she is ready to go out on a date with me. Now that we are going on a date Wednesday, I’m refraining from talking to her. I’ve made the mistake of talking heavily to a girl right before a date, and it was as if we had NOTHING to talk about come date night. I disagree with you on her life goal being “immature.” The girl has a 3.7 GPA in English at an ivy league school, she lives in Manhattan, and has HUGE connects at Comedy Central and USA – and that’s only the connects I’m aware of. She likes the accolades, but hates the attention that comes with the accolades. She’s an incredibly private person. We spoke about marriage proposals once, and I remember her telling me that if she REALLY liked the guy and he proposed to her in a public setting, she’d be forced to say ‘no.’ She is the type to have hundreds of awards and accolades, but you wouldn’t know unless you ran a search for her. ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 3:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055/53 "2014-02-11T03:06:32Z")
> [@Mrdimes](#): > > oh my lord. You actually believe shes different? Wow. You should know better. I’ve read your journal before and im supriseded you fucked girls with this mentality. Pheros might’ve helped you big time. > > Listen to what mobo and himeros are saying. They know what the fuck they’re talking about. The way you type your text reminds of the way “nice guys” type. Usually the only girls “nice guys” get are cluster B’s. You said she’s not bipolar. You don’t know that and doesn’t mater if she is. She could be histronic. Based on the fact you dimissed are help shows me you didn’t even look up what cluster B is. > > Listen up bruh. She is playing with you at the moment. > > Listen to mobo. Also, I have to say, all the guys that hit on her are the types of guys that are not perceived as “nice guys,” and she ends up turning them all down while laughing at them and they usually have no idea what just happened (she has “fun” while turning down these so called “bad boys”). Before I started looking her and barely knew her, I saw her do this regularly (we have mutual friends). Looking at the last few guys she has gotten with, they are actually nerdy “nice guys.” I can’t think of a single “bad boy” she has gotten with. Frankly, I think I’m the “baddest” guy that has even gotten a chance. I think that’s the BIGGEST problem with The Game. The Game works on the “WOOOOOO” girl that formulaic approaches WOULD work on. To make a formula to approach in a nightclub for a one night stand is one thing, but to think that EVERY single girl fits a formula is rather ignorant and unintelligent. Girls are people, and people are complex. When I want to fuck a girl just to get my dick wet, I find the type of girl that The Game WOULD work on and play the bored “bad boy.” That’s how I “fuck girls.” I’m not looking JUST to fuck this girl though BECAUSE she is more valuable than those “WOOOOOO” girls and the formula to get her isn’t as simplistic as “do a, then b, then c, and act this way” like it is with the type of girl I think you think this one is like. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2014, 3:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055/54 "2014-02-11T03:43:47Z")
> [@lakerman34](#): > > I somewhat agree with you on the “fishing for compliments” thing. She does SEEM like the type of girl that only likes genuine compliments, but I do see her string along A LOT of guys (even currently) that are constantly trying to impress her. Thank you. I’ve been waiting for you to say something like this. Bud, she’s not going to settle down. She’s not going to “choose you”. She’s hedging. She’s nicely padded with all the forms of emotional validation that she wants, and she’s very comfortable. You have your role, and she’s happy keeping you in it. You bring her excitement and drama, and enough connection to make it safe. She knows she could have you at any time, and she enjoys creating this aloof tension with you. She’s playing games. And so are you. And you both like it. She’s not “the one”, she’s not your “soul mate”. The only way that she’s “perfect for you” is if your needs are met by teasing, emotional highs, and then frustration again. I know you’re enjoying the chase, but this will never stop being a chase. Exactly what you have right now is what she is to you. Yes, they are. They are games. ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 12:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055/55 "2014-02-12T00:16:34Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Phero-wise, I’d consider a status/emotionally engaging signature as well, A314/IH/P74 and a little TUTH for underlying sexuality. > > Then as the date goes-on, and she goes deeper, ramp-up the TUTH till you get results, **either way**. > > IS might also provide suitable feelgood steering. Just took all these mones out, they are ready to go. But might all of these be too much? I’m thinking about spraying the TUTH on a cotton ball and dabbing it on my chest. A single drop of A314 spread out on wrists and behind ears, IS on one side of neck, 2xIH on other side, and [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) to the chest as well. I think I’ll do one spray of each. These are the dosages. TUTH TO-GO 5mcg. IShine TO-GO Double Strength IH TO-GO P74 10mcg My goal for the night is if I don’t get a second date, at least get ridiculous sex. I also want to make sure that I feel awake and smooth. As soon as I hop out of the shower and apply the TUTH, I think I’m going to mark the time so that three hours later, I can re-apply a full spray of TUTH. Just hit her with full on TUTH. This will work nicely b/c we’ll probably be in the movie theater, and I can excuse myself to the bathroom. ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 12:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055/56 "2014-02-12T00:27:47Z")
> [@Miss\_Dragon](#): > > Thank you. I’ve been waiting for you to say something like this. > > Bud, she’s not going to settle down. She’s not going to “choose you”. She’s hedging. She’s nicely padded with all the forms of emotional validation that she wants, and she’s very comfortable. You have your role, and she’s happy keeping you in it. You bring her excitement and drama, and enough connection to make it safe. She knows she could have you at any time, and she enjoys creating this aloof tension with you. She’s playing games. And so are you. And you both like it. She’s not “the one”, she’s not your “soul mate”. The only way that she’s “perfect for you” is if your needs are met by teasing, emotional highs, and then frustration again. I know you’re enjoying the chase, but this will never stop being a chase. Exactly what you have right now is what she is to you. > > Yes, they are. They are games. They really are games, I’ll give you that, but I disagree with you completely on the fact that I’m DEFINITELY stuck on where I am at now. My ex was the girly girl that played games, but still liked to play video games and watch sports. I’m not saying a “tom boy” in that regard. She is REALLY confused when it comes to romantic relationships. She tells me she thinks it’s funny when her younger brother gets in fights with his girlfriend. That’s because she’s jealous because she DOESN’T have a boyfriend. Her relatives even think she may be a lesbian (she told me she deals with this too…my parents, I’m pretty sure, think I’m gay because they mentally still live in the year 2000 BCE). One of her best friends liked her (and she liked him) for the LONGEST time, but it never happened because she made herself too much of a bro (this is one of the reasons why I didn’t have sex with her – I sensed she still really liked him). I’m not trying to necessarily defend or make excuses for her. I just think you guys are misinterpreting how she is in your heads, and I just lack the words to describe her so you guys could have an ‘aha’ moment. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 12:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055/57 "2014-02-12T00:42:16Z")
> [@lakerman34](#): > > Just took all these mones out, they are ready to go. > > But might all of these be too much? > > I’m thinking about spraying the TUTH on a cotton ball and dabbing it on my chest. A single drop of A314 spread out on wrists and behind ears, IS on one side of neck, 2xIH on other side, and P74 to the chest as well. I think I’ll do one spray of each. These are the dosages. > > TUTH TO-GO 5mcg. > IShine TO-GO Double Strength > IH TO-GO > P74 10mcg > > My goal for the night is if I don’t get a second date, at least get ridiculous sex. I also want to make sure that I feel awake and smooth. > > As soon as I hop out of the shower and apply the TUTH, I think I’m going to mark the time so that three hours later, I can re-apply a full spray of TUTH. Just hit her with full on TUTH. This will work nicely b/c we’ll probably be in the movie theater, and I can excuse myself to the bathroom. Don’t put [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) on the chest - it will get lost and I’d get the TUTH-up where it can diffuse, not lose most of it to the cotton wool. Now is not a time to be coy with your pheros! ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 2:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055/58 "2014-02-12T02:33:11Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Don’t put P74 on the chest - it will get lost and I’d get the TUTH-up where it can diffuse, not lose most of it to the cotton wool. > > Now is not a time to be coy with your pheros! OK to spray pheros on top of each other? I only have a limited amount of “hot spots.” (A314 going on wrists and behind ears, IShine right where chin meets neck, TUTH to left side of neck, P74 to right, perhaps 2 sprays of IH to the chest?) I also think too much “status” [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) will throw her off. I find she tends to feel very intimidated by authority. I want to make her comfortable enough to talk to me, but uncomfortable with the fact that she can’t stop herself from getting soaked, and she has no idea why (“must be lakerman”). How about this: 2 sprays P74 10mcg to right neck 1 spray dabbed on cotton TUTH to right neck 1 spray IShine 2X to center neck 2 sprays IH to chest 1 drop A314 spread on wrists and behind ears I fear that all of these 'mones come off as either too aggressive or ghost effect. She has told me that I am a rather intimidating person already. I must stress that the point of tomorrow night isn’t pheromone experimentation, but rather to bed this girl and/or, at the very least, get a second date. Also, wouldn’t these mones all be sending different signals and, thus, confusing her? A mix I’d probably use if I didn’t consult this forum would be: 1 spray P83 5mcg behind each ear 2 sprays IH to right neck 1 “cotton” spray TUTH to left neck 2-3 sprays IShine 2X to center neck I think the P83 would overall strengthen the mix, and the IShine and IH would sort of “soften” the aggressiveness of TUTH while still keeping the sexual notes up. ---
**Author:** ![GorchFock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/90ced4/32.png) [@GorchFock](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GorchFock)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 4:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055/59 "2014-02-12T16:51:40Z")
> [@lakerman34](#): > > OK to spray pheros on top of each other? I only have a limited amount of “hot spots.” (A314 going on wrists and behind ears, IShine right where chin meets neck, TUTH to left side of neck, P74 to right, perhaps 2 sprays of IH to the chest?) > > I also think too much “status” pheromone will throw her off. I find she tends to feel very intimidated by authority. I want to make her comfortable enough to talk to me, but uncomfortable with the fact that she can’t stop herself from getting soaked, and she has no idea why (“must be lakerman”). > > How about this: > 2 sprays P74 10mcg to right neck > 1 spray dabbed on cotton TUTH to right neck > 1 spray IShine 2X to center neck > 2 sprays IH to chest > 1 drop A314 spread on wrists and behind ears > > I fear that all of these 'mones come off as either too aggressive or ghost effect. She has told me that I am a rather intimidating person already. I must stress that the point of tomorrow night isn’t pheromone experimentation, but rather to bed this girl and/or, at the very least, get a second date. Also, wouldn’t these mones all be sending different signals and, thus, confusing her? > > A mix I’d probably use if I didn’t consult this forum would be: > 1 spray P83 5mcg behind each ear > 2 sprays IH to right neck > 1 “cotton” spray TUTH to left neck > 2-3 sprays IShine 2X to center neck > > I think the P83 would overall strengthen the mix, and the IShine and IH would sort of “soften” the aggressiveness of TUTH while still keeping the sexual notes up. TUTH shouldn’t feel to aggressive with all those socials to flank it. Would propose min. 1 full spray without the cotton-dabbing. Add another later when the evening progressed. Perhaps be more sparingly with use of [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) - can be too comfortable/friendly as in friendzone 😮 … and keep IH farther away from your nostrils! Apart from that, selection of mones is great for the ocasion. But I really think you need that TUTH to set the sexual tone. 1 drop of A314 sholuld not be too offseeting/intimidating along the IS, 74, IH but useful to not come over as too available. 1-2 drop A314 wrists/ behind ears 1-2 IS to center neck / on hair … 1 on chin/neck for your “nose” maybe 1 spray IH to each wrist 1 Tuth to neck 1 p74 10 mcg to neck other side additional TUTH and p83 for disinhibiting when it feels right later on? Good luck and much fun dude. Make her feel like she’d miss out on the greatest guy on earth if she does’nt go for you 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![lakerman34](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lakerman34/32/1663_2.png) [@lakerman34](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lakerman34)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2014, 6:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055/60 "2014-02-12T18:11:34Z")
> [@GorchFock](#): > > TUTH shouldn’t feel to aggressive with all those socials to flank it. Would propose min. 1 full spray without the cotton-dabbing. Add another later when the evening progressed. Perhaps be more sparingly with use of P74 - can be too comfortable/friendly as in friendzone 😮 … and keep IH farther away from your nostrils! > Apart from that, selection of mones is great for the ocasion. But I really think you need that TUTH to set the sexual tone. 1 drop of A314 sholuld not be too offseeting/intimidating along the IS, 74, IH but useful to not come over as too available. > > 1-2 drop A314 wrists/ behind ears > 1-2 IS to center neck / on hair … 1 on chin/neck for your “nose” maybe > 1 spray IH to each wrist > 1 Tuth to neck > 1 p74 10 mcg to neck other side > > additional TUTH and p83 for disinhibiting when it feels right later on? > > Good luck and much fun dude. Make her feel like she’d miss out on the greatest guy on earth if she does’nt go for you 🆒 Thanks! I’m going for broke. This is what I’m wearing EXACTLY as you have it here! [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055.md?page=2) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/date-night-long-time-coming/61055.md?page=4)