# Day 30: Singles Night Report:P **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 19, 2009, 4:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/day-30-singles-night-report-p/26273 "2009-02-19T16:28:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 4:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/day-30-singles-night-report-p/26273/1 "2009-02-19T16:28:26Z")
Hello to all my phero buddies, friends & others in Pherotalk, i got a new Day 30 report ready as it was overdue btw:o So read on it & tell me what do you think about it in your opinion. Here it is as listed below so enjoy it out: Date: 13 February 2009 Location: The Arena(It is a club) The Pheromones that was used for Day 30 & how much of it was used: 2 drops of A314, 3 of MX292, 3 of [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), 2 of Instant Shine 4X & 1 of P83(25MCG) \> **Mr Feel Good Recommendation combo 🙂** Report: I was going to this singles night party event just to have some fun & to learn some new experiences there. So i wear the pheros that i stated above & went there. Note: this singles night party event motive was the guys must do their very best to get to know the girls to get their drink coupons 😉 Ok when i reach there, i just signed in my particulars to the people involved in the event & went in & i was shocked well the singles party event have more guys than girls & it is like a battlefield out there (guys are trying their best in their game to the girls). Some of the guys that i see are PUAs who are trying to work their game there with the girls & the other normal guys are trying their best to get to know the ladies but majority of the guys just stand there & have their drink & don’t dare to approach. I just get my drink & relax myself against a pillar & just scan the place fully before i can work my game there. I then met a guy which after some short talk he introduced me to his lady friend which then led to some more chat. Btw she was rated 7-8 in my taste. After chatting with her, i eventually got her number without much hesistation from her. I was very casual & relaxed at that time. Btw she keep looking at me when i was not looking. Also i got a drink coupon from her too 🙂 Well after chatting with her & getting her number, i proceed to try my game with other girls. Well i did failed to get some of the girls attention but i never give up. So i keep on trying & got a coupon from a girl which is quite hot & i went to get my drink & i went back to see her but she was gone well tough luck 😛 I tried my game with another group of girls which i end up chatting with them & drinking with them but none of them were interested in me from what i can tell by my instinct & i knew my game was not good. My chat with them end up with them saying goodbye to me which kinda sucks ☹ I just continue having my drink & then i saw a hot girl(which i give her a rating of 8.5 in my taste) approaching a guy then i just continue looking at her & she look at me in a friendly way which i approach her with my game & we have a chat there. After that she ask me to join her & her friends to a club which i say ok why not as i want to have some fun there. So she & her friends & another guy went out the party venue club & then she & her friends have a short discussion i think to plan to go to which club. Well eventually it turn out her friends want to chill out at a cafe so all of us proceeded to the cafe. While walking to the cafe i have a short chat with the girl & she was smiling when we were talking. When we reached the cafe, it was full so we have to wait for the table to be available for us so i have a chat with her that led to me getting her number there without much hesistation from her 🙂 After that we were informed that our table is ready so we went to seat at the table & have some beers & fried calamaris. We played a game of Truth or Dare & have fun there with drinking beers & eating fried calamaris. Then after nearly 2 hours, we decided to go back even though i was planning to stay up some more so all of us said our goodbyes & went back home. I planned to call her & meet her again if i can as i got her number. I will be going for more of these singles party events soon. So that’s the end of my report so what do you guys think about it? Feel free to tell anything about it. Thanks & see you 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 4:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/day-30-singles-night-report-p/26273/2 "2009-02-19T16:40:35Z")
Heya Phatsounds, this is a great report. Sounds like you had a lot of fun and good going on getting the numbers. Mr. Feelgood’s combo has a lot of [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) but it seems like a balanced mix. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 5:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/day-30-singles-night-report-p/26273/3 "2009-02-19T17:33:02Z")
Ditto to what the Ren-Meister said - a lot of pheros but it seems balanced. Maybe too balanced … sometimes its nice to have one little jagged edge showing. ---
**Author:** ![Omegabyte](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/46a35a/32.png) [@Omegabyte](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Omegabyte)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 11:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/day-30-singles-night-report-p/26273/4 "2009-02-19T23:43:32Z")
Hi Phatsounds, Great report. I had really good luck last weekend with 3 drops A314, 1 spray [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) 4x, and four sprays MX292. Close to your mix, but no IFM nor P83. If you have the opportunity, give that mix a try. ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2009, 11:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/day-30-singles-night-report-p/26273/5 "2009-02-19T23:59:30Z")
Great report. And good job getting phone numbers at the singles’ event. It sounds like you had some competition there, but you won. Good luck on the next step, going on a date with one (or more) of those girls whose phone numbers you got. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 1:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/day-30-singles-night-report-p/26273/6 "2009-02-20T01:00:25Z")
I don’t have any experience with mx292 so I can’t comment on the overall phero mix. What I’ll say is that I’m happy you had a good time. It’s about time, in contrast to all the other bad nights you’ve had. 🙂 Let us know what happens with those phone numbers. ---
**Author:** ![revivia](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/revivia/32/2124_2.png) [@revivia](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/revivia)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 7:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/day-30-singles-night-report-p/26273/7 "2009-02-20T07:39:07Z")
Great report my man…Next time I would suggest using MX292 with a touch of IH or IO and see what that does for you. 😃 Nice job with the ladies my friend. ---
**Author:** ![TanSri\_Dato\_aweSOME](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tansri_dato_awesome/32/320_2.png) [@TanSri\_Dato\_aweSOME](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TanSri_Dato_aweSOME)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 9:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/day-30-singles-night-report-p/26273/8 "2009-02-20T09:55:28Z")
Phat, Kinda like u got a couple of game going and good but do u feel south east asian although have the urge alot but tend to keep their feelings to themselves and restrain alot ? kinda like, > [@](#): > > Btw she keep looking at me when i was not looking Means she has or maybe already reacted to the phero but as a asian and asian keep alot of their emotion to themselve. Do u feel this kind of thing on gut or is that girl just looking on u for the sake of just looking on u ? ps: How’s IS 4x really really strong stuff and self effect or are u not getting that much self effect at all and or but others are getting ? ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 5:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/day-30-singles-night-report-p/26273/9 "2009-02-20T17:35:32Z")
> [@renny](#): > > Heya Phatsounds, this is a great report. Sounds like you had a lot of fun and good going on getting the numbers. Mr. Feelgood’s combo has a lot of pheromones but it seems like a balanced mix. Thanks buddy for your comments, i appreciate that & yeah Mr Feel Good combo seem like a balanced mix which is working there 😉 > [@bosshank](#): > > Ditto to what the Ren-Meister said - a lot of pheros but it seems balanced. Maybe too balanced … sometimes its nice to have one little jagged edge showing. Yup true like you said bosshank, a jagged edge showing is needed sometimes 🙂 > [@Omegabyte](#): > > Hi Phatsounds, > > Great report. I had really good luck last weekend with 3 drops A314, 1 spray Instant Shine 4x, and four sprays MX292. Close to your mix, but no IFM nor P83. If you have the opportunity, give that mix a try. Thanks Omegabyte for your comments & it is good that you have good results using a similar combo there 🙂 I will think about considering your mix there. > [@TheAttractor](#): > > Great report. And good job getting phone numbers at the singles’ event. It sounds like you had some competition there, but you won. Good luck on the next step, going on a date with one (or more) of those girls whose phone numbers you got. Thanks Attractor 🙂 Well you can say the competition was tough there but yeah i won 😉 Thanks for your well wishes on my next step in dating one of the girls there 🙂 > [@Phya](#): > > I don’t have any experience with mx292 so I can’t comment on the overall phero mix. > > What I’ll say is that I’m happy you had a good time. It’s about time, in contrast to all the other bad nights you’ve had. Let us know what happens with those phone numbers. My thanks buddy & yes it is about time i have a good time compared to all the bad nights i have encountered 🙂 And about the phone numbers, no problem, i will tell you guys later after i make my next step that is. > [@revivia](#): > > Great report my man…Next time I would suggest using MX292 with a touch of IH or IO and see what that does for you. Nice job with the ladies my friend. Thanks buddy, i appreciate my man 😃 Hmm, i will think of consider your combo mix too, thanks for the suggestion. ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2009, 5:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/day-30-singles-night-report-p/26273/10 "2009-02-20T17:54:56Z")
> [@TanSri\_Dato\_aweSOME](#): > > Phat, > > Kinda like u got a couple of game going and good but do u feel south east asian although have the urge alot but tend to keep their feelings to themselves and restrain alot ? > > kinda like, > > Means she has or maybe already reacted to the phero but as a asian and asian keep alot of their emotion to themselve. Do u feel this kind of thing on gut or is that girl just looking on u for the sake of just looking on u ? > > ps: How’s IS 4x really really strong stuff and self effect or are u not getting that much self effect at all and or but others are getting ? Well TanSri Dato’ aweSOME for your first question there, yes, it is true that southeast asian have a lot of urges but tends to keep their feelings to themselves & restrain a lot which i think due to the society & culture there 😉 And for your second question, i’m not sure about that but what i know is i noticed she keep looking at me when i’m not looking. That’s all, sorry i can’t answer that:o As for your last question, [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) 4X is strong stuff btw & yes it did give a big boost of confidence in me there & i noticed others are feeling it too based on their reactions toward me there 🙂 Thanks for your comments on my report there 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Eldros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/eldros/32/279_2.png) [@Eldros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Eldros)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 12:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/day-30-singles-night-report-p/26273/11 "2009-02-22T00:01:24Z")
Well, phat, it seems like your confidence levels are up and your results are showing it. But your hits seem to be strongly polarized, it’s either they’re rather cold and unresponsive to you, or they’re warm to you. One thing i’ve noticed is that you haven’t, or haven’t reported, any sexual hits. Try ‘fixing’ that if it’s what you’re aiming for (which it probably is, knowing that you’re a guy). Overall though, you have rather positive days 🙂. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 12:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/day-30-singles-night-report-p/26273/12 "2009-02-22T00:15:05Z")
> [@Eldros](#): > > Well, phat, it seems like your confidence levels are up and your results are showing it. But your hits seem to be strongly polarized, it’s either they’re rather cold and unresponsive to you, or they’re warm to you. One thing i’ve noticed is that you haven’t, or haven’t reported, any sexual hits. Try ‘fixing’ that if it’s what you’re aiming for (which it probably is, knowing that you’re a guy). Overall though, you have rather positive days 🙂. I concur, it sounds like you almost got it down right; just try messing around with different dosages and combos. However, the most important part is for you to get _yourself_ down just right. Just try to beef up your own natural social skills, along with the way you carry yourself and you’ll be doing even better in no time. Add that and some natural genuine confidence in yourself and you’ll be fine. From previous posts I’ve read it seemed to me like you’re a real downer at times, and a person who rather gives up too easily. I have a friend who is like that, and really his negativity isn’t getting him anywhere. So take that as a hint, and avoid negativity as much as possible. It will always be there, but YOU CAN tame it if you believe in yourself. ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 2:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/day-30-singles-night-report-p/26273/13 "2009-02-22T02:11:49Z")
I liked the part about never give up. If you follow El’s idea of a more sexual sort of hit, you might want to leave the [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) in the mix. It has been known to lower inhibitions. You’ve come a long way, my friend. Keep pushing forward. ---
**Author:** ![Bella](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bella/32/1738_2.png) [@Bella](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Bella)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 3:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/day-30-singles-night-report-p/26273/14 "2009-02-22T03:21:10Z")
Mmmm…beer…fried calamari…_and_…_TWO_ phone numbers?! 🙂 Sounds like you had a great night, Phat. I’m glad you had a good time. That was a very nice report. 😉 Bella ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 7:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/day-30-singles-night-report-p/26273/15 "2009-02-22T19:25:02Z")
> [@Eldros](#): > > Well, phat, it seems like your confidence levels are up and your results are showing it. But your hits seem to be strongly polarized, it’s either they’re rather cold and unresponsive to you, or they’re warm to you. One thing i’ve noticed is that you haven’t, or haven’t reported, any sexual hits. Try ‘fixing’ that if it’s what you’re aiming for (which it probably is, knowing that you’re a guy). Overall though, you have rather positive days. Yeah you are right buddy & thanks for your opinion there, appreciate it 🙂 Yes i got to fix on getting sexual hits there so thanks again 🙂 > [@mikotorocks714](#): > > I concur, it sounds like you almost got it down right; just try messing around with different dosages and combos. However, the most important part is for you to get _yourself_ down just right. Just try to beef up your own natural social skills, along with the way you carry yourself and you’ll be doing even better in no time. Add that and some natural genuine confidence in yourself and you’ll be fine. > > From previous posts I’ve read it seemed to me like you’re a real downer at times, and a person who rather gives up too easily. I have a friend who is like that, and really his negativity isn’t getting him anywhere. So take that as a hint, and avoid negativity as much as possible. It will always be there, but YOU CAN tame it if you believe in yourself. Yes that’s correct buddy & yes i got to beef up my social skills there & i’m sure with that, some high confidence & the pheros i will have much more success there 🙂 Yeah i agreed sometimes i’m a real downer & a guy who give up too easily buddy but i learned my lesson there. Now i intend to improve & change my way of thinking there & the aim not to give up no matter what. Thanks for your opinion there 🙂 > [@OoohYahhh](#): > > I liked the part about never give up. > > If you follow El’s idea of a more sexual sort of hit, you might want to leave the P83 in the mix. It has been known to lower inhibitions. > > You’ve come a long way, my friend. Keep pushing forward. Thanks buddy, appreciate your comment there 😃 Yes Eldros’s idea is a good idea which i will reconsider using it like not using [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) next time 😉 I will keep pushing forward no matter what my friend. > [@Bella](#): > > Mmmm…beer…fried calamari…_and_…_TWO_ phone numbers?! Sounds like you had a great night, Phat. I’m glad you had a good time. That was a very nice report. > > Bella Aww, thanks Bella that’s so sweet of you on your comments there 😉 I appreciate it very much 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/day-30-singles-night-report-p/26273/16 "2009-02-22T19:35:05Z")
> [@mikotorocks714](#): > > From previous posts I’ve read it seemed to me like you’re a real downer at times, and a person who rather gives up too easily. I have a friend who is like that, and really his negativity isn’t getting him anywhere. This is crucial. I have two memories regarding that. The first is of my friend coming back from a date. I think the guy took her out to Cheesecake factory or something, wasn’t the cheapest date or anything. The only thing she remarked about the date? “He was so boring, he just complained during the whole date.” That’s it. I never heard another word about him. Clearly, he struck out fast. Ever since then, I’ve been keeping an eye out for people that are constantly positive, and I notice that they have very good, active social lives. It doesn’t really matter what situation he is in, he’ll bring the energy and enthusiasm to make it fun for himself. The other is just of last night. I have a friend who, when challenged or playfully put down, will withdraw and ‘give up’. We were playing pool last night and my team was losing. I tried to encourage him, I talked shit to him, anything to get him into the game. He was waaay too preoccupied with his failures. It got to the point where he wasn’t even trying to play, he just wanted it to be over. When we asked him about it, he avoided the issue, acting like something really bad happened in his life. Normally I would have been concerned, but that’s just his foolproof way to withdraw into the background. So we had to let him alone. But his apathy, lack of energy, and his overall negativity really did not vibe well with us last night. We were to the point of getting angry at him giving up so easily. We would have preferred that he stood up and defended himself, regardless of how badly he was playing. As a side note, this is what women also get annoyed at ‘nice’ guys about. They are never willing to stand up and make waves. However, it’s not the making waves part that is important, it’s when that man can stand against the consequences of making those waves that is the most crucial. ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 7:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/day-30-singles-night-report-p/26273/17 "2009-02-22T19:37:44Z")
> [@Phya](#): > > This is crucial. I have two memories regarding that. The first is of my friend coming back from a date. I think the guy took her out to Cheesecake factory or something, wasn’t the cheapest date or anything. The only thing she remarked about the date? “He was so boring, he just complained during the whole date.” That’s it. I never heard another word about him. Clearly, he struck out fast. Ever since then, I’ve been keeping an eye out for people that are constantly positive, and I notice that they have very good, active social lives. It doesn’t really matter what situation he is in, he’ll bring the energy and enthusiasm to make it fun for himself. > > The other is just of last night. I have a friend who, when challenged or playfully put down, will withdraw and ‘give up’. We were playing pool last night and my team was losing. I tried to encourage him, I talked shit to him, anything to get him into the game. He was waaay too preoccupied with his failures. It got to the point where he wasn’t even trying to play, he just wanted it to be over. When we asked him about it, he avoided the issue, acting like something really bad happened in his life. Normally I would have been concerned, but that’s just his foolproof way to withdraw into the background. So we had to let him alone. > > But his apathy, lack of energy, and his overall negativity really did not vibe well with us last night. We were to the point of getting angry at him giving up so easily. We would have preferred that he stood up and defended himself, regardless of how badly he was playing. > > As a side note, this is what women also get annoyed at ‘nice’ guys about. They are never willing to stand up and make waves. However, it’s not the making waves part that is important, it’s when that man can stand against the consequences of making those waves that is the most crucial. True so true buddy, i have to agreed on that & thanks for sharing your opinion there 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 7:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/day-30-singles-night-report-p/26273/18 "2009-02-22T19:49:38Z")
Great report Phat. I am glad your spreading your wings and going to different events. I agree with Eldros your confidence levels are up. Keep up the good work. 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/day-30-singles-night-report-p/26273/19 "2009-02-22T20:09:31Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Great report Phat. I am glad your spreading your wings and going to different events. I agree with Eldros your confidence levels are up. Keep up the good work. 😉 > > Tisha My thanks for your comments Lady Tisha, i appreciate it very much 🙂 Eldros was right on he have said there 🙂 Well i will be going to more of the singles party events soon 😛😉 ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2009, 9:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/day-30-singles-night-report-p/26273/20 "2009-02-22T21:48:51Z")
> [@Phya](#): > > This is crucial. I have two memories regarding that. The first is of my friend coming back from a date. I think the guy took her out to Cheesecake factory or something, wasn’t the cheapest date or anything. The only thing she remarked about the date? “He was so boring, he just complained during the whole date.” That’s it. I never heard another word about him. Clearly, he struck out fast. Ever since then, I’ve been keeping an eye out for people that are constantly positive, and I notice that they have very good, active social lives. It doesn’t really matter what situation he is in, he’ll bring the energy and enthusiasm to make it fun for himself. > > The other is just of last night. I have a friend who, when challenged or playfully put down, will withdraw and ‘give up’. We were playing pool last night and my team was losing. I tried to encourage him, I talked shit to him, anything to get him into the game. He was waaay too preoccupied with his failures. It got to the point where he wasn’t even trying to play, he just wanted it to be over. When we asked him about it, he avoided the issue, acting like something really bad happened in his life. Normally I would have been concerned, but that’s just his foolproof way to withdraw into the background. So we had to let him alone. > > But his apathy, lack of energy, and his overall negativity really did not vibe well with us last night. We were to the point of getting angry at him giving up so easily. We would have preferred that he stood up and defended himself, regardless of how badly he was playing. > > As a side note, this is what women also get annoyed at ‘nice’ guys about. They are never willing to stand up and make waves. However, it’s not the making waves part that is important, it’s when that man can stand against the consequences of making those waves that is the most crucial. Exactly Phya. It pains me when I tell my friend to remain positive and he says that he will (or try to change,) but then doesn’t end up doing it. At least try! I know life is hard, but at least trying to make the best of it won’t hurt. As far as the nice guy part, I also agree with you. What I try to do is keep it even in those two aspects, with the majority trying to remain positive in my actions (or carefully planned actions.)