# Detecting individual differences in olfactory/pheromonal components **URL:** \ **Category:** Studies & Abstracts\ **Created:** [September 19, 2007, 10:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/detecting-individual-differences-in-olfactory-pheromonal-components/5614 "2007-09-19T22:55:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jvkohl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jvkohl/32/1297_2.png) [@jvkohl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jvkohl)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2007, 10:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/detecting-individual-differences-in-olfactory-pheromonal-components/5614/1 "2007-09-19T22:55:08Z")
[Detection of manipulation in doping control urine …[Anal Bioanal Chem. 2007] - PubMed Result](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=17260133&ordinalpos=10&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum) “Ratios of various urinary steroidal compounds are of particular stability and significance, especially… androsterone/etiocholanolone (A/E)… which provide valuable information that allows the assignment of a urine specimen to a particular person or the identification of urine samples with identical steroid profiles.” Theoretically, A/E ratios are an indicator of testosterone associated masculinity/dominance, which is associated with human [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) production (e.g, androsterone). These study findings attest to the fact that the A/E ratio is, with other measures, very specific to any individual’s level of hormone production. The individual could be singled out from the steroid profiles of 14,224 others, which led to the punishment of three competitors who were attempting to beat illegal testosterone supplementation (i.e., “doping”) detection methods. If an individual merely wanted to enhance his natural masculine scent signature, and “smell” like he had a higher testosterone level, theoretically, he could simply use a product containing androsterone. Note that -none is not mentioned as a measure. Thus, theoretically,compared to androsterone, -none could be an indicator of masculinity/dominance in pigs that might make a man smell like a pig. My point, paying attention to the science of human pheromone theory could, theoretically, keep you from smelling like a pig. James V. Kohl The Scent of Eros ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2007, 11:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/detecting-individual-differences-in-olfactory-pheromonal-components/5614/2 "2007-09-19T23:25:40Z")
AND, I seem to remember that the A/E ratio has something to do with Gay/Straight men. The E being higher in gay men, if I remember right. ---
**Author:** ![jvkohl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jvkohl/32/1297_2.png) [@jvkohl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jvkohl)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2007, 11:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/detecting-individual-differences-in-olfactory-pheromonal-components/5614/3 "2007-09-19T23:43:52Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > AND, I seem to remember that the A/E ratio has something to do with Gay/Straight men. The E being higher in gay men, if I remember right. [Margolese MS, Janiger O.](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=4718836&ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum) Androsterone-etiocholanolone ratios in male homosexuals. Br Med J. 1973 Jul 28;3(5873):207-10. You may be on to something. Where did you learn about this? When? James V. Kohl ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 12:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/detecting-individual-differences-in-olfactory-pheromonal-components/5614/4 "2007-09-20T00:05:54Z")
> [@jvkohl](#): > > You may be on to something. Where did you learn about this? When? As I recall, it was something you posted, back on the LS site a couple of years ago. Plus I re-researched it a few months ago here when someone was blathering about being gay being a choice with no basis in nature. I mean, if it is a choice how do you explain differences in pheromone ratios and brains “lighting up” in the way they do, gay men like women’s and lesbian women like straight men?? ---
**Author:** ![jvkohl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jvkohl/32/1297_2.png) [@jvkohl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jvkohl)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 12:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/detecting-individual-differences-in-olfactory-pheromonal-components/5614/5 "2007-09-20T00:59:57Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > As I recall, it was something you posted, back on the LS site a couple of years ago. Plus I re-researched it a few months ago here when someone was blathering about being gay being a choice with no basis in nature. I mean, if it is a choice how do you explain differences in pheromone ratios and brains “lighting up” in the way they do, gay men like women’s and lesbian women like straight men?? Nice to learn that someone (i.e., you) is paying attention, and actually learning more about human [pheromones](https://a314.com/), rather than simply buying into a product, like Pheros, which contains pheromone analogues (e.g., ingredients, like musk, commonly found in fragrance products). Someone needs to ask that guy: “What are the pheromones in Pheros?” Meanwhile, I detailed all the “hard” science associations among pheromones and male sexual orientation in my last publication: [The Haworth Press Online Catalog: Article Abstract](http://www.haworthpress.com/store/ArticleAbstract.asp?sid=F1AJ71WMKCP48HTMPW51HDT2GP7Q5DS7&ID=90566) Even if Savic’s data on lesbians had been published prior to my article’s submission, I doubt that I would have included it, since the article was already too long and technical. But when she publishes on transsexuals, it will probably be time to write another long article that better details how the sexual preferences of females develop. Of historical interest may be the fact that my former genetics professor: the late Dr. Leonard Storm, called my attention to works by Margolese, and then by Margolese with Janiger following a presentation I made on human pheromones. That was in 1991 as I recall. I went to his office the next day, and he gave me his copies of the nearly two-decades old original articles, and a write up that appeared in Newsweek. I’ve known some amazing people, but few with organizational skills and recall that would allow them to find and provide such “dated” articles. James V. Kohl The Scent of Eros ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2007, 5:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/detecting-individual-differences-in-olfactory-pheromonal-components/5614/6 "2007-09-20T17:00:42Z")
> [@jvkohl](#): > > Nice to learn that someone (i.e., you) is paying attention, and actually learning more about human pheromones, rather than simply buying into a product, like Pheros, which contains pheromone analogues (e.g., ingredients, like musk, commonly found in fragrance products). Hate to mention this, but I just ordered some Pheros, for its scent, not for its “pheromones”. ---
**Author:** ![jvkohl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jvkohl/32/1297_2.png) [@jvkohl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jvkohl)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2007, 2:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/detecting-individual-differences-in-olfactory-pheromonal-components/5614/7 "2007-09-21T02:17:19Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > Hate to mention this, but I just ordered some Pheros, for its scent, not for its “pheromones”. Hope you get what you paid for; and that others know what they’re getting. Don’t all the other products advertised over there contain pheromones, or minimally (as advertised here) putatives? James V. Kohl The Scent of Eros ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2007, 5:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/detecting-individual-differences-in-olfactory-pheromonal-components/5614/8 "2007-09-21T17:04:25Z")
> [@jvkohl](#): > > Don’t all the other products advertised over there contain pheromones, or minimally (as advertised here) putatives? Mostly, but not all. There are some other “cover scents” sold there as well as Pheros which is advertised as a “cover scent”.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jvkohl](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jvkohl/32/1297_2.png) [@jvkohl](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jvkohl)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2007, 2:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/detecting-individual-differences-in-olfactory-pheromonal-components/5614/9 "2007-09-22T02:19:25Z")
> [@Mtnjim](#): > > Mostly, but not all. There are some other “cover scents” sold there as well as Pheros which is advertised as a “cover scent”.🙂 Something may have changed. I thought it was initially and perhaps still advertised to contain pheromone analogues, which is more suggestive of a pheromone-enhanced fragrance product than merely a fragrance product (i.e., cover scent) like any other fragrance product. James V. Kohl The Scent of Eros ---
**Author:** ![xpomg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/f14d63/32.png) [@xpomg](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/xpomg)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2008, 7:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/detecting-individual-differences-in-olfactory-pheromonal-components/5614/10 "2008-01-03T07:59:36Z")
> [@](#): > > If an individual merely wanted to enhance his natural masculine scent signature, and “smell” like he had a higher testosterone level, theoretically, he could simply use a product containing androsterone. Um don’t we already know this??? > [@](#): > > Note that -none is not mentioned as a measure. Thus, theoretically,compared to androsterone, -none could be an indicator of masculinity/dominance in pigs that might make a man smell like a pig. > > My point, paying attention to the science of human pheromone theory could, theoretically, keep you from smelling like a pig. However since what we’re referring to isn’t actually a scent, who cares if you smell like a pig (unless you live and a pig farm and pigs are raping you because of it)?