# DavekianT's intro thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Introductions - New Users, Say "Hello"!\ **Created:** [October 2, 2009, 2:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/davekiants-intro-thread/32952 "2009-10-02T02:42:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![DavekianT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7feea3/32.png) [@DavekianT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DavekianT)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 2:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/davekiants-intro-thread/32952/1 "2009-10-02T02:42:20Z")
Hey guys, I’m a high school student who recently became interested in collecting lots of different colognes. In doing so, I have discovered a strange subset of pheromone-infused colognes. With further research, it has lead me here. When I become intrigued by a subject, I will generally search for an online forums, as they seem to allow much more input by a whole lot of different people. Thus, you get the least biased opinion possible. In my online browsing, I’ve come across a whole lot of different phero-colognes. However, no product has been discussed more often than Androtics products. Surely, this must mean that they’re doing SOMETHING right. However, I haven’t tried out any pheromone products yet, but I think I almost learned enough to make my first order. However, there are a few things that are quite confusing. I’m looking for some social-type pheromones, and so I think I should get instant shine and instant openness. Are these products scented in any way? I guess I consider myself a cologne aficionado and I wouldn’t want these products to clash with my cologne choice of the day. It would be a huge problem for me, thus the choice in avoiding AMMO, even though it seems highly recommended on this site. Second of all, the “advanced” pheromones throw me off. While the normal ones have names that kind of convey the effect they have, the advanced ones don’t, they just have some letters and numbers. Thus, it’s hard to find out exactly what each one does. Can anyone recommend me any [advanced pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/product-category/advanced-pheromones/)? Oh, about myself and why I came here…I’m a high school student from Dallas. I guess you could consider me a typical gamer kid; I play Warcraft with my buddies after school. (Who does homework? its just high school, haha) On the weekends, our group generally goes to the mall, eat out, and hang out at one of my friends’ places to play basketball or football. I’m interested in pheromones because I find it very hard to befriend new people. When my friends introduce me to their friends whom I don’t know yet and then we go hang out, for some reason I don’t like to talk to them at all, instead I just talk to the people that are in my “circle”. I guess I feel like I don’t know them well enough to just shoot the shit with a random person. Perhaps pheromones will help me in this area. ---
**Author:** ![jamesbonded](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jamesbonded/32/2090_2.png) [@jamesbonded](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesbonded)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 4:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/davekiants-intro-thread/32952/2 "2009-10-02T16:13:44Z")
HI there, Welcome to the forum. The advanced product is for experienced users. These products are under testing. I would recommend IO, Shine and IH to you. IO will make people want to talk to you. It gives you an edge to befriend people as people will find you are approachable. IH will make them talk to you deeper and longer lasting. They will think they have known you for long time. SHine will make you feel good. People around you will also in lighter mood. Good luck ---
**Author:** ![MuskCloud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f07891/32.png) [@MuskCloud](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MuskCloud)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 4:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/davekiants-intro-thread/32952/3 "2009-10-02T16:39:40Z")
> [@DavekianT](#): > > I’m looking for some social-type pheromones, and so I think I should get instant shine and instant openness. Are these products scented in any way? Most of the Instant line is scented with neroli, a citrus orange kind of smell. > [@](#): > > Second of all, the “advanced” pheromones throw me off. While the normal ones have names that kind of convey the effect they have, the advanced ones don’t, they just have some letters and numbers. No-one knows for certain what the MXs and putatives do. The putatives are molecules that are believed to be pheromones or have pheromone-like effects. They could be dead ends or have no real purpose. Androtics releases them into the community for testing in the real world. If they are interesting, they may be promoted to MX status, given ‘pheromone’ status and eventually become part of the standard lineup. When you have ‘reporting user’ status, you are considered advanced enough to be able to use these mixes. You’ll qualify for a discount on the advanced mixes too. [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) and Openness will be ideal for your situation, I think. Welcome to the forum. Musk ---
**Author:** ![Kelsey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kelsey/32/8468_2.png) [@Kelsey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kelsey)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 5:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/davekiants-intro-thread/32952/4 "2009-10-02T17:11:26Z")
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**Author:** ![reddog](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reddog/32/2091_2.png) [@reddog](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/reddog)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 5:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/davekiants-intro-thread/32952/5 "2009-10-02T17:12:31Z")
Instant Shine and [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) play very well together and tend to get everyone in a socializing mood. Welcome and good luck. ---
**Author:** ![Reclipse](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reclipse/32/773_2.png) [@Reclipse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reclipse)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 5:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/davekiants-intro-thread/32952/6 "2009-10-02T17:32:50Z")
Hey there, I have not found the instant line scent (neroli) to come in conflict with any colognes I’ve used. Neroli itself is a great scent (to me) and I tend to wear most of my pheros with no cover. That being said, once the [pheromones](https://a314.com/) dry down the scent is normally lighter. If you cover with something that has a good silage it should help to diffuse the pheros to a larger area thus making your ‘cloud’ much more effective Anyways.. good luck with your testing and keep us update. The Men’s forum is great for asking questions and posting up results. A lot of us keep journal’s in the journal section also… helps to keep things tracked so you can look back and chart your progress. ---
**Author:** ![DavekianT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7feea3/32.png) [@DavekianT](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DavekianT)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 8:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/davekiants-intro-thread/32952/7 "2009-10-02T20:26:21Z")
Would you guys suggest using A314 in my situation? It seems a lot more expensive than the Instant- type pheromones. There are many postive posts about it, but would I get a similar effect, say, with [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/)? Also, I just saw the come talk to me mix 2, and it seems like it would be perfect in my situation. But, I read that you could get nearly the same effects with openness and shine. Should I go with the come talk to me, or the two openness and shine? ---
**Author:** ![Reclipse](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reclipse/32/773_2.png) [@Reclipse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reclipse)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2009, 9:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/davekiants-intro-thread/32952/8 "2009-10-02T21:31:27Z")
> [@DavekianT](#): > > Would you guys suggest using A314 in my situation? It seems a lot more expensive than the Instant- type pheromones. There are many postive posts about it, but would I get a similar effect, say, with Instant Gentleman? > > Also, I just saw the come talk to me mix 2, and it seems like it would be perfect in my situation. But, I read that you could get nearly the same effects with openness and shine. Should I go with the come talk to me, or the two openness and shine? Because of your age I’d advise to go with [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) instead of the A314. It will still give you a more alpha type vibe.. dependable, masculine, without putting others off too much. It does contain androsteron which is the main pheromone found in A314, but buffered quite a bit more. It gives you the aura of a dominant male who’s good with people (IG) as opposed to being a very high status Alpha. The CTTM mix is pretty much the 2 main compounds of IO and IH, just in a 1:1 ratio. Openness is 70:30 alphanol/betanol and Honesty is 70:30 betanol/alphanol. I think the concentrations may be a bit higher in CTTM though than in the 2 separate products. My suggestion would be to start with the instant line first… then maybe work up to the A314. Good luck