Day 5 of my Testing & Result (Final try at Nightclubs)

[PhatSounds]

@bubblebob

Hey PS!

Thanks for the PM! I’ve got a terrible headache today…

I’m pretty sure you overdid it with 3 sprays Turn Up The Heat - that most certainly is one of the reasons for the bitch shields. You know, Androstenone sends out a clear aggressive sexual message. Most of the girls are not really prepared to go that way with a total stranger - understandable, right? I think Turn Up The Heat is best towards people you already know, who trust you and who already are attracted to you. Sending a strong sexual message to a girl who doesn’t know you (after all you could be some weird freak or worse) won’t work in most cases.

The best way for getting to know girls (pheromone wise) is to tune down the sexual message - think one spray of Ammo (you don’t have to get rid of androstenone completely in the first phases, but it should be subtle). Use a good deal of social pheromones instead - Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, IS - who make it easier for the girls to open up to you. As soon as they’ve got to know you more and you’ve established a certain degree of comfort and rapport you can slowly (!) reintroduce the more sexual parts.

Of course there are instances when someone wears a ton of androstenone and practically gets raped in the backyard, but I’m pretty sure these occassions are very rare and will only happen with women who have a very open sexuality (and often are drunk as hell ). By using the socials first you’ll have more success and this success will include more of the emotionally stable women who are good dating and relationship ‘material’ (sorry, couldn’t think of a better term).

After all, that’s my opinion on the whole deal. There might be a several people on this board who have a contrary opinion. For me Androstenone is totally overrated - at least in the context of getting to know women (or people in general). In a relationship it’s a whole other deal!

@TX601drvr

Sorry to hear of your bad luck. I have been having incredible results with Ammo, IS and Instant Honesty. Invited a girl to have a drink with me last night and we ended up talking for over three hours. Part way thru the conversation I decided I wasn’t real interested in her but could not get away, she kept throwing IOI’s, touching me good eye contact, etc., but I was the one this time not into her. We’re both divorced, but with the effects of the pheromones (I think) she tells me that she left hubby #1 after an affair. After she tells me this she pauses and says “I don’t know why I just told you that!” (she was not drunk or high) and looked totally surprised.

I wouldn’t give up on the pheromones but keep experimenting like others with a lot more experience than I have advised.

Good luck to you.

My thanks to the both of you bubblebob & TX601drvr for your advices especially bubblebob advice Good one buddy How is your headache now? You take care ok? And yes rep for you for that advice

[PhatSounds]

@jayzee327

Hey Phatsounds, if you are worried about buildup, dont use none on days you plan on laying low. Plus ammo sounds better for u than Turn Up The Heat. You are only 23. On days you plan on laying low I would use your Instant Openness double strength and you should be fine. Most days I use either ammo, IS or Scent of Eros. IS is the best IMHO. I have terrible anger when driving, but with IS on it does not bother me.

Thanks for the advice jayzee & your recommendation on AMMO I wanted to get AMMO & ISx2 Strength in my second order turned out my credit card well, i guess i have to wait for now.

Anyway don’t mind i add you as my buddy here as they got a buddy system here in the forum

@tisha23

I dont sleep much, besides my husband woke me up when he was leaving for the track. Generally I get up around 3 AM yep even on my day off LOL . I like the quiet time when everyone is still sleeping.

Dont worry about day 5 Phat, we all have off days even when the mix we are wearing is a good one. Just keep at it and have fun with it.

Tisha

Hmm, now i understand why you are up early lady Tisha. That explain sometimes in the early morning i often see you replying to the threads here We are fortunate to have a dedicated person like you here

Yes i know all of us will have good & bad days that’s how things go around. I’m not bother about Day 5 but my credit card now I can’t order now which is a torture to me. I will continue using what i have now for future testing & have fun with it

[PhatSounds]

@zeph

Maybe for your next order you should try AMMO + Honesty x2 or x4. I find that AMMO works well with Asians as long as you don’t OD.

Keep in mind that even though we (Asians) produce less -none, that doesn’t mean that Asian females will be able to tolerate such a raw amount of -none. 3 sprays can be a lot. If you want a lot of sprays of -none, try AMMO as it’s buffered really well and the Honesty will create a sense of closeness. I think you’d be able to get away with 3 sprays of AMMO a lot better than Turn Up The Heat.

Thanks Zeph for your advice & yes i did want to order AMMO for my second order like you said but my credit card well i guess i have to wait for now & use what i got now. Thanks anyway buddy

@mockingbird

Looks like that you are very perseverant, which is great in testing new stuffs.

Hopefully you will be getting more and more good results very soon

You didn’t receive any results from using a ton of instant openness?? Not possible !!

Well buddy, it’s true 100%, i did not get much results from wearing six sprays of Instant Openness(Double Strength) Anyway thanks for wishing to get good results on my next result I really hope so..

[mark-in-dallas]

@PhatSounds

Day 5: Friday 2 May 2008(I didn’t go out the other days)
Pheromore used for Day 4 & how much it was used: A drop of A314,3 sprays of Turn Up The Heat & 6 sprays of Togo Instant Openness(Double Strength) > (I did the layering technique just let you know)

Gotta say I agree with Tisha, Bob and Jay. I think you’re overdoing it on TUTH (Androstenone) and agree that Ammo would be a better choice for an asian male of your age.

A314 contains None too, and I still think Instant Gentleman would be a better choice for you than A314.

If you really want to keep testing with A314 though, you need to take ownership of a club/place when you walk in the room. I.E., act like now that you’re there the parties really going to start!

And I’m sorry to hear about the nightclub thing, but that is going to be the easiest place to see reactions. The bitch sheilds are kind of a given, but with the right attitude and opening it’s usually pretty easy to get them to drop it.

[PhatSounds]

@mark-in-dallas

Gotta say I agree with Tisha, Bob and Jay. I think you’re overdoing it on Turn Up The Heat (Androstenone) and agree that Ammo would be a better choice for an asian male of your age.

A314 contains None too, and I still think Instant Gentleman would be a better choice for you than A314.

If you really want to keep testing with A314 though, you need to take ownership of a club/place when you walk in the room. I.E., act like now that you’re there the parties really going to start!

And I’m sorry to hear about the nightclub thing, but that is going to be the easiest place to see reactions. The bitch sheilds are kind of a given, but with the right attitude and opening it’s usually pretty easy to get them to drop it.

My thanks Mark for that advice Will check on it for reference I knew AMMO will be more suitable for me than Turn Up The Heat but i order Turn Up The Heat well mistakes do happened.

Well i can’t order now as my credit card hmm… well i guess i have to wait for now. Well i did try to act like take ownership of a club/place but it didn’t work out Remember i say about my old hangout nightclub Zouk that i say in my report, just to inform you i’m a VIP member there. So i did try to acting like you said there.

I know that nightclubs are the easiest places to see reactions but it didn’t work out for me. Well for the bitch shields, i did try my best with the right attitude & opening. But the girls here are hard with their bitch shields on. Anyway thanks again

[mark-in-dallas]

@PhatSounds

I know that nightclubs are the easiest places to see reactions but it didn’t work out for me. Well for the bitch shields, i did try my best with the right attitude & opening. But the girls here are hard with their bitch shields on. Anyway thanks again

Alright, here’s my top secret opener for overcoming the bitch shields in nightclubs. You are sworn to secrecy here, and sharing this information with anyone will subject you to civil prosecution and huge fines!

Walk up to a girl that is either not smiling or doesn’t appear to be having a lot of fun. And, I don’t care if she’s been smiling for hours, eventually she will not have a smile on her face.

When you are about 2 feet away, stop, crook your head to the left or right and act like you are trying to figure her out and as soon as she makes eye contact with you say “You know I bet if you tried really hard you could smile” Most girls, not all but most, will smile at this point. And before she has a change to say anything, you say “Wow, that really brightens your face up, you should try to keep it on. Have a great evening”. Then walk away!

Do not stay and try to strike up a conversation, and if she does tell her that you have to get back to your friends, get a drink, or anything else, and just wanted to stop by and try to cheer her up. But, walk away! And as you are Turning to leave tell her that you hope she has a great evening!

Wait 10 minutes then you can go back to her. As long as you got a smile on the first opener, she will be glad that you came back, and very open to talking to and getting to know you.

If she’s not smiling when you go back to her ask "What happened, you look like you’re back to (being bored / not having fun). She should smile again, then say "Hi I’m (Insert Name), what’s your name. After that it’s up to you.

[PhatSounds]

@mark-in-dallas

Alright, here’s my top secret opener for overcoming the bitch shields in nightclubs. You are sworn to secrecy here, and sharing this information with anyone will subject you to civil prosecution and huge fines!

Walk up to a girl that is either not smiling or doesn’t appear to be having a lot of fun. And, I don’t care if she’s been smiling for hours, eventually she will not have a smile on her face.

When you are about 2 feet away, stop, crook your head to the left or right and act like you are trying to figure her out and as soon as she makes eye contact with you say “You know I bet if you tried really hard you could smile” Most girls, not all but most, will smile at this point. And before she has a change to say anything, you say “Wow, that really brightens your face up, you should try to keep it on. Have a great evening”. Then walk away!

Do not stay and try to strike up a conversation, and if she does tell her that you have to get back to your friends, get a drink, or anything else, and just wanted to stop by and try to cheer her up. But, walk away! And as you are Turning to leave tell her that you hope she has a great evening!

Wait 10 minutes then you can go back to her. As long as you got a smile on the first opener, she will be glad that you came back, and very open to talking to and getting to know you.

If she’s not smiling when you go back to her ask "What happened, you look like you’re back to (being bored / not having fun). She should smile again, then say "Hi I’m (Insert Name), what’s your name. After that it’s up to you.

Thanks Mark for sharing your super top secret opener HaHa ok i will be sworn to secrecy here don’t worry but as long as this thread is viewed your top secret opener will be known throughout the forum. But seriously thanks for sharing bro. You have been helpful to me & i appreciate that I will keep your secret opener for reference.

One more thing just want to ask mark, i read one of the Tater posts & he say in his post that Instant Female Magic or Instant Honesty break down the bitch shields is it true? And I also read from Godhand post that he say Instant Sexiness A can bring down the bitch shields. Can explain your views on this?

P.S. Don’t mind explaining what do you mean “crook your head”?

[mark-in-dallas]

@PhatSounds

P.S. Don’t mind explaining what do you mean crook your head?

Tilt, as if you’re trying to figure her out.

And, I don’t care if my Androtics buddies know it. Their all cool anyway!

[PhatSounds]

@mark-in-dallas

Tilt, as if you’re trying to figure her out.

And, I don’t care if my Androtics buddies know it. Their all cool anyway!

Thanks mark, noted it down And yes all the Androtics guys are cool

[data4]

listening to Mark intently while scribbling in a notepad

-D4

[mark-in-dallas]

Thanks Jon. That line has worked over-and-over-and-over for me, and it’s pretty much my standard on approaching new girls! Try it, you’ll love it.

The smile line is just another corny pickup line to her, until you walk away, then she’s confused. When you come back you’ve caught her interest, cause you didn’t act like every other guy, and she’s ready to give you a chance.

Just take a look at my journal from last Thursday, Staurday, then again last night, and read what I had to say about Lala. And yah, that’s her real name. I wouldn’t normally give out a name out of respect, but she blew me off so f*#k her.

If it works 1/2 as well for you as it has for me, you’re hooked.

Ps: I’ve been using that line for 15 years, and in a nightclub environment, it’s the best line I’ve ever found! And nobody else uses anything like it cause their afraid to walk away, once they’ve tried to open a girl. That’s what makes it work!

[PhatSounds]

@mark-in-dallas

Thanks Jon. That line has worked over-and-over-and-over for me, and it’s pretty much my standard on approaching new girls! Try it, you’ll love it.

The smile line is just another corny pickup line to her, until you walk away, then she’s confused. When you come back you’ve caught her interest, cause you didn’t act like every other guy, and she’s ready to give you a chance.

Just take a look at my journal from last Thursday, Staurday, then again last night, and read what I had to say about Lala. And yah, that’s her real name. I wouldn’t normally give out a name out of respect, but she blew me off so f*#k her.

If it works 1/2 as well for you as it has for me, you’re hooked.

Ps: I’ve been using that line for 15 years, and in a nightclub environment, it’s the best line I’ve ever found! And nobody else uses anything like it cause their afraid to walk away, once they’ve tried to open a girl. That’s what makes it work!

Now i get it mark why you say your secret opener is GOLDEN

[Phya]

PhatSounds, most of the advice I have is already said at this point. Too much Turn Up The Heat was the culprit IMO. If you’re intent on continuing your tests with A314 and TUTH, I probably sound like a recording machine here, but socials, socials, socials. I highly recommend shine and honesty/openness. Seriously. It’ll make the A314 more fun to use I bet. I think one spray of TUTH and good buffering from shine and honesty (or openness if you perfer) will work as well. TUTH has some buffers in it as well, so as long as you keep it low and buffer with social pheromones, you should be fine. That way you get access to a larger range of pheromones while still being able to have toned down sexual vibes. A side benefit of having Shine and Honesty/Openness is that if you don’t want any -none in the mix, then just use Shine and Honesty, it’s a great combo as is, especially for school.

I’m sorry about your loss, hopefully you have enough pheromones to last until your next order.

[PhatSounds]

@Phya

PhatSounds, most of the advice I have is already said at this point. Too much Turn Up The Heat was the culprit IMO. If you’re intent on continuing your tests with A314 and Turn Up The Heat, I probably sound like a recording machine here, but socials, socials, socials. I highly recommend shine and honesty/openness. Seriously. It’ll make the A314 more fun to use I bet. I think one spray of TUTH and good buffering from shine and honesty (or openness if you perfer) will work as well. TUTH has some buffers in it as well, so as long as you keep it low and buffer with social pheromones, you should be fine. That way you get access to a larger range of pheromones while still being able to have toned down sexual vibes. A side benefit of having Shine and Honesty/Openness is that if you don’t want any -none in the mix, then just use Shine and Honesty, it’s a great combo as is, especially for school.

Thanks for your advice Phya & no you do not sound like a recording machine here. I know you recommend getting socials but the problem is if you read my report i can’t order for now due to my credit card loss. I’m stuck with what i have now. Anyway thanks for the concern there

Anyway i need your help here, i read one of the Tater posts & he say in his post that Instant Female Magic (Instant Female Magic Pheromone For Men – Comfort and Excite Her – Contains Androstadienone - Alpha A314) or Instant Honesty (Instant Honesty – Deep Relational Communication Pheromone – You Won’t Believe Your Ears! - Alpha A314) break down the bitch shields is it true? And I also read from Godhand post that he say Instant Sexiness A can bring down the bitch shields. Can explain your views on this?

I ask the Love Guru mark about this but haven’t get his reply yet so might as well ask your views here

[Phya]

Both are good for breaking down shields. Mostly because they both work to make others more comfortable, although each in its own way. I haven’t had any experience with Instant Sexiness A/B so I can’t directly comment on it, though from reports, it sounds like IS B would make the girls more soft than IS A.

[PhatSounds]

@Phya

Both are good for breaking down shields. Mostly because they both work to make others more comfortable, although each in its own way. I haven’t had any experience with Instant Sexiness A/B so I can’t directly comment on it, though from reports, it sounds like IS B would make the girls more soft than IS A.

Thanks for sharing your views Phya I really need to know that Rep on this

[mark-in-dallas]

@PhatSounds

I ask the Love Guru mark about this but haven’t get his reply yet so might as well ask your views here

Well I guess I missed the question somehow. I am far from a Guru, although somehow that’s twice today that somebody acknowledged my opinion/advice, and I just gotta say, it made me feel good!

I agree with everything Phya has said, and Tater is pretty much an undisputed authority around here too.

I think I’d suggest CTTM 2 over Insant Honesty though, as it’s equal parts Alsph and Beta Nols, which are the main compounds in Instant Honesty and Instant Openness, and I think that could be just the combination for you.

[PhatSounds]

@mark-in-dallas

Well I guess I missed the question somehow. I am far from a Guru, although somehow that’s twice today that somebody acknowledged my opinion/advice, and I just gotta say, it made me feel good!

I agree with everything Phya has said, and Tater is pretty much an undisputed authority around here too.

I think I’d suggest CTTM 2 over Insant Honesty though, as it’s equal parts Alsph and Beta Nols, which are the main compounds in Instant Honesty and Instant Openness, and I think that could be just the combination for you.

Thanks mark or i should say Love Guru mark for the recommendation there I will consider what you hare recommended there (CCTM2) I think for your vast experience & wise advices that you have given so far i must called you Love Guru Mark(LGM) What do you think? Are you ok with it?

[mark-in-dallas]

PhatSounds, really you can call me whatever you want! But, I am a modest kind of guy.

But, as long as you asked and just so we are clear, I do prefer “Undisputed King of Everything”

[PhatSounds]

@mark-in-dallas

PhatSounds, really you can call me whatever you want! But, I am a modest kind of guy.

But, as long as you asked and just so we are clear, I do prefer “Undisputed King of Everything”

Hmm, Undisputed King of Everything, ok mark what is the short form of it?