# DHEA, 7-keto DHEA **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 4, 2006, 1:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dhea-7-keto-dhea/79 "2006-01-04T01:37:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 12
**Author:** ![MHarris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mharris/32/2107_2.png) [@MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MHarris)\ **Post date:** [January 6, 2006, 9:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dhea-7-keto-dhea/79/12 "2006-01-06T21:07:31Z")
> [@PheroQuirk](#): > > Thanks for the colour on legal situation (scary stuff!) and bacterial feedstocks. > > Some countries have less regulated markets at retail level - in many countries I suppose androstenedione and even injectable androgens are legal and might even be sold OTC. > > Do you see any specific effects from these compounds that are different from those of their derivatives? I’m not partic interested to try, but curious to understand how effects change as you move down the metabolic chain. Some of the precursors used by body builders are less than optimal pheromonally. I never delved deeply into them. Many are as exciting as DHEA… i.e., they appear to do _something_, but, the investment of time necessary to determine exactly that something is, isn’t as rewarding as compared to some of the other available molecules. There’s more action in the downstream pheromones than the anabolic precursors, and also less likelihood they’ll mess with your own hormone levels in undersirable ways. However, real testosterone is another thing entirely. The real deal of male hormones does seem to act as an potent masculine pheromone worthy of use. If you can obtain that legally in your country, I would say that personal experimentation with it as a mone may be fruitful. --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dhea-7-keto-dhea/79)._