# Dbot's Pheromone Journal **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [December 4, 2010, 6:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727 "2010-12-04T06:29:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 3:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/41 "2010-12-17T15:35:29Z")
> [@1Alpha](#): > > An observation dbot, I gather that you have a ‘gentlemanly’ personality already… you likely had been getting respect like that pre-mones. Ah, yes, okay, I follow you. So if I’m already acting the part and getting acknowledged for it then the hits would be very subtle indeed. Last night after I posted, I actually remembered one fairly subtle effect that I had noticed at the time and then forgotten about: an increased zone of personal space. Several times during my shopping trip, I had people feeling skittish about moving through my area. There were exaggerated "excuse me"s in a very respectful way, not in the bitchy way, and also people really holding back and being careful not to bump into me when there was obviously enough room for them to pass. The most blatant of these was in a Barnes & Noble. I was looking at the rack of specially bound printings of classics for gifts, with a good 3 feet between me and the rack. An older woman stopped dead in her tracks, nodded to get my attention, said “excuse me”, and kind of waited for my approval. I approved but didn’t move at all (I was already standing as far back as I could) and she ambled through with plenty of room to spare. I guess that counts as a respect hit? I think I was watching for people to be more interested in me with IG… I need to be paying attention to any random changes if I’m going to test these putatives effectively. I get ignored enough in this city; what products tend to get you guys noticed the most? ---
**Author:** ![Deja\_Vu](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/deja_vu/32/256_2.png) [@Deja\_Vu](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Deja_Vu)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 4:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/42 "2010-12-17T16:10:53Z")
Definitely respect hits. Seems like IG is working out for you! Ever since I started using mones, I have learned to become very aware of my surroundings. The hits are subtle because people might just glance at you for less than a second. The way I have learned whether or not it is a hit is that you have to make eye-contact with them. While walking around, you can sense that somebody is looking at you and when you look at them, they might pretend to look away. Maintain eye-contact. If the person looks up and looks at you again, it definitely is a hit. If they do not look at you/ignores you, then they might be just bored and looking around. That’s how I look at it when I wear my mones. The more veteran members might have other things to say. For me personally, IG gets me the most attraction-hits. Might just have to find your sweet spot! ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 4:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/43 "2010-12-17T16:47:21Z")
> [@PheroJack](#): > > Haha, I just knew it man! It’s 2008 LoveScent Edition. It’s not from AD and won’t work well, guaranteed. The only thing you could buy from LoveScent and has been recommended by some users here even, is A1. Leave the stuff you have aside for a while and substitute it with IG for now, till you get a proper A314 🙂. No one knows what’s in the stuff you have and how it will affect your experiences. Watch out from them younger girls though 😃. You may want to check your information before you post stuff like this. The 2008 LS edition was made by AD. Several and I mean several old posters here have remarked on how great this edition was. And A1 is not the only thing at LS that has been recommended from users on this forum. ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2010, 4:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/44 "2010-12-17T16:56:04Z")
> [@JosieW](#): > > You may want to check your information before you post stuff like this. The 2008 LS edition was made by AD. Several and I mean several old posters here have remarked on how great this edition was. And A1 is not the only thing at LS that has been recommended from users on this forum. I understand what you are saying, but there is definitely a reason why this company have been updating it to different version, or in another words, to match better with the current products. May be that version is better than the current A314 version when used by itself, but, in my opinion, it’s too old for it to be considered as effective when used with other products. And A1 is the product widely suggested by users from here to buy from Love-Scent since AD doesn’t carry it anymore. I could still be wrong.. and yes, don’t take everything I say to the heart. I’m just a tidy bit more experienced than newbies and don’t consider myself as a pro. 🙂 To dbot: IG is working for you. I seem to get that “sorry” from people when they are passing by even if they are far away from bumping into me. If you want to see more blatant hits and less intimidation, buffering it with IS and/or IH will just do it 🙂 If you want to be give out a “hot and sexy” vibe, [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) will help with that. ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 1:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/45 "2010-12-18T01:44:01Z")
This morning I had a meeting about some consulting work. It was a friend’s brother, and the friend has talked me up some, so I expected a pretty easy time of it. Of course, that didn’t stop me from administering: - 2xA314 - 2xIH The guy seemed to immediately trust and respect me, accepted all my advice pretty much unquestioningly, and I closed the deal for $1200 within the hour. 🙂 This mix has definitely got some power, but I did feel like it was lacking a little bit of sparkle. Maybe that’s why everyone likes to put IS in their mixes. I’ll have to try 2xA314 + 2xIH + 2xIS for my next meeting. I also want to get some more experience with IG over the next week, by itself and as a substitute for A314 in the above mix. I’m not sure which would be a better fit for my upcoming interviews, and the first one is just after Christmas! I wanted to test the putatives to see whether they’d be useful for the interviews, but I’m not sure I’ll end up having time! Hm… Friday night, wife is working… better go see what’s happening at the neighborhood bars… ---
**Author:** ![1Alpha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/1alpha/32/190_2.png) [@1Alpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/1Alpha)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 1:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/46 "2010-12-18T01:58:40Z")
> [@dbot](#): > > This morning I had a meeting about some consulting work. It was a friend’s brother, and the friend has talked me up some, so I expected a pretty easy time of it. Of course, that didn’t stop me from administering: > > - 2xA314 > - 2xIH > > The guy seemed to immediately trust and respect me, accepted all my advice pretty much unquestioningly, and I closed the deal for $1200 within the hour. 🙂 > > This mix has definitely got some power, but I did feel like it was lacking a little bit of sparkle. Maybe that’s why everyone likes to put IS in their mixes. I’ll have to try 2xA314 + 2xIH + 2xIS for my next meeting. > > I also want to get some more experience with IG over the next week, by itself and as a substitute for A314 in the above mix. I’m not sure which would be a better fit for my upcoming interviews, and the first one is just after Christmas! > > I wanted to test the putatives to see whether they’d be useful for the interviews, but I’m not sure I’ll end up having time! > > Hm… Friday night, wife is working… better go see what’s happening at the neighborhood bars… Good to hear that your combo smoothed things out with your client! [http://www.forumsextreme.com/images/sHa\_woot.gif](http://www.forumsextreme.com/images/sHa_woot.gif) A314 + IS + IH is my work combo, heavier on the socials on occasion lighter on the A314. If I’m meeting with some heavy hitters, CFO, CEO, IT Directors, etc, then the A314 is scaled up with IS and IH still present. Testing some combos for your evening jaunt as well, I hope? ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 2:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/47 "2010-12-18T02:15:46Z")
I’m torn between whether I should pherobomb some socials tonight and get that bar hopping, or whether I should start getting a feel for P97 by itself… So it’s between: - 2xIG - 2xIH - 4xIO - 3xIS and - 15-60mcg of P97 ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 6:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/48 "2010-12-18T06:35:30Z")
P97 = The Ghost of Christmas Future?? Honestly, I think this stuff is psychedelic. Tonight the wife was working, I’d had a great day and was in a great mood, so I figured I’d run out to a couple of the neighborhood bars and stir up trouble. I had a crisp new bottle of grapefruit P97 and a license to ill. So I spiked 30mcg of the stuff and headed out ready to make friends and influence people. A pheromone rush came over me something fierce. I live on the fourth floor, and by the end of the elevator ride I was literally laughing out loud. I thought this was going to be a fun and very social night. First stop was a clubby, fratty kind of place in my neighborhood. I needed some food so I ordered up a hippy-dippy salad full of broccoli and crap like that, along with a beer. Immediately a couple of hairdos squeeze in next to me, crying about one of them’s life falling apart. They’re the kind of girls who are a hit at the frat parties… not pretty enough to be really selective, but stubborn enough to keep up the act. The blond whose life is falling apart is the hotter of the two; looks like Paris Hilton with a hooknose and manhands. The brunette facing toward me looks a little like a mouseketeer version of Kelly Osbourne. I catch her eye and smile, and in return get a weird sort of hesitant, crumbling grimace. Hm. Not the reaction I was expecting. I sit there at the bar alone ignoring the olsen twins and drinking my beer, waiting for some opening to talk to anyone around me. To my right are a couple black dudes laughing to each other about “white boys”… not really the direction I want to take the evening. My salad comes out and I start eating, being careful to eat in a way that conveys dignity and status. Now the sorority sisters are joined by a vietnamese girl who becomes the mouthpiece of the group, and I notice that she is looking at me while whispering something into the brunette’s ear, which is in turn whispered into the blonde’s ear, followed by the blonde making an ambiguous gesture in my direction. Now I’m lost in the situation, so I just keep eating my salad, but my internal dialog is beginning to take on a life of its own. I’m having a discussion with myself about all the strange people around me, while they ignore me firmly. After I finish I head out of there (never a fan of that bar anyway) and go to another neighborhood bar, more of a dive but usually more communal, quieter music. Everyone is sitting in groups at the tables, and the bar is empty. It’s only about 10 so I figure I’ll plop down at the bar anyway and wait for somebody to come around to chat up. After spraying another 30mcgs of P97 in the bathroom, that is (now at 60mcgs total). Nada. Zilch. Zero. An angry-looking fellow sits down to a burger and glues his eyes to his cell-phone; a toothless old couple sits down on the other side of me and starts sucking down jack & cokes in silence. Am I in some kind of movie?? Eventually the bartender says something I can pick up on, but when I try to make smalltalk he extricates himself immediately even though he doesn’t seem to have anything else to do. A pretty cocktail waitress keeps hiding in corners and staring at me. When I look over at her and smile, she smiles back, maintains eye contact for a minute, and then disappears. This happens 3 or 4 times over the course of the 40 minutes or so I’m there. The whole time, my brain is feeling hypersocial, but there’s nothing around me to plug into. I’m kind of backpedaling, trying to keep from flipping over. And by now I’m getting a little bit drunk. I head out of there and off to a third bar a couple blocks away – now mind you it’s about 1 degree Fahrenheit and windy as hell, so the two-block walk is hellacious. I get there and am stared down by the girl at the hostess stand whose job I think it is to card me, but she just kind of looks at me with this blank smile. I say “hi” and smile at her, and kind of wait for her to tell me what to do, but she just keeps staring through me. So I walk over to the bar and sit down in the empty space between a couple of seriously drunk girls, one of whom is resting the back of her head in the other’s chest and being petted like a dog. To my right are a couple who are both buried in their cellphones, and there is some kind of Pantera bullshit blasting in there, and no sooner have I taken off my coat and scarf than I realize I need to get the hell out there before somebody starts making me drink more beer. I walk home fast, talking to myself the whole way and trying like hell to engage anyone on the street in any small way as my lips are freezing onto my teeth. Horrific! An hour at home with a couple of egg nogs has started to bring me back down to earth. I don’t know if this journal entry is going to be useful to anyone, or if anyone will be able to help me decode these experiences. I hope there is some sense to be made. I don’t know if this weird night had anything to do with the mones or if it’s just been an off night in an arctic town a few days before winter solstice. But it did manage to bring out some of my more peculiar forms of approach anxiety and alienation, and sent my mind spinning in some ways it hasn’t in quite some time. ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 8:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/49 "2010-12-18T20:22:52Z")
So… effect analysis of P97 at 30-60mcg: **Settings** - 3 seperate bars **Dosage** - 30mcg at first bar (stayed for approx 1.5 hrs), applied behind ears - additional 30mcg at second bar (stayed for approx 1 hour), applied behind ears **Self-effects:** - Strong initial rush; spontaneous laughter - Increased desire for intimacy - Increased self-consciousness - Increased social inhibition - Increased internal dialog - A kind of pollyanna mental effect - I found myself smiling even when feeling unhappy - Fleeting peripheral visual hallucinations **Other-effects** - Avoidance - Ghosting? - Intimidation? - Disgust? - Tough to read… could just be a bad night, or I could’ve been putting out a signal so alien that no one knew what to make of me. Or maybe I just reeked of grapefruit 😃 The only change I noticed between the 30mcg dose and the 60mcg dose was an increase in my sense of urgency, but this could also have been associated with my developing inebriation. Today I’ll try P97 at lower doses and report back. ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 9:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/50 "2010-12-18T21:26:57Z")
Well. I wasn’t paying attention and I managed to read about a putative that I haven’t tested yet. Honestly your report makes me a littled nervous to test it. The self effects sound familiar, I think the ghosting is very interesting. Why did you try 30 amd 60mcg’s? ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 9:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/51 "2010-12-18T21:32:23Z")
> [@JosieW](#): > > Well. I wasn’t paying attention and I managed to read about a putative that I haven’t tested yet. Honestly your report makes me a littled nervous to test it. The self effects sound familiar, I think the ghosting is very interesting. Why did you try 30 amd 60mcg’s? I wanted to see what the upper end effect range would be like to help me see the nuances at lower doses. IIRC, previous reporters had put 30mcg either at the sweet spot for this molecule or at the high end of effect size. Can’t really remember which. There’s something very reflective about this molecule. In some ways it is very intellectual and in others it is very emotional. At lower doses or as part of a mix, it could end up being useful. It wasn’t very comfortable at this dosage range, though, at least around people I didn’t know. If I’d been around people I was already comfortable engaging it could have been a very different experience. ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 9:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/52 "2010-12-18T21:36:56Z")
**There was another self-effect I forgot to mention** , and have added to the above list: **fleeting peripheral hallucinations**. Several times throughout the night, I found myself momentarily interpreting peripheral visual information in inappropriate and bizarre ways. I think at one point an empty table and chairs was Johnny Carson for about 1/5th of a second. It was a really odd experience. This effect was intensified at the 60mcg dosage. ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2010, 11:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/53 "2010-12-18T23:56:32Z")
**P97 Test #2 (Or, The Invisible Man Goes To The Supermarket)** Last night I of course took extra care to scrub my application points with a soapy washcloth, so I don’t think today’s effects are the result of residual P97 left over from last night’s OD, but it is possible. **Application** A single 15mcg spray split behind the ears, covered with a little Azzaro Chrome. **Self-Effects** An immediate wave of anxiety came over me upon applying the putative, which lasted about 15 minutes. I thought this was doubly unusual because I had finished a good workout just about 20 minutes prior, which usually puts me into a real solid state of mind. After the anxiety came irritability and introspection. I started reflecting on some of the same general discomforts and dissatisfactions that had characterized my experience last night, but without the same desperate quality. There was more of a resolve. I started thinking that this molecule might be helpful for things like smoking cessation, weight loss, or phobias – things where you really have to get sick of the way things are before you can fully commit to making the change. I felt mad as hell and not going to take it anymore. I’d mostly leveled out in this feeling by the time I arrived at the grocery store, where I tried to cultivate a state of watchfulness for any reactions or interactions that might take place. I found it very difficult to focus on what I was shopping for, and ended up wandering around a lot feeling like I wanted to buy something I just couldn’t put my finger on. **Other-Effects** Everybody in that store was _all_ up in my business. I had no personal space at all. And not in the way that you feel like people are feeling comfortable joining you in your space. It was as though I wasn’t there at all. People were stepping out and stopping just inches in front of me. A couple of people even bumped into my cart and then did not make any acknowledgement that this had taken place. At the deli counter, I ended up having to yell my order over the heads of a few people who just didn’t seem to notice my presence at all. After a while I started to wonder if I was really there. I started practically shouting “Excuse me” to the people who just seemed to collect in my path, and they would respond by moving out of the way (usually quite rapidly), but without looking at me or otherwise acknowledging my presence. On the walk home my internal dialog degenerated into “fuck fuck fuck.” I arrived home still feeling just overwhelmed with bitter anxiety and general dissatisfaction, which continued as I put the groceries away. This feeling passed within 5 minutes of scrubbing my application points with a soapy washcloth. Either this molecule just doesn’t agree with me at all, or I’m still ODing at 15mcgs. I’ll try it at 1/2 spray next time. ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2010, 11:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/54 "2010-12-19T23:16:51Z")
_Note: I added some extra general information about myself to the first post of this journal thread. I’m enjoying keeping this journal; gives me a reason to be attentive to my daily mundanities. Thanks to everyone who’s been reading and leaving feedback! 🙂_ I needed a win today so I went for a variation on **Deja Vu’s Superstar-Respect Mix [thread not found]**. Since I have no p83 to juice it up I substituted IS, arriving at the following formula: - 2x IG - 2x IO (Deja’s Mix calls for 3x but I misremembered. Will try 3x next time.) - 2x IH - 2x IS I got a mild spacey buzz at first, but by the time I was halfway to the coffee shop I got a feeling that I described to myself as “velvety.” I felt confident and coordinated, and also noticed a slight compression of time, so that my reaction time and powers of observation seemed to be heightened. _Note to self: I should find an instrument for comparing perceived reaction time to actual reaction time so I can test how subjective an effect like this is._ **Setting 1: A classy little cafe where local rich people seem to hang out. They serve fancy French sandwiches and quiches.** I walked in and the woman at the front counter was handling some kind of transaction with another customer that looked complicated. She was early thirties, brunette, attractive, and well-dressed. I got no acknowledgement for the couple minutes it took for the other customer to get finished with, but I had just walked in from 15 degree weather so any chemical signature, natural or otherwise, likely needed some time to thaw. There was another woman behind the counter, Asian, mid thirties, probably Japanese, who ignored me completely – I was worried I was still ghosting from the damn P97!! The Asian girl continued to mostly ignore me for the duration of my stay. When the brunette finished with the other customer, she turned toward me and immediately winked as she smiled and asked me how I was. I was caught off-guard by the wink, and felt luxuriously unhurried, so instead of launching right into any kind of order I asked her how she was. Then I chatted her up about whether this was a good place to sit and get some work done, and if they wouldn’t get offended if I just sat and worked and had coffee. I ordered a small soy latte. She encouraged me to start a tab so I could eat later, but I preferred to pay right away so I wouldn’t forget. She heard, and charged me for, a large (I didn’t comment.) I later noticed her looking across the room at me a couple of times over the next hour, stealing a glance nearly every time she walked by. Later, when I walked over to ask the brunette where the restroom was (it needed a key), I noticed she was maintaining an unusual level of eye contact, which I did not break. It also seemed that her hips swung slightly more when walking in my vicinity than when walking elsewhere – studies have indicated that this unconscious posturing indicates a desire to appear attractive and fertile. I set up my things at a table and walked back for my latte. My latte was sitting on the counter, but the coffee-hippie who had made it, a 30ish red-beard, was not satisfied with the way the foam was laying on it, so he asked me to wait just a minute while he made me another one. It looked fine to me, but I graciously accepted the TLC. I noticed this coffee-hippie looking across the room at me a couple times also 😃 As I sat down to work on my laptop, an overweight Filipino cougar eyed me, licked her lips, and rubbed her thigh while talking on the phone. She was there with a skinny white friend, older and more conservative-looking, who faced away from me. As the two of them got up to leave, the white one turned toward me and leaned in to ask me if I wanted her paper. She asked this in a very deliberate and elongated way while maintaining steady eye contact. I said no but thank you. **Conclusions** Overall the effects of this mix were mild but definitely noticeable. It put me in a good mood and seemed to make me unusually interesting to some of the people around me. I wonder what would happen if I doubled everything… 😮 ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2010, 5:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/55 "2010-12-20T05:24:51Z")
I just finished recording an mp3 version of the Phenomenology of Consciousness Inventory - Hypnotic Assessment Procedure (PCI-HAP) to use in my study of the effects of pheromones on hypnotic experience. I’ll first do a pilot study on myself and my friends to see if [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) has an effect hypnotic response. If I see any promising effects, I’ll ask around here to see if anyone would be willing to volunteer two hours of their time in exchange for a groovy hypnotic experience, to see if we can get some more promising data. If the preliminary findings are good, I’ll spring for an experimone vial of pure beta-androstenol and another of plain neroli, and do a double-blind trial. I’ll randomly divide my subjects into two groups: the first group will receive plain neroli during the first PCI-HAP administration and betanol during the second, and the second group will receive the two in reverse order. If IH is not effective in the pilot study, I’ll start trying other molecules. Sounds like a plan? ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 4:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/56 "2010-12-21T16:23:54Z")
I’ve now got permission from Ron Pekala to use the PCI and PCI-HAP in this research! I’m going to take a few days off the mones now to let myself get back in balance before I continue to master the consumer line. The last couple weeks of experimenting have been surprisingly intense! There’s a lot of potential here, that’s for sure. I’m beginning to think that less really is more when it comes to using these substances. So far I’ve tended to see clearer results when using less product. I’ll continue testing for my sweet spots when I return. Merry Christmas to all! ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/57 "2010-12-21T21:35:34Z")
I just want you to know that I read all of your post in Derren Brown’s voice and accent. There seems to be some upper limit to all of the molecules that we test. They differientiate between each molecule. Some of them have a varying range of effects depending on the dosage used. At the highest end, it seems to have the same effect as white noise, however even that can be useful if you know how to plant a thought. ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2010, 9:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/58 "2010-12-21T21:52:03Z")
> [@JosieW](#): > > I just want you to know that I read all of your post in Derren Brown’s voice and accent. LOL!! You should be aware that my posts are a combination of science, showmanship, and old-fashioned trickery. 🙂 > [@JosieW](#): > > There seems to be some upper limit to all of the molecules that we test. They differientiate between each molecule. Some of them have a varying range of effects depending on the dosage used. At the highest end, it seems to have the same effect as white noise, however even that can be useful if you know how to plant a thought. This is an excellent point. It is very possible that some of the most profound suggestive effects that people report at very high dosages are similar in nature to a hypnotic [confusion induction](http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/confusion+induction), in which a subject’s ability to make sense out of what is being said or done is overloaded to a point where they will simply follow any directions given to them. If, for example, a pickup artist were approaching a target with a very clear goal and congruent behavior, they might misattribute the target’s compliance to an arousal produced by the pheromones, when in fact it was produced by the social demand characteristics that they themselves had created, aided by the pheromonally-induced confusion. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2010, 11:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/59 "2010-12-23T23:33:34Z")
Milton had the best one with his handshake induction. I use mind bending language patterns from Igor I learned. Good stuff 🙂 ---
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