# Dbot's Pheromone Journal **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [December 4, 2010, 6:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727 "2010-12-04T06:29:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 6:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/103 "2011-01-16T18:14:48Z")
> [@Deja\_Vu](#): > > Wow dbot I’m jealous. You have an AWFUL LOT of editions of A314, I don’t think anyone in this forum has AS many editions of A314 as you have. 😛 > > How do you feel about the increase in dosage from 2 to 3 for your A314? LOL yeah I’ve taken to giving my ancient and inscrutable bottle of Love-Scent Edition A314 a new name every time, to highlight it’s ancestral power 😃 I’m actually very glad I bumped up the A314. I think at 3x on its own the A314 can be a little too brazen and even irritable, but the IH and p74 level that effect out into a much more likable and charismatic high-status vibe. ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2011, 8:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/104 "2011-01-16T20:07:55Z")
**First experience with ICM 1A oil** Now I’ll say in advance that I went and got all filthy with pheromones as this day progressed. I’m willing to admit that this particular day is not an example of excellent and rigorous research. But I’ll walk through it and try to make it as sensible as I can 🙂 I was planning on going to a poetry reading at night, and thought it would be a good time to test out something new. I applied the following behind my ears and along my jawline: - **1x A314** Sirius Mystery Edition - **About 6 drops of Steve’s ICM 1A oil** This was applied in the afternoon about 3 hours before the reading, as I was first going to the dry cleaner and to Target. I didn’t notice much out of the ordinary at either of these locations, although I can easily chalk that up to it being so cold out that it would take a while for my skin to warm back up and diffuse anything after getting inside. Actually, now that I think about it, there was a girl working there who pretty much adopted me when I asked her where the kitchen trash cans were, and walked with me there while making smalltalk. She was headed that direction anyway, though, with a big palette of boxes in tow. Also, there was a group of 4 girls probably 17-18 years old waiting in front of me at the checkout, who each in turn looked back at me at least once. Two of them looked back at me 2-3 times and actually smiled. Girls that young usually don’t pay much attention to me, so it struck me as being somewhat out of the ordinary. Now I had a problem. It was an unreasonably cold and gloomy day in Chicago, and I was feeling more like hibernating than going out. But I didn’t want to waste all these pheromones I’d loaded up with already 😃 So what was I to do? Well, how about a little spritz of P106 to the wrist, see if that gets me going? So I applied: - **10mcg P106** , akuto, to the pulsepoints of the wrist, and then - **1x [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/)** to the same spot 5 minutes later, really just to try and cover up the akuto. I really don’t like the smell of akuto. I warned you that this was getting messy. Before I knew it I had conjured a Google map and was on my way to the reading with notebook in hand. The reading took place at a smallish cafe that was crammed full of probably 50 people for this event. I found myself a seat right up by the front and ordered an iced tea. Much of the poetry was godawful drivel about someone’s pug dog or grandkids, as you come to expect when you go to these things. So during the readings that didn’t impress me I involved myself in my notebook, working and re-working lines to a new poem I’ve been working on this week. I was unusually focused while working. I usually get easily distracted by things happening around me, but I actually had the feeling of being able to attend to the room around me while still being completely absorbed in working on the poem. Several times I found myself capable of listening to one poem while writing another. I attribute this effect to the P106. I love that stuff; I really need to get a bottle of it unscented so I can learn and love it properly. Over the course of the two hours or so that I sat there, I began to notice what may have been some effects of that ICM oil warming up and beginning to diffuse. The older woman seated next to me, who had come to read, became very interested in the fact that I was writing and repeatedly encouraged me to add my name to the reading list. I definitely felt that I had a certain centrality for all the reasonably attractive women in the room, but I’m really not sure that can be attributed to the pheromones for the following reasons: - I occupied a central position in the room, and was mostly in line with the microphone - I was the only reasonably attractive male aged 30-40 in the room Regardless, I noticed a particularly cute young poet, probably around 21 years old, who was quite nervous to be reading and had some hand tremors from the adrenaline. As she read, she appeared to consciously avoid looking in my direction until she reached a breaking point, when she would look directly into my eyes for a moment, and then appear to lose her place in the poem. It was adorable. As she finished, I decided that I would make one prolonged eye contact with her as she left the mic and then make no further eye contact but observe her in the periphery. She did a triple-take as if to confirm that I was actually looking her in the eye and smiling, and then walked back and sat with her obese and socially awkward boyfriend (brother?). I noticed her watching me several times as I continued intermittently listening and writing. I ended up finishing my poem while sitting there, and so when the MC called for more readers I raised my hand and told him I had one. I’m just getting back into the poetry scene after not having time for it the last 6 years, but I’ve got about a decade of experience writing and performing poetry, annunciate and inflect well, am pretty good at reading a room, and generally tend to be well-received. So I can’t say for sure whether it was strictly the magic of my words that caused the _gorgeous_ young barrista to approach me as I was putting on my coat to leave. She had listened for my name and repeated it to confirm that I was the one she had heard, and told me she loved my poem and enjoyed the way I read it. She stared deeply into my eyes. The moment was delicious. Now, she had already given me some big pretty eyes a few times during the night, and had slightly rubbed my shoulder as she sat my iced tea down on the table. On my way home, I noticed a couple of interesting events: 1. A kind of thugged-out dude approached me looking like he was ready to hustle. He asked if I had 50 cents, and I just brushed my jacket pockets with my hands as I told him, “Nope, sorry.” He turned away immediately looking much more apologetic than I had expected him to. 2. A late-20s black guy was standing next to where I was sitting on the train, and we both laughed at the same time as a scrawny white hipster in skinny pants trotted off the train at the last minute. We laughed together as though we had known each other well. There was no further contact between us until about 15 minutes later when I got off the train and he said “Alright man, have a good night!” I wished the same back at him; the level of familiarity was pleasant and unusual. Once I got back home, I wanted to be considerate and wash all my mones off before my wife got home, since I know she is on her period. **A Comforting Mix For My Girl’s Time Of The Month** So the wife was coming home from work late and I’d already gone out and had my fun, so I decided to use what I’ve learned so far to concoct a warm, comforting mix that would make her feel happy to be home with me 🙂 - **1x IG** - **1x IH** - **10mcg P74** All were sprayed to the chest and allowed to dry before I put on a t-shirt. Application was about 20 minutes before she arrived at home. She wanted to vent for a while about the idiots she works with, as women love to do ([YouTube - Sharon Marsh ‘Shake Weight’ at a Beach](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axBIbZKp8r8)), and I found myself feeling more tolerant of it than usual. She seemed comfortable and happy talking with me and getting ready for bed. There was a fun playfulness between us that doesn’t always happen at 3am, and we settled into bed both feeling content. Now here’s an effect I hadn’t really thought of and will have to test more to see whether I can really consider it an effect: I slept like a baby. Really deep and smooth, and with vivid, adventurous dreams. **Can pheromones affect the quality of our sleep and dreams?** ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 12:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/105 "2011-01-17T00:06:10Z")
We shall be discovering that on the next episode 🙂 I would be very interested if mones affects our dreams. Great report! I’m actually considering buying P106 now after reading your reports. [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) and P106 are the top of my next purchase for sure 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![GorMas2020](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gormas2020/32/197_2.png) [@GorMas2020](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GorMas2020)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 6:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/106 "2011-01-17T06:19:15Z")
Search the forum 😛…I’m pretty sure there is lots about dreams and mones… I have to type up a report before bed or I would have searched a bit for you guys. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2011, 9:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/107 "2011-01-17T21:26:45Z")
> dbot > > **First experience with ICM 1A oil** > > Now I’ll say in advance that I went and got all filthy with pheromones as this day progressed. I’m willing to admit that this particular day is not an example of excellent and rigorous research. But I’ll walk through it and try to make it as sensible as I can 🙂 > > I was planning on going to a poetry reading at night, and thought it would be a good time to test out something new. I applied the following behind my ears and along my jawline: > > - **1x A314** Sirius Mystery Edition > - **About 6 drops of Steve’s ICM 1A oil** > > This was applied in the afternoon about 3 hours before the reading, as I was first going to the dry cleaner and to Target. I didn’t notice much out of the ordinary at either of these locations, although I can easily chalk that up to it being so cold out that it would take a while for my skin to warm back up and diffuse anything after getting inside. > > Actually, now that I think about it, there was a girl working there who pretty much adopted me when I asked her where the kitchen trash cans were, and walked with me there while making smalltalk. She was headed that direction anyway, though, with a big palette of boxes in tow. > > Also, there was a group of 4 girls probably 17-18 years old waiting in front of me at the checkout, who each in turn looked back at me at least once. Two of them looked back at me 2-3 times and actually smiled. Girls that young usually don’t pay much attention to me, so it struck me as being somewhat out of the ordinary. > > Now I had a problem. It was an unreasonably cold and gloomy day in Chicago, and I was feeling more like hibernating than going out. But I didn’t want to waste all these pheromones I’d loaded up with already 😃 > > So what was I to do? Well, how about a little spritz of P106 to the wrist, see if that gets me going? > > So I applied: > > - **10mcg P106** , akuto, to the pulsepoints of the wrist, and then > - **1x Instant Shine** to the same spot 5 minutes later, really just to try and cover up the akuto. I really don’t like the smell of akuto. > > I warned you that this was getting messy. > > Before I knew it I had conjured a Google map and was on my way to the reading with notebook in hand. The reading took place at a smallish cafe that was crammed full of probably 50 people for this event. I found myself a seat right up by the front and ordered an iced tea. Much of the poetry was godawful drivel about someone’s pug dog or grandkids, as you come to expect when you go to these things. > > So during the readings that didn’t impress me I involved myself in my notebook, working and re-working lines to a new poem I’ve been working on this week. I was unusually focused while working. I usually get easily distracted by things happening around me, but I actually had the feeling of being able to attend to the room around me while still being completely absorbed in working on the poem. Several times I found myself capable of listening to one poem while writing another. I attribute this effect to the P106. I love that stuff; I really need to get a bottle of it unscented so I can learn and love it properly. > > Over the course of the two hours or so that I sat there, I began to notice what may have been some effects of that ICM oil warming up and beginning to diffuse. The older woman seated next to me, who had come to read, became very interested in the fact that I was writing and repeatedly encouraged me to add my name to the reading list. > > I definitely felt that I had a certain centrality for all the reasonably attractive women in the room, but I’m really not sure that can be attributed to the pheromones for the following reasons: > > - I occupied a central position in the room, and was mostly in line with the microphone > - I was the only reasonably attractive male aged 30-40 in the room > > Regardless, I noticed a particularly cute young poet, probably around 21 years old, who was quite nervous to be reading and had some hand tremors from the adrenaline. As she read, she appeared to consciously avoid looking in my direction until she reached a breaking point, when she would look directly into my eyes for a moment, and then appear to lose her place in the poem. It was adorable. As she finished, I decided that I would make one prolonged eye contact with her as she left the mic and then make no further eye contact but observe her in the periphery. She did a triple-take as if to confirm that I was actually looking her in the eye and smiling, and then walked back and sat with her obese and socially awkward boyfriend (brother?). I noticed her watching me several times as I continued intermittently listening and writing. > > I ended up finishing my poem while sitting there, and so when the MC called for more readers I raised my hand and told him I had one. I’m just getting back into the poetry scene after not having time for it the last 6 years, but I’ve got about a decade of experience writing and performing poetry, annunciate and inflect well, am pretty good at reading a room, and generally tend to be well-received. > > So I can’t say for sure whether it was strictly the magic of my words that caused the _gorgeous_ young barrista to approach me as I was putting on my coat to leave. She had listened for my name and repeated it to confirm that I was the one she had heard, and told me she loved my poem and enjoyed the way I read it. She stared deeply into my eyes. The moment was delicious. Now, she had already given me some big pretty eyes a few times during the night, and had slightly rubbed my shoulder as she sat my iced tea down on the table. > > On my way home, I noticed a couple of interesting events: > > 1. A kind of thugged-out dude approached me looking like he was ready to hustle. He asked if I had 50 cents, and I just brushed my jacket pockets with my hands as I told him, “Nope, sorry.” He turned away immediately looking much more apologetic than I had expected him to. > 2. A late-20s black guy was standing next to where I was sitting on the train, and we both laughed at the same time as a scrawny white hipster in skinny pants trotted off the train at the last minute. We laughed together as though we had known each other well. There was no further contact between us until about 15 minutes later when I got off the train and he said “Alright man, have a good night!” I wished the same back at him; the level of familiarity was pleasant and unusual. > > Once I got back home, I wanted to be considerate and wash all my mones off before my wife got home, since I know she is on her period. > > **A Comforting Mix For My Girl’s Time Of The Month** > > So the wife was coming home from work late and I’d already gone out and had my fun, so I decided to use what I’ve learned so far to concoct a warm, comforting mix that would make her feel happy to be home with me 🙂 > > - **1x IG** > - **1x IH** > - **10mcg P74** > > All were sprayed to the chest and allowed to dry before I put on a t-shirt. Application was about 20 minutes before she arrived at home. > > She wanted to vent for a while about the idiots she works with, as women love to do ( [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axBIbZKp8r8](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axBIbZKp8r8)), and I found myself feeling more tolerant of it than usual. She seemed comfortable and happy talking with me and getting ready for bed. There was a fun playfulness between us that doesn’t always happen at 3am, and we settled into bed both feeling content. Now here’s an effect I hadn’t really thought of and will have to test more to see whether I can really consider it an effect: I slept like a baby. Really deep and smooth, and with vivid, adventurous dreams. **Can pheromones affect the quality of our sleep and dreams?** Something I do is use one spray of MX301 or ICM, whatever the heck you wanna call it, and about 6 drops of the oil. This way I get those quick hits and can depend on the slow diffusion of the oil to last throughout the night. It serves its purpose that way. Great report though, I mean really great report 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 3:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/108 "2011-01-19T03:28:44Z")
**Internship Interview #5** This was my second interview at the site that has become my #1 choice. I had to interview first for an hour with Supervisor #2, and then for an hour with one of the current interns. **Interview Mix 1.3** - 3x A314 Dogon Priesthood Edition - applied 3 drops behind the ears - 20mcg unscented P74 - applied to the pulse-points on the wrists - 2x [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) - applied to the pulse-points on the wrists, on top of the P74 I bumped the p74 up to 20mcgs today, following a few days of gaining comfort with the molecule’s effects in a variety of settings at the 10-15mcg level. I’m loving p74’s strong likability and trust effects, particularly in this mix. **Self-Effects** Felt smooth, easy, and confident. I had a slightly heightened sense of time in the period leading up to the interview, so I was able to sit down and eat a nice comfortable breakfast a couple blocks from the interview site. I walked in feeling positive and clear-minded, and generally presented myself eloquently and empathically. I also noticed a slightly decreased sense of the passage of time during the interview, such that time went by rather quickly. I maintained a feeling of calm, comfortable attentiveness throughout the meetings. **Other-Effects** The trust, respect, and confidence vibes I’ve come to expect from this mix were definitely there. At the 20mcg level the p74 really started to blossom. By the end of each interview, I felt the interviewers really wanting to like me. There was very good rapport, including mutual laughter and looks of recognition, in each of the sessions. **Conclusion** This is a really warm, intelligent, and charismatic mix for this type of interview situation. I think that somewhere between the 15 and 20mcg level, there starts to be a little bit of a tradeoff with the p74, where likability increases a lot but you start to lose just a bit of verbal fluidity. There are still more ingredients that I want to add to this mix, but I don’t know exactly what. The mix needs just a little touch of… excitement, maybe? intrigue? Something that says I am not only a high-value individual that you connect with easily and naturally like, but also someone that you _need to know better_, someone who _really has something to offer_. Maybe even something a little _rugged_? ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 5:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/109 "2011-01-19T05:04:41Z")
**Field Test: 2x TUTH + 15mcg P97** So I was discussing my previous unhappy experiences [1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/49),[2](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/53)] with P97 [over in the trading post thread](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trading-post-2011-closed-buy-sell-trade-pherotalk-members-pheromone-market/44425). Steve suggests that I should dilute it down to 2.5mcg/spray (which I don’t really know how to do with any kind of accuracy), which is something I may try in the near future, or else unload the 15mcg version I have and buy a new bottle at 2.5mcg. Pagodeiro reported having excellent times with P97, but suggested that it is best used as a troubleshooter for more unruly molecules. His suggestion: 2xTUTH + 15mcg P97. Turns out I was really hungry after a workout, and had nothing sufficiently protein-rich in the house. So I spritzed the mix betwixt my wrists and headed out to the neighborhood pub. People in this neighborhood have never much talked to me for some reason, so I wasn’t expecting a lot of social interaction. But I just went up and sat at the bar and ordered some food and a beer. **Self-Effects** Slightly jittery at first, but this smoothed out into a kind of swagger. Still a little bit of an anxious energy to it, but not the desperation I felt with p97 on its own. **Other-Effects** This really felt like a Dirty Harry kind of mix. People didn’t ignore me so much as they gave me a wide berth. I felt kind of dominant, but in a solitary, devil-may-care sort of way. At one point I passed wind and thought to myself that I’d be amused if anyone heard it. After I ordered, a fellow came in to meet the guy sitting one seat over from me on the left. The guy walked over and ordered his beer and kind of stood by the chair for a while. When he finally did sit, he really seemed to make sure to keep his arms in and give me plenty of space. A guy came and sat on my right side and did more or less the same thing. I sat around eating my burger, and at a certain point the bartender mentioned to the guy on my right that he had managed to get tickets to the Bears-Packers game. I remarked that the game had sold out in 1 minutes. The guys on both side seems gracious about my having made contact, but didn’t seem to have any desire for smalltalk. I noticed two mid-30s females eyeing me inscrutably just a little bit from within a 10’ radius. **Conclusion** Meh. ---
**Author:** ![GorMas2020](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gormas2020/32/197_2.png) [@GorMas2020](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GorMas2020)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 6:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/110 "2011-01-19T18:46:32Z")
> [@dbot](#): > > **Field Test: 2x TUTH + 15mcg P97** > > So I was discussing my previous unhappy experiences [1](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/49),[2](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/53)] with P97 [over in the trading post thread](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/trading-post-2011-closed-buy-sell-trade-pherotalk-members-pheromone-market/44425). > > Steve suggests that I should dilute it down to 2.5mcg/spray (which I don’t really know how to do with any kind of accuracy), which is something I may try in the near future, or else unload the 15mcg version I have and buy a new bottle at 2.5mcg. > > Pagodeiro reported having excellent times with P97, but suggested that it is best used as a troubleshooter for more unruly molecules. His suggestion: 2xTUTH + 15mcg P97. > > Turns out I was really hungry after a workout, and had nothing sufficiently protein-rich in the house. So I spritzed the mix betwixt my wrists and headed out to the neighborhood pub. People in this neighborhood have never much talked to me for some reason, so I wasn’t expecting a lot of social interaction. But I just went up and sat at the bar and ordered some food and a beer. > > **Self-Effects** > > Slightly jittery at first, but this smoothed out into a kind of swagger. Still a little bit of an anxious energy to it, but not the desperation I felt with p97 on its own. > > **Other-Effects** > > This really felt like a Dirty Harry kind of mix. People didn’t ignore me so much as they gave me a wide berth. I felt kind of dominant, but in a solitary, devil-may-care sort of way. At one point I passed wind and thought to myself that I’d be amused if anyone heard it. > > After I ordered, a fellow came in to meet the guy sitting one seat over from me on the left. The guy walked over and ordered his beer and kind of stood by the chair for a while. When he finally did sit, he really seemed to make sure to keep his arms in and give me plenty of space. A guy came and sat on my right side and did more or less the same thing. > > I sat around eating my burger, and at a certain point the bartender mentioned to the guy on my right that he had managed to get tickets to the Bears-Packers game. I remarked that the game had sold out in 1 minutes. The guys on both side seems gracious about my having made contact, but didn’t seem to have any desire for smalltalk. > > I noticed two mid-30s females eyeing me inscrutably just a little bit from within a 10’ radius. > > **Conclusion** > > Meh. I enjoy this type of reaction from other males. I’m not sure why. I actually wore tuth (5mcgs) with 2 sprays shine2x after deciding to make a quick run to the bar late one evening and was suprised that I was getting “sexual” respect hits from guys. This one guy in particular was trying to get a girl to give me a bj. This particular night was like I had guys recruiting girls for ME. Somewhat odd and enjoyable at the same time. ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 8:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/111 "2011-01-19T20:36:38Z")
I don’t know if I made this up or if I stole it, but I call A314 lubricant for life. It just makes everything easier. [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) really should be tested on it’s own if you have time. I found my sweet spot somehwere between 15 and 22.5mcgs. ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2011, 10:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/112 "2011-01-19T22:09:01Z")
> [@JosieW](#): > > I don’t know if I made this up or if I stole it, but I call A314 lubricant for life. It just makes everything easier. P74 really should be tested on it’s own if you have time. I found my sweet spot somehwere between 15 and 22.5mcgs. That’s a good way to describe A314. It really does make most things just go a little easier. I’ve even noticed that I have a better physical tolerance for cold weather when I wear it. I will have to try p74 on its own some more. I’m still kind of developing my theory of testing. It seems like for putatives I’m finding it really helpful to get a little bit of a sense for their action when used solo, then when used in simple mixes I understand well, then more solo testing. I can really see why so many people swear by p74; it’s a winner. ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2011, 9:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/113 "2011-01-22T09:00:31Z")
**I’m looking through some old posts and figured I’d stow some goodies here for reference** Here’s some interesting **thoughts from MHarris on the nature and purpose of A314** , and the proper way to observe hits. > [@Help/Advice A314/IS](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/help-advice-a314-is/565/5): > > A314 is a compliance product that doesn’t provide “hits” of the type that people normally talk about. I don’t know what you’re “looking for”, but you won’t see it. > > With A314, you _act_, and get a compliant _re_action. It’s like motor oil – a social lubricant that only works when the motor is running, and does nothing noticable if you don’t. It’s not the type of things that generates huge overts just by benig in someone’s vicinity. > > Keep in mind that men who \*act \*are attractive, not men who receive or expect to receive. Women are wired to respond to men who initiate. > > Men who _act_ively look for hits and aggressive flirting behavior from women are the least attractive men of all. That’s a feminine behavior. It’s a mousey thing for men to do. > > You take yourself out of the game that way. > > You still need to develop social awareness, but se sure to look very “lightly”, otherwise people will respond to your act of looking itself. The observer affecting the observed. > > Make sure initiation and other male patterns consist of the bulk of your behavior, otherwise you’re like a guy using feminine social strategies. The wrong female social strategies. Like a guy wearing red pumps and lipstick… and not many women will find that attractive! > > Which is not to say that you can’t take attraction strategies from women. You just have to be highly _selective_ over what you implement. > > One of the best female attraction strategy to copy is their “hard to get” social schema. Both men and women are attracted to what is rare and unavailable. > > You can also copy social strategies from women that come from them having excessive amounts of men available to them. Doing things that clearly transmit to women that you must be getting laid, otherwise you’d never do that (“neg hits” and the like), are powerful attraction behaviors right out of lady’s own rulebook. Here’s a [very interesting thread started by tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-as-potentially-intense-emotional-growth-accelerators/2585/1) regarding **the use of pheromones for self-improvement**. PheroQuirk responds: > [@Pheros as emotional growth accelerators: wearing emotive mixes to build social skills](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheros-as-emotional-growth-accelerators-wearing-emotive-mixes-to-build-social-skills/2585/5): > > to what extent is this learning the result of having an extra dial to twiddle… playing with none one quickly becomes attuned to the nature of dominance/submission behaviours and status and one starts to see this dynamic in all kinds of situations where it had previously been occult. once you start adding in the reptilians and post reptilian putatives there is a whole set of layers of behavioural programming exposed that one simply would have been oblivious to before. Here’s a [juicy, juicy thread on the **most magnetic pheromones for men**](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/most-magnetic-pheromones-for-men/3796). Suggested candidates include: - P74 - TAA - TAH - TAL - P90 - P79 - P93 - Est - P83 - P84/P85 - P101 There was also some suggestion that an approachability enhancer such as TAK may be helpful in facilitating the magnetic effects of other pheromones. A particularly interesting idea regarding magnetism mixes: > [@Most magnetic pheromones for men?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/most-magnetic-pheromones-for-men/3796/9): > > I’m thinking that magnetic attraction for large numbers of people instead of select group is more likely to come from a symphonic mix than a single pheromone. That gives a more “well rounded” perception, and also is more likely to hit any single individual’s “buttons.” > > Ideally, to maintain the attraction, the dominant notes in the symphony change from day to day. This keeps people from thinking they have the wearer “figured out.” Here’s some advice from MHarris on creating mixes, circa 2006: > [@What pheromones do MHarris and Jasmin use?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheromones-do-mharris-and-jasmin-use/561/5): > > I’ll say this. For attraction, it tends to be the simplest and most complex mixes that work the best. > > i.e., the “middle mixes” don’t. The “middle mixes” are best for normal socialization and/or business. > > A314 is a “middle mix”. Very refined, but often best when mixed for sexual purposes (so it goes more in a symphonic direction). > > Alone, I wouldn’t call it very sexual. Sexy, maybe. On the other hand, you will see it used in huge, symphonic mixes to good effect. > > Also, simple, or even “bad” mixes of a very few pheromones can be excellent for gathering attention. The type of mixes nature would never make. > > It’s sort of like painting yourself blue… but with pheromones. With simple, high dose mixes, you can make yourself a bit of an oddball… and, for better or worse, that will garner attention. and more: > [@What pheromones do MHarris and Jasmin use?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheromones-do-mharris-and-jasmin-use/561/7): > > So on one end, you have really simple mixes. Sort of like a band with two members. A recent example would be the “White Stripes”, who mimiced old classic rock, in an even more stripped down manner. > > You might even have just someone’s voice as the centerpiece, with the music being incidental. Barry White is known as a “panty peeler” > > The other end, you have a symphony orchestra. So many pieces working beautifully, you sort of awe people with the vastness and complexity of it all. An astronaut seeing the earth from outspace for the first time, where he can “see everything” at once, probably has a similar reaction. > > There’s many ways to skin a cat. > > If I think about it, in youth, many kids find volkswagens appealing… even a little erotic. A simple choice for teen and 20something love. > > On the other end of things, you have over the top, high end Jaguars, TVRs, Maseratis, Ferraris, Maebachs, etc., that have a sort of “aphrodisiac” quality. > > In the middle, you have practical cars. Toyotas and the like. Nothing particularly “sexy” about those cars whatsoever. > > Aphrodisia tends to be utterly simple, or mind blowingly complex. Either catches our attention and can get our juices going. Dancing Joker chimes in with some pure gold: > [@What pheromones do MHarris and Jasmin use?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheromones-do-mharris-and-jasmin-use/561/20): > > **Symphonic Mixes Class 101** (aka Potion Making) > > “Can anyone tell me what exactly a symphonic mix is? Anyone? Anyone besides the insufferable know-it-all Ms. Granger? Perhaps you, Mr. Potter?” > > As MHarris has stated, a symphonic mix is a literal “orchestra” of different pheromones and products combining their individual effects together in a reinforcing and blended fashion as to produce new, often unexpected results. > > Think of all the components you are using as instruments in your band, and you are the singer. While you determine and guide how the song is sung, your band of instruments creates the atmosphere and backdrop, and how they mesh together and blend determines how well the song will turn out. > > As for concentrations, you should have sufficient quantities to generate an effect, but managing the intensity of one component versus another (also known as ratios) can affect how a mix turns out. Too much Androstenone may overpower the softer pheromones in the mix and steer it towards a mix that generates a darker aura and effects. Too much Alpha Androstenol and people may not take you seriously because they’re laughing their heads off. > > My symphonic mixes have individual component concentrations ranging from 0.5 mcg to up to 10 mcg. Even at such low levels, they do have a definite effect because you have to remember that it is the _total_ effect of the mix that’s important rather than the individual components. 1 mcg of P74 may not seem like much, but it may be enough to help produce one building block of the mix, which when combined with all the other building blocks, produces a complete and potent symphonic mix. > > Of course, the number of components also plays a significant part of the effectiveness of a mix, and adjustments to starting concentrations have to be made to compensate for them. Generally, the more components you have in a mix, the stronger your initial concentrations of your components have to be in order to reach the desired diluted strength in the mix. Using 15 mcg/spray concentration pheromones may be good for a 5-10 component symphonic mix, but when you get up to 20 or even 30 components, you will probably need starting concentrations up in the range of 50-75 mcg/spray. > > My most complex symphonic mixes have up to 36 components, and my starting concentrations tend to be in the 50 mcg/spray range. Of course, it generally takes more than 45 minutes to make a batch, but any good potion maker will invest the time needed for the perfect brew! 😃 I’ve had my share of bad mixes to go with the good, but when they do work, the effects of some of these mega-mixes are just insane! 😮 Some good advice on mixing from sigma: > [@Too much pheros = no result ?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/too-much-pheros-no-result/4478/8): > > It can be done if the pheromones chosen compliment each other in such a way that it produces a logical, centralized effect. the trick to symphonic mixes is to focus on a centralized effect, and to choose pheromones that build around and facilitate that effect. Beyond knowing whats in each product and knowing what the pheromones do, you also have to have a good handle on the appropriate dosage for each pheromone, and also understand how different pheromones work when used together. With a good enough understanding of what each product and pheromone does, picking pheromones that go together when producing a particular type of effect really becomes intuitive. When pheromones complement each other, the synergy can create a much better, more pronounced effect overall, however, when you start mixing products that contradict each other, you can create a muddy effect that lacks and central focus and doesn’t register well with other people. There’s always, of course, the risk of OD. Here’s [an interesting article](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fast-forces-of-attraction/9548) which asserts that **attraction is a symphony comprised of the following elements: wit, voice, charisma, class, and body language**. Here’s a [collection of favorite recipes from early users](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-mix-recipes/431). Most are pretty dated, but one post sticks out as being food for fun experimentation with consumer line products. Of course, since CTTM2 is no more, I’d say equal parts IH/IO are probably a suitable replacement, right? Maybe a dash of P74?: > [@Pheromone Mix Recipes](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pheromone-mix-recipes/431/5): > > Jedi Master Truth Serum: > > 4 sprays Instant Honesty (forearms) > 2 drops A314 (Wrists and chin) > > Effects: Creates an unconscious desire to tell the truth and a sort of feeling that it is necessary and expected. More “spill your guts”-y than IH alone, as long as the person doesn’t ab-react to alpha-ness of the A314. Can be used to “force” magnification of IOIs from women, if they have shown them previously, and is fantastic for using as a cathartic in relationships that need it. > > Stoned Life of the Party: > > 8 sprays CTTM2 to the neck and chest. The name says it all. Diane999 recommends a promising **recipe for sexual attraction without androstenone** : > [@Sexual attraction mix WITHOUT -none?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sexual-attraction-mix-without-none/28129/6): > > Meo-Est + P80 + P91 + Beta Androstenol + AndrosteRONE + TAC > > _For you:_ > 25.0 mcg Androsterone > 5.0 mcg P91 > 2.5 mcg P80 > 50.0 mcg Beta Androstenol > 10.0 mcg TAC > > _For her:_ > 100.0 mcg Beta Androstenol > 100.0 mcg Meo-Est > 5.0 mcg P91 > 2.5 mcg P80 > 10.0 mcg TAC > > Androsterone has some nice sexy leaning euphoric properties, and the respect -\> attraction -\> love qualities. > > Meo-Est is just damned plain sensual for women. > > P91 -\> euphoric, loving, thoughtful > > Beta Androstenol -\> at this dosage is very deep, very moving, very mysterious and lends itself to mind-blowing sex. > > P80 - \> at this starting dosage increases physical response to stimulus, including breathing and heart rate, and increases sexual drive and physical pleasure. > > TAC - increases sensual muscle tension, while decreasing “neurotic” muscle tension. Can lend itself to mind-blowing orgasms, guaranteed. And here are more suggestions on this topic: > [@mahalo\_silver](#): > > Examples of basic connector/ comfort mixes that still can create the “sexual/ arousal” affect: > > 1. IS/IFM/IO - try these first 3 out first > 2. IS/IFM/IH > 3. MX203/ IH > 4. P83/ IH > 5. P83/P86/ IH > 6. IS/P79 [10mcg low dose] > 7. IS/TAH/P83 [optional IH]. > 8. mx203/p83 [low dose 10-20mcg] > 9. A314/ p83/ IS > > I think working with 2 to 3 molecules in a basic formula lets u figure things out pretty quickly. only recently have i really been the mad scientist and tried to blend and mix many mones. For 1.5 years, was doing the simple 2-3 mix strategy with great results. p83 seems to do little by itself, but can turn very sexual with simple combo’s…IS and IH r nice molecules it attaches itself too. From all this? you “should” get results from the simple IS/IFM strategy. Good luck! Here is **Snoopyace’s famous symphonic blend** : > [@Snoopyace](#): > > **Product name,scent and strength** > Meo-Est 50mcg (grapefruit) > P80 50mcg (grapefruit) > P83 25mcg (grapefruit) > P93 37.5mcg (grapefruit) > P95 25mcg (grapefruit) > P96 15mcg (grapefruit) > P97 12.5mcg (grapefruit) > P102 12.5mcg (grapefruit) > P103 12.5mcg (grapefruit) > CB I Hate Perfume Gathering Apples and Cedarwood Tea (oil base, applied both OVER the pheros on my neck and also applied each to the tops of my hands) > > **Application dosage and locations** > Meo-Est 3sprays (1 spray to each side of the neck below the ears and one to front of neck) > P80 1 spray (throat) > P83 2 sprays (Either side of neck) > P93 1 spray (back of neck) > P95 2 sprays (side of neck) > P96 4 sprays (2 sprays into hair on each side of head) > P97 2 sprays (over P83 application points) > P102 2 sprays (1 spray to left side of neck over Meo-Est and 1 spray to right wrist) > P103 2 sprays (1 spray to right side of neck over Meo-Est and 1 spray to left wrist) > CB I Hate Perfume Gathering Apples and Cedarwood Tea (oil base, applied both OVER the pheros on my neck and also applied each to the tops of my hands) and the rationale for ingredients: > [@Meo-Est, P80, P83, P93, P95, P96, P97, P102, P103](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/meo-est-p80-p83-p93-p95-p96-p97-p102-p103/33347/5): > > **DISCLAIMER-** Bear in mind that the descriptions below are **MY** experiences with each of these. They may differ from what others experiences are and if you wish to test these unbiased, read no further! My perceptions of these could be WAY off from the actual effects- I just report what **I** sense from them. > > Meo- [Est](https://phera.com/)- Comfort and tying all the other pheros together and reconcile any incompatiblities between different Putative effects > [P80](https://pheromonelabs.com/)- Masculinity and attraction (almost went with P75 but didn’t want too heavy of a Lone Wolf feeling) > [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/)- Disinhibitor (mostly physical) > [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/)- Uplifting and puts people in a good mood but also attractive and more mentally disinhibiting and gives the wearer a high value in the eyes of others (A fun VIP vibe) > [P95](https://pheromonelabs.com/)- Seems to be subtle but works to provide a sense of connection and bonding similar to P96 (I’ve also noticed some attraction when using this by itself) This one always smells like IG to me. > [P96](https://pheromonelabs.com/)- Bonding (especially emotionally) but also seems to provide comfort > [P97](https://pheromonelabs.com/)- Calm, peacefulness that also seems to work like Meo-Est to tie the other pheros together and help move them together in the same direction > [P102](https://pheromonelabs.com/)- Attraction and fun (I get a very similar vibe from P102 and P103) > [P103](https://pheromonelabs.com/)- Attraction and fun but not quite so focused as P102- also seems to be physically disinhibiting) Both P102 and P103 seem to play well together with TUTH or P75/P80 Here is probably one of the best threads I’ve come across on the whole forum: **before we move on, could we review the PUTATIVES ?** ([before we move on, could we review the PUTATIVES ?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/before-we-move-on-could-we-review-the-putatives/476)). Really rich reading here. ---
**Author:** ![Pagodeiro](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pagodeiro/32/1226_2.png) [@Pagodeiro](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pagodeiro)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2011, 12:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/114 "2011-01-22T12:59:33Z")
\*Pagodeiro reported having excellent times with P97, but suggested that it is best used as a troubleshooter for more unruly molecules. His suggestion: 2xTUTH + 15mcg P97. \* P97 ist aside from a very famous molecule an excellent none buffer ! That´s why you had so bad reactions previously … you simple buffered yourself into invisible ! _Other-Effects_\*\* _This really felt like a Dirty Harry kind of mix. People didn’t ignore me so much as they gave me a wide berth. I felt kind of dominant, but in a solitary, devil-may-care sort of way. At one point I passed wind and thought to myself that I’d be amused if anyone heard it._ I know this mix creates a very cocky attitude ! \*After I ordered, a fellow came in to meet the guy sitting one seat over from me on the left. The guy walked over and ordered his beer and kind of stood by the chair for a while. When he finally did sit, he really seemed to make sure to keep his arms in and give me plenty of space. A guy came and sat on my right side and did more or less the same thing. \* Oh yes .. lot´s of respect … is this a bad thing ? \*I sat around eating my burger, and at a certain point the bartender mentioned to the guy on my right that he had managed to get tickets to the Bears-Packers game. I remarked that the game had sold out in 1 minutes. The guys on both side seems gracious about my having made contact, but didn’t seem to have any desire for smalltalk. \* With P97 and None or even better [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) you have to initiate smalltalk but be ensured that people are waiting for you to initiate … _I noticed two mid-30s females eyeing me inscrutably just a little bit from within a 10’ radius._ \*\*_Conclusion_ \* Meh. \* so what can you do to get it working … ? go higher with the P97 or cut down with the TUTH … wait wait .. do you have TUTH 2x ? i use P97 mostly to rebuffer mixes like MX353 after the buffers have diminished and the none in it begins to take over ! Testing sometimes goes wrong ( none overdose ) and with P97 you can save the evening if something went wrong with a mix .. I always carry a togo of P97 with me just for the case .. Would be an option as well to spray a few sprays of P97 into an empty togo and dillute it down to a fifth and then gradually up the dose visiting the restroom until the results shift form a bit hostile to open and friendly ! Pago ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2011, 3:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/115 "2011-01-22T15:35:48Z")
Thanks very much for your feedback, Pago. You have an interesting theory of this molecule. I’ve decided to get an empty togo bottle and some PA so I can test this molecule out in smaller doses and start to understand it better. Oh and in my test I used 1 spray of 5mcg TUTH. I ordered 2.5mcg but ended up getting the free upgrade. The Dirty Harry effect was pretty fun, bit a little too familiar for me. I’m not a big guy, but for some reason am often intimidating, so I’m usually looking for mixes that will increase magnetism without killing my respect. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 9:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/116 "2011-01-24T21:24:17Z")
Great to see you added some of the ones I have in my links file. Might I suggest going to the end of the forum and reading back to the current. You’ll discover gems there that will inspire you to no end. ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2011, 9:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/117 "2011-01-24T21:29:16Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Great to see you added some of the ones I have in my links file. Might I suggest going to the end of the forum and reading back to the current. You’ll discover gems there that will inspire you to no end. I bet! So far I’ve been looking for gems using key search terms, like “symphonic.” I’m sure there’s a lot of richness buried in the forums… such a big forum though! 762 pages of posts in the Men’s Forum alone! - MEN’s Pheromone Advice, Tricks and Tips at [PheromoneTalk.com](http://PheromoneTalk.com) ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2011, 12:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/118 "2011-01-25T00:21:34Z")
Believe me, its WORTH it. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2011, 12:24am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/119 "2011-01-25T00:24:21Z")
BTW here is a real A314 Gem. [AA314 and adding more Rone?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aa314-and-adding-more-rone/46) ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2011, 2:52am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/120 "2011-01-25T02:52:39Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > BTW here is a real A314 Gem. [AA314 and adding more Rone?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/aa314-and-adding-more-rone/46) That is a good one! Makes me wonder what happened to the plan for developing 20 A314-type products for different purposes, each tweaked and debugged until they have deep, complementary, symphonic effects. What happened to the idea of debugging A1? What’s prevented the release of new consumer products over the last few years? ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2011, 10:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/121 "2011-01-25T22:16:06Z")
> [@dbot](#): > > That is a good one! Makes me wonder what happened to the plan for developing 20 A314-type products for different purposes, each tweaked and debugged until they have deep, complementary, symphonic effects. What happened to the idea of debugging A1? What’s prevented the release of new consumer products over the last few years? This post will help explain what happened with it a bit more in detail. Personally I always felt it was a bad move to begin with to shut out an entire loyal customer based because what one or two people were allegedly doing. Nothing like bowing to pressure 🙄. > **[PheromoneTalk](https://pheromonetalk.com/store-announcements-feedback/instant-female-magic-men-31856-3.html)** > > Everything about using pheromones to enhance your social life ---
**Author:** ![mr\_t42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@mr\_t42](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mr_t42)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2011, 12:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/122 "2011-01-26T00:45:40Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > Here’s a tip that Jasmin taught me a long, long time ago, in a city far, far away. Spray one particular chair at the cocktail party with 3 sprays of IO and observe that chair throughout the night.😉 hah! that is pure genius and purely…funny!. It also allows you to make comparisons on a persom/people as an exogenous observer to a degreeI you would need to borrow a two way mirror from Dbot’s colleagues to be the ultimate observer. BTW - anyone reported allergies steve? I had to apply a …words will come…a ?breather? (opens larynx) to a patient with perfume allergies when i was a first responder, guy went into anaphalaxsis. not a fun task…much respect to ladies in those films…_g_ Dbot, loving your diary. quite precise, even if the observations are our own, is this not what we promised? Occasionally I’m going to ask a friend to observe and write up a report…just to see if my take on reality is similar to therirsor if mones are messing my judgement (what does 2+2= ? . Five , at least the main chararacter in orwell’s 1984 is made to swallow and believe this trype). L [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727.md?page=5) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727.md?page=7)