# Dbot's Pheromone Journal **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [December 4, 2010, 6:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727 "2010-12-04T06:29:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 6:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/123 "2011-01-30T06:30:57Z")
I’ve not abandoned my post, I’ve just been studying the shadows. Over the years, pheromone users have commonly noted that pheromones seem to work better on them when they are not freshly showered. It has also been commonly noted that the effects of bright, atypical pheromone notes seem to be more roundly received when used in conjunction with a nice balanced pheromone signature, such as A314. I would like to create a base mix that closely approximates the pheromone output of a healthy adult male. Given the current state of hygiene, this alone should provide excellent attraction and respect hits if done correctly. It could, of course, be tweaked to optimize desirable traits, and used in a dosage which would exceed the average individual’s natural pheromone output but still maintain a goodly approximation of the ratios. I intend to stabilize this mix using tacitus’ long-time favorite fixative, monolaurin, which is reported to help equalize the dispersion rate of pheromone compounds which otherwise display a high level of variance in this trait. It has the added benefits of being good for the skin, and antibacterial enough to practically eliminate on-the-skin conversion. The mix will then be suitable as a solid base layer on which to test molecules and mixes. This should help to level out some of the variance that is often seen between multiple applications of the same products, and could even help to reduce variance between multiple testers. **A Healthy Male’s Natural Pheromone Ratios** This old news (new to me) comes from nbully’s pheromone blog. Please let me know if you are aware of any newer data, particularly data which includes additional molecules: > [@](#): > > Total amount of pheromones present at any time (and total amount generated in a day mentioned in parantheses) on men who produce the highest amount of pheromones from the study by Nixon A, Mallet AI and Gower DB (see below). > > Androstenone = 0.4 (12) mcg > Androstadienone = 3.9 (111) mcg > Beta-Androstadienol = 0.1 (20) mcg > Alpha-Androstenol= 0.5 (47) mcg > Beta-Androstenol = 0.1 (11) mcg > > **Calculations shown below** > > From one of my earlier posts: > > [Simultaneous quantification of five odorous steroi… [J Steroid Biochem. 1988] - PubMed result](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=PubMed&cmd=Retrieve&list_uids=3379959) > > One point to note in this publication: “These findings may indicate the existence of a pathway of metabolism in axillary bacteria in which 4,16-androstadien-3-one is reduced to 5 alpha-androst-16-en-3-one and thence to the 3 alpha- and 3 beta-alcohols.” > > **So effectively it points the possibility of conversion of A1 to androstenone and then to A-nol and B-nol, which means conversion doesn’t just happen from A-nol to -none but may also happen in the opposite direction if I understand correctly.** > > **Now on to the main topic of this post:** > > Quantity of naturally produced mones > Quantities found (pmol/mg.hair, with approximate 24-h totals in parentheses) were: > Androstenone - 5 alpha-androst-16-en-3-one, 0-15 (0-433) > Androstadienone - 4, 16-androstadien-3-one, 0-143 (0-4103) > Beta-Androstadienol - 5,16-androstadien-3 beta-ol, 0-3.5 (0-728) > Alpha-Androstenol- 5 alpha-androst-16-en-3 alpha-ol, 0-17 (0-1752) > Beta-Androstenol - 5 alpha-androst-16-en-3 beta-ol, 0-4 (0-416) > From the study: "Simultaneous quantification of five odorous steroids (16-androstenes) in the axillary hair of men, " Nixon A, Mallet AI and Gower DB, (Division of Biochemistry, United Medical School, Guy’s Hospital, London, England) > > **In the current post I will try to convert these numbers to ‘mcg’ units.** > > 1. Quantities in the paper are given in pmol/mg. > 2. 1 pmol = 10^-12 mol (mole). > 3. 1 mole = the substance’s atomic or molecular mass in grams (For example for C-12 it is 12 grams) > 4. 1 mole contains a total of N atoms/molecules (N being the Avogadro’s constant = 6.022\*10^23). > 5. As seen from my post on Saturday, September 08, 2007, molecular weight of all these common steroids are very close to 270. > 6. So for each steroid 1 pmol = 270_10^-12 grams = 270_10^-9 mg = 270\*10^-6 mcg > > Therefore for these androstenes > > **1 pmol = 270\*10^-6 mcg** > > The amounts are given in pmol/mg of hair. So we have to multiply the amounts with total mg of hair on pheromone generating areas of human body (axillary and pubic hair). Lets use a conservative amount for total amount of axillary and pubic hair as 100 mg (QUANTITATIVE MEASUREMENT OF A SECONDARY SEX CHARACTER, AXILLARY HAIR, [QUANTITATIVE MEASUREMENT OF A SECONDARY SEX CHARACTER, AXILLARY HAIR - Hamilton - 2006 - Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences - Wiley Online Library](http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1749-6632.1951.tb31960.x) says 20.1 mg for axillary hair in under 17, accounting for much more hair after puberty is over we can say it might be approximately 100 mg, but at this point it is a guess only, better estimates are required) > > **Therefore the total amount of pheromones present at any time (and total amount generated in a day mentioned in parantheses) maybe obtained by multiplying the above quantities given in pmol/mg.hair with (270\*10^-6) \* (100). This gives,** > > Androstenone = 0.4 (12) mcg > Androstadienone = 3.9 (111) mcg > Beta-Androstadienol = 0.1 (20) mcg > Alpha-Androstenol= 0.5 (47) mcg > Beta-Androstenol = 0.1 (11) mcg > > Not having the amounts of -rone and DHEA-s slightly mars the excitement, but **the amounts of given pheromones match reasonably well with what we use.** > > Finding the ratios of these using the maximum of the 24-h total amount > > **a-none : a-nol : b-nol : A1 : beta-dienol = 1 : 4.2 : 1 : 9.9 : 1.8 > ~ 1 : 4 : 1 : 10 : 2** > > **Using these ratios when mixing might help in producing a more natural profile.** ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2011, 1:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/124 "2011-02-05T01:51:16Z")
No reports lately because I’ve been couped up inside going stir-crazy. The big blizzard led to what some of my Chicago friends are calling a _snow-day-cation_. Plus, I’m all finished with interviews now and only working 2-3 days a week, and it’s been so cold I have trouble pushing myself to get all bundled up and endure the arctic wind. I have, however, taken to applying a single spray of IG to my chest after showering, just for hanging around the house with my girl. We both like the smell, and I find it adds just a touch of extra warmth and security to the environment for both of us. I consider it pheromone replacement therapy. ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2011, 11:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/125 "2011-02-10T23:05:57Z")
Man, am I sick of this winter. City’s frozen, nothing to do, and now I’m getting ready for a move so I have to be careful with money, too! Anyway, I did manage to test some [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) the other day. **10mcg P83 with 2x LS A314** **Application Points** : A314 behind the ears, P83 to the wrists **Self-effects** : None noticed beyond normal A314 self-effects **Other-effects** : I noticed a kind of short-range magnetism. People who have I have known for a while but never really talked with much seemed to gravitate toward me and spend an unusual amount of time maintaining physical proximity and striking up pleasant chit-chat. It was an enjoyable effect for sure, but I felt like I needed a higher dosage. **SAM2 Mix** Also, I came across this fun-looking mix from snoopyace that will likely be next on my list to try after A314 + MX301. > [@Snoopyace](#): > > Seriously. If you have the means and the know how, try this simple composite. It is basically just Ammo with Beta-androstenol instead of Alpha-Androstenol and the addition of P83 but ohhhh… > > Here is what I put together in a combination of neroli and grapefruit scents (6%)- > > Androstenone 3 mcg > Androsterone 7.5 mcg > Beta-Androstenol- 10 mcg > P83 7.5 mcg > > The results are remarkably similar to the SAM mix (Thanks again for the name K-Train) but I really think I like this one even better! Give it a go and see what you think of it. > > I have seen a lot of interest from women (I had a woman I’d met for the first time 10 minutes prior give me her phone number.) I get a lot of looks (as in looks up and down like I’m a piece of meat- ladies, I know a lot of you don’t like that but I have to tell you, it does wonders for the self esteem). Try this. Once you begin talking to someone they will not want you to leave. > > The Androstenone gives this a sexual drive but also seems to help people see the wearer as a bit more masculine and of higher importance. > > The Androstenone helps with the VIP vibe. Giving the sense of an approachable alpha male and seems to help people feel more comfortable around the wearer. > > Beta-androstenol gives people a feeling of being connected to the wearer. More than just the ‘truth serum’ effect. Makes people feel comfortable and less inhibited. Combined with… > > P83 disinhibits people both verbally as well as physically. I LOVE the combination of P83 (when it is in stock) with Beta-androstenol. It is almost as if the P83, Beta-androstenol and Androsterone give the wearer a sort of mystical, fascinating aura about them that others find very irresistable. When combined with the Androstenone it pushes it more sexual. > > Try it and see for yourselves. After one day wearing this, I know I like it. 🙂 Note that snoopyace reported good results with this composite at 3 sprays. So if I were going for a rough mix from the consumer line… **At 2 sprays that comes to (more or less):** 2xTUTH + 2xIG + 2xIH + 15mcg P83 **If I were going for a higher-end dose I’d probably go with:** 1xIJ + 3xIG + 3xIH + 25mcg P83 ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 9:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/126 "2011-02-14T21:11:22Z")
I **HATE** the winter! I don’t mind hanging in the chalet in Utah by the fire sipping a warm cognac with a Cuban cigar, watching the snow fall while staying toasty warm by the fire. That I don’t mind at all. You can leave though and come back home. This global warming crap is to far fetched for me. Its colder than it has been in a loooooong time. We already had snow twice this year and normally its snows maybe ONCE a year. At this rate I’ll need to move to Phoenix again. I **HATE** the winter! ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2011, 11:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/127 "2011-02-14T23:04:05Z")
> [@Steve](#): > > I **HATE** the winter! I don’t mind hanging in the chalet in Utah by the fire sipping a warm cognac with a Cuban cigar, watching the snow fall while staying toasty warm by the fire. That I don’t mind at all. You can leave though and come back home. This global warming crap is to far fetched for me. Its colder than it has been in a loooooong time. We already had snow twice this year and normally its snows maybe ONCE a year. At this rate I’ll need to move to Phoenix again. I **HATE** the winter! I wanna see how you will do in Canada. LOLL 😃 I’m an EXTREME outdoors person, and it’s snowing for about ~9 months MINMUM in here. -20 to -5 during winter all year. ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2011, 11:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/128 "2011-02-15T23:04:46Z")
> [@PheroJack](#): > > I wanna see how you will do in Canada. LOLL 😃 > I’m an EXTREME outdoors person, and it’s snowing for about ~9 months MINMUM in here. -20 to -5 during winter all year. I survived in NY/NJ all my childhood. Cold winters, snow, bitter wind chill that cuts right through you. No thank you. I can survive and adapt, I’m just not going to like it, nor be very nice to anybody ☹ ---
**Author:** ![PheroJack](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pherojack/32/527_2.png) [@PheroJack](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroJack)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2011, 5:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/129 "2011-03-03T05:01:10Z")
Been time since you last posted man.. are you good? ---
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2011, 12:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/130 "2011-03-05T00:31:46Z")
> [@PheroJack](#): > > Been time since you last posted man.. are you good? Thanks for checking in, PheroJack 🙂 Yes, I’m all good. Life has taken on a life of its own just lately, between finishing my dissertation, managing internship applications, and moving to a new apartment I haven’t had time to check in. I’ll be back among the regulars when things settle down some. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727.md?page=6)