# Dbot's Pheromone Journal **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [December 4, 2010, 6:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727 "2010-12-04T06:29:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 123
**Author:** ![dbot](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dbot/32/1595_2.png) [@dbot](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dbot)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2011, 6:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727/123 "2011-01-30T06:30:57Z")
I’ve not abandoned my post, I’ve just been studying the shadows. Over the years, pheromone users have commonly noted that pheromones seem to work better on them when they are not freshly showered. It has also been commonly noted that the effects of bright, atypical pheromone notes seem to be more roundly received when used in conjunction with a nice balanced pheromone signature, such as A314. I would like to create a base mix that closely approximates the pheromone output of a healthy adult male. Given the current state of hygiene, this alone should provide excellent attraction and respect hits if done correctly. It could, of course, be tweaked to optimize desirable traits, and used in a dosage which would exceed the average individual’s natural pheromone output but still maintain a goodly approximation of the ratios. I intend to stabilize this mix using tacitus’ long-time favorite fixative, monolaurin, which is reported to help equalize the dispersion rate of pheromone compounds which otherwise display a high level of variance in this trait. It has the added benefits of being good for the skin, and antibacterial enough to practically eliminate on-the-skin conversion. The mix will then be suitable as a solid base layer on which to test molecules and mixes. This should help to level out some of the variance that is often seen between multiple applications of the same products, and could even help to reduce variance between multiple testers. **A Healthy Male’s Natural Pheromone Ratios** This old news (new to me) comes from nbully’s pheromone blog. Please let me know if you are aware of any newer data, particularly data which includes additional molecules: > [@](#): > > Total amount of pheromones present at any time (and total amount generated in a day mentioned in parantheses) on men who produce the highest amount of pheromones from the study by Nixon A, Mallet AI and Gower DB (see below). > > Androstenone = 0.4 (12) mcg > Androstadienone = 3.9 (111) mcg > Beta-Androstadienol = 0.1 (20) mcg > Alpha-Androstenol= 0.5 (47) mcg > Beta-Androstenol = 0.1 (11) mcg > > **Calculations shown below** > > From one of my earlier posts: > > [Simultaneous quantification of five odorous steroi… [J Steroid Biochem. 1988] - PubMed result](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=PubMed&cmd=Retrieve&list_uids=3379959) > > One point to note in this publication: “These findings may indicate the existence of a pathway of metabolism in axillary bacteria in which 4,16-androstadien-3-one is reduced to 5 alpha-androst-16-en-3-one and thence to the 3 alpha- and 3 beta-alcohols.” > > **So effectively it points the possibility of conversion of A1 to androstenone and then to A-nol and B-nol, which means conversion doesn’t just happen from A-nol to -none but may also happen in the opposite direction if I understand correctly.** > > **Now on to the main topic of this post:** > > Quantity of naturally produced mones > Quantities found (pmol/mg.hair, with approximate 24-h totals in parentheses) were: > Androstenone - 5 alpha-androst-16-en-3-one, 0-15 (0-433) > Androstadienone - 4, 16-androstadien-3-one, 0-143 (0-4103) > Beta-Androstadienol - 5,16-androstadien-3 beta-ol, 0-3.5 (0-728) > Alpha-Androstenol- 5 alpha-androst-16-en-3 alpha-ol, 0-17 (0-1752) > Beta-Androstenol - 5 alpha-androst-16-en-3 beta-ol, 0-4 (0-416) > From the study: "Simultaneous quantification of five odorous steroids (16-androstenes) in the axillary hair of men, " Nixon A, Mallet AI and Gower DB, (Division of Biochemistry, United Medical School, Guy’s Hospital, London, England) > > **In the current post I will try to convert these numbers to ‘mcg’ units.** > > 1. Quantities in the paper are given in pmol/mg. > 2. 1 pmol = 10^-12 mol (mole). > 3. 1 mole = the substance’s atomic or molecular mass in grams (For example for C-12 it is 12 grams) > 4. 1 mole contains a total of N atoms/molecules (N being the Avogadro’s constant = 6.022\*10^23). > 5. As seen from my post on Saturday, September 08, 2007, molecular weight of all these common steroids are very close to 270. > 6. So for each steroid 1 pmol = 270_10^-12 grams = 270_10^-9 mg = 270\*10^-6 mcg > > Therefore for these androstenes > > **1 pmol = 270\*10^-6 mcg** > > The amounts are given in pmol/mg of hair. So we have to multiply the amounts with total mg of hair on pheromone generating areas of human body (axillary and pubic hair). Lets use a conservative amount for total amount of axillary and pubic hair as 100 mg (QUANTITATIVE MEASUREMENT OF A SECONDARY SEX CHARACTER, AXILLARY HAIR, [QUANTITATIVE MEASUREMENT OF A SECONDARY SEX CHARACTER, AXILLARY HAIR - Hamilton - 2006 - Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences - Wiley Online Library](http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1749-6632.1951.tb31960.x) says 20.1 mg for axillary hair in under 17, accounting for much more hair after puberty is over we can say it might be approximately 100 mg, but at this point it is a guess only, better estimates are required) > > **Therefore the total amount of pheromones present at any time (and total amount generated in a day mentioned in parantheses) maybe obtained by multiplying the above quantities given in pmol/mg.hair with (270\*10^-6) \* (100). This gives,** > > Androstenone = 0.4 (12) mcg > Androstadienone = 3.9 (111) mcg > Beta-Androstadienol = 0.1 (20) mcg > Alpha-Androstenol= 0.5 (47) mcg > Beta-Androstenol = 0.1 (11) mcg > > Not having the amounts of -rone and DHEA-s slightly mars the excitement, but **the amounts of given pheromones match reasonably well with what we use.** > > Finding the ratios of these using the maximum of the 24-h total amount > > **a-none : a-nol : b-nol : A1 : beta-dienol = 1 : 4.2 : 1 : 9.9 : 1.8 > ~ 1 : 4 : 1 : 10 : 2** > > **Using these ratios when mixing might help in producing a more natural profile.** --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dbots-pheromone-journal/43727)._