# Decided not to post Day 8 & 9 due to very ugly results...... **URL:** \ **Category:** Lounge\ **Created:** [May 9, 2008, 10:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/decided-not-to-post-day-8-9-due-to-very-ugly-results/12402 "2008-05-09T22:32:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 8:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/decided-not-to-post-day-8-9-due-to-very-ugly-results/12402/21 "2008-05-10T08:58:14Z")
> [@inkling](#): > > You can spray on as much instant openness as you want but need to ease up greatly on A314 and turn up the heat to see positive results. > > Please test 1 small drop A314 with 4 sprays instant openness. Yeah, that’s my opinion on that matter, too! As I said in my PM some days ago, IMO you should cut down the Androstenone and lower the A314 to an amount that is somehow ‘congruent’ with your age (1 to 2 drops) and use more of the [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/). I have the impression that your friend is the more ‘alpa’ guy in your friendship and your social circle - by wearing a lot of Androstenone and Androsterone you are practically challenging his status towards you - on an unconcious level. Which just might cause him ‘fighting back’… ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 6:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/decided-not-to-post-day-8-9-due-to-very-ugly-results/12402/22 "2008-05-10T18:27:11Z")
I agree with Bob and everyone else. PhatSounds, I’m sorry you had another bad experience, and I know that you don’t want to hear this, but we have been telling you to cut back on the None products for awhile now, and even recommending against using a couple of the products altogether. We are only trying to help you. You have said previously that you are extremely shy, and have little self-confidence. The A314 can give you a bit of a confidence boost, but if you can’t carry of the persona, it’s not going to do affect others much, if at all. The amount of Turn Up The Heat that you’ve worn, combined with A314 is most likely OD levels for you. You should really avoid using Turn Up The Heat altogether for now. I am going to make another recommendation for you: before you invest in any more pheromone purchases, I would strongly suggest that you read at least a book or 2 about building self-confidence and overcoming shyness. I believe that what you are hoping to accomplish through the use of pheromones really needs to start from within, and that before you will start seeing any fantastic results from the pheros, you need to work on overcoming your shyness and self-confidence issues, because I believe they are holding you back more than you realize. I was also very shy and lacked confidence in myself and my social abilities when I was younger. I had only had one girlfriend (sort of) by the time I had finished high school, and was pretty much afraid of girls and rejection. It wasn’t until I was about 21 years old that I really started to make an effort to change, come out of my shell, and start to realize that girls would like me if I just made the effort. Then it was on and I became somewhat of a male slut for the next 10 years or so. But, the changes that transformed me into who and what I am now came from within, and while it did take a lot of work and effort to overcome my weaknesses, my life is 1000% better for putting forth the effort it took. I hope you at least consider what I’ve said and recommended, because I truly believe that you can also transform your life. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 6:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/decided-not-to-post-day-8-9-due-to-very-ugly-results/12402/23 "2008-05-10T18:42:16Z")
I can only underline what Mark said - it’s possibly the best advice that has ever been given to you on this board!!! However, if you decide to purchase more pheromones concentrate on the social formulas. Being a shy guy these may be able to help you a bit on your way to overcome your shyness by making conversations easier. I’m thinking about IO, IH and IS here. They can only help you a little, but the main steps must be taken by yourself! I hope you don’t… errr… get that into the wrong throat as the germans would say… 😃 It’s really well meant advice! All the best bb ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 7:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/decided-not-to-post-day-8-9-due-to-very-ugly-results/12402/24 "2008-05-10T19:02:07Z")
> [@inkling](#): > > I think that could be the reason. He may be feeling threatened by your new pheromone signature. > > You aren’t wearing A314 & turn up the heat at the same time are you? You’re young and have a lot your own natural pheromones right now, perhaps it is too much and you need to use less of the androstenone products and more of the feel good socials like instant shine, openness and honesty. > > Please try using just one drop of A314 paired with openness for a report. I think your friend will feel less threatened and you might be able to recover your friendship if that is what you want. > > There is also build-up to consider, if you’re applying all of these androstenone products make sure to shower well or you might not get all the pheromones off and are wearing more than even you are aware of. Maybe inkling, that could be the reason, he could be threathen by my pheromone signature. I’m wearing A314 & Turn Up The Heat together at the same time inkling. You are right i should have focused much more on Socials. I will think about on your recommendation on applying for my next report. And yes i’m aware that there is a lot of pheromones build up after adding all these androstenone products. That’s why i shower well to get rid all the pheromones & avoid wearing more. Thanks for your concern there 🙂 > [@Phoenix](#): > > There are days when you can’t get what you wish.. > give it enough time, don’t give up. The right person will come along and things will proceed naturally. With the help of pheromones too! > Take courage. I know Phoenix well true there are days when you can’t get what you wish. I will not give up & continue to keep on going even how bad is the situation 🙂 Thanks for your concern appreciate it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 7:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/decided-not-to-post-day-8-9-due-to-very-ugly-results/12402/25 "2008-05-10T19:15:14Z")
> [@deriw](#): > > Agreed with Phoenix, sometimes, you can’t always get what you want… > > ..and well, if your best friend takes a stab on you - shame on him. he was supposed to be your BEST friend, meaning he doesn’t turn on you like an asshole (even under phero influence or not). > > Oh, so he got some **one** to grind on him. Big deal - you’ll get MORE THAN HIM eventually, as you build up your self-portrayal and self-confidence even further with the pheros, heh. Come on, don’t be jealous now - the fact that you have like SO much advice says that you can’t go wrong! Yes i agreed with him there Hot\_wired on you can’t get what you want. You are right on what you said there. Hmm, well he got his ego trip there when he got someone like a hot girl to grind on him badly. Yeah i guess i can get more than him with building up my self protrayal & self confidence with pheros assistance there. Well i did feel jealous & angry there but not not so. I know with so much advices that i get so far i can never go wrong there Thanks to all for the advices given so far 🙂 > [@inkling](#): > > The problem with that Deriw is that phero influence can make a difference in behavior and sometimes it is not always for the good. I myself have been mean and in a bad temper due to something I applied when first using pheromones. I’ve read phatsounds other reports and see advice to use less. Now we’re seeing the result of not using less. > > Try it for yourself and see, too much A314 and or turn up the heat can lead to several different effects. Having a close male friend form a grudge and be cruel is a logic possibility, so is having such a bad experience that you don’t want to post about it. > > Sorry phatsounds, don’t want to hurt your feelings but I do want you to use your pheromones more effectively. At your age anything androstenone less is more. You can spray on as much instant openness as you want but need to ease up greatly on A314 and turn up the heat to see positive results. > > Please test 1 small drop A314 with 4 sprays instant openness. Nah, it’s ok you did not offend me there inkling. You are right on what you said there. I know that you want me to use my pheros more effectively. Yes i get what yoi mean less none more socials. Thanks 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 7:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/decided-not-to-post-day-8-9-due-to-very-ugly-results/12402/26 "2008-05-10T19:24:34Z")
> [@deriw](#): > > inkling.. come to think of it, yes yes. now that sounds familiar… when i first mixed 1 spray of instant jerk with 2 drops of A314… it was very, very bad. i had a horribly bad temper for like.. 2-3 days, and pissed off quite a few people. > > silly me. my first order way back had been Instant Jerk + A314 + Instant Openness. and i liked the scent of Instant Jerk, honestly. hahaha! > > PhatSounds: actually, i think i’m around your age. how old are you again? 😃 Well Hot\_wired as stated in my profile, i’m 23 🙂 > [@Phya](#): > > I agree that larger doses of A314 and Turn Up The Heat together might lead to conscious/unconscious assertions of dominance. If you have Shine and Honesty, this is a good time to use them, although you need to be careful because with Honesty, the two of you might get deeper into a conversations about pheromones, or how he can get girls to grind on him, or what you thought about how he acted, etc… > > An old friend of mine would act like a fool anytime there was a remote pretty girl around us/with us. It got really annoying, he always felt the need to be the ‘big man’ and show us all how much of a man he was. Some guys behave that way when they feel insecure about their dominance. I could easily see how someone might have reacted to a lot of A314 + Turn Up The Heat in a negative, aggressive manner. The pherosig is kinda saying, Hey! PhatSounds the MAN is here! Ladies, get ready, because PS is coming for ya! And your friend was kinda like, hey, wait, look I can get ladies too. I’m a dominant male, look how much attention I can get from the ladies. Hmm phya, so you suggest use less none & use more socials right? Unfortunately i don’t have [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) or shine for now & my togo Instant openness is nearly finished. That’s why i’m waiting fo my credit card replacement for my second order. I will max out the strength of all the social pheros i’m getting. And good advice there 🙂 Now I know why my friend did that. ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 7:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/decided-not-to-post-day-8-9-due-to-very-ugly-results/12402/27 "2008-05-10T19:36:10Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > Yeah, that’s my opinion on that matter, too! As I said in my PM some days ago, IMO you should cut down the Androstenone and lower the A314 to an amount that is somehow ‘congruent’ with your age (1 to 2 drops) and use more of the social pheromones. I have the impression that your friend is the more ‘alpa’ guy in your friendship and your social circle - by wearing a lot of Androstenone and Androsterone you are practically challenging his status towards you - on an unconcious level. Which just might cause him ‘fighting back’… Well yes Bubblebob, you are right on what you say there 🙂 > [@mark-in-dallas](#): > > I agree with Bob and everyone else. > > PhatSounds, I’m sorry you had another bad experience, and I know that you don’t want to hear this, but we have been telling you to cut back on the None products for awhile now, and even recommending against using a couple of the products altogether. > > We are only trying to help you. > > You have said previously that you are extremely shy, and have little self-confidence. The A314 can give you a bit of a confidence boost, but if you can’t carry of the persona, it’s not going to do affect others much, if at all. > > The amount of Turn Up The Heat that you’ve worn, combined with A314 is most likely OD levels for you. You should really avoid using Turn Up The Heat altogether for now. > > I am going to make another recommendation for you: before you invest in any more pheromone purchases, I would strongly suggest that you read at least a book or 2 about building self-confidence and overcoming shyness. > > I believe that what you are hoping to accomplish through the use of pheromones really needs to start from within, and that before you will start seeing any fantastic results from the pheros, you need to work on overcoming your shyness and self-confidence issues, because I believe they are holding you back more than you realize. > > I was also very shy and lacked confidence in myself and my social abilities when I was younger. I had only had one girlfriend (sort of) by the time I had finished high school, and was pretty much afraid of girls and rejection. It wasn’t until I was about 21 years old that I really started to make an effort to change, come out of my shell, and start to realize that girls would like me if I just made the effort. Then it was on and I became somewhat of a male slut for the next 10 years or so. > > But, the changes that transformed me into who and what I am now came from within, and while it did take a lot of work and effort to overcome my weaknesses, my life is 1000% better for putting forth the effort it took. > > I hope you at least consider what I’ve said and recommended, because I truly believe that you can also transform your life. My big thanks there UKE, you touched me there with what you said there 🙂 Yes i must make an effort to change myself & overcome my extreme shyness there. I will follow those advices that you give me closely. For the book that you said to overcome shyness & building confidence, i have been reading a E book now on that. Yes i have decided to cut down my none now. As for against using a couple of products i will think about it. Thanks 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 7:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/decided-not-to-post-day-8-9-due-to-very-ugly-results/12402/28 "2008-05-10T19:43:47Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > I can only underline what Mark said - it’s possibly the best advice that has ever been given to you on this board!!! > > However, if you decide to purchase more pheromones concentrate on the social formulas. Being a shy guy these may be able to help you a bit on your way to overcome your shyness by making conversations easier. I’m thinking about Instant Openness, Instant Honesty and IS here. They can only help you a little, but the main steps must be taken by yourself! > > I hope you don’t… errr… get that into the wrong throat as the germans would say… 😃 It’s really well meant advice! > > All the best > bb Yes Bubblebob, i know that UKE(mark) has given me the best advice there & i appreciate that so much from him. May God bless him 🙂 He is a good & helpful guy. Anyway thanks for the recommendations of the Instant line. Yes i know the pheros can help but the main effort is me to overcome my shyness & building up my confidence there. Nah, i know bubblebob that you just want to give a well meant advice there. Thanks 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jamesbonded](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jamesbonded/32/2090_2.png) [@jamesbonded](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesbonded)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 9:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/decided-not-to-post-day-8-9-due-to-very-ugly-results/12402/29 "2008-05-10T21:05:00Z")
Forget the incident, carry on with your life and phero testing ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 9:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/decided-not-to-post-day-8-9-due-to-very-ugly-results/12402/30 "2008-05-10T21:12:06Z")
> [@jamesbonded](#): > > Forget the incident, carry on with your life and phero testing Yeah, i guess so bro. Thanks for your concern 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jamesbonded](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jamesbonded/32/2090_2.png) [@jamesbonded](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jamesbonded)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2008, 9:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/decided-not-to-post-day-8-9-due-to-very-ugly-results/12402/31 "2008-05-10T21:19:23Z")
> [@PhatSounds](#): > > Yeah, i guess so bro. Thanks for your concern 🙂 you are most welcome [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/decided-not-to-post-day-8-9-due-to-very-ugly-results/12402.md?page=1)