# Did the alcohol do it or the pheromones? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 5, 2009, 11:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-alcohol-do-it-or-the-pheromones/34643 "2009-12-05T11:43:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![NIGHTistheNEWDAY](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/nightisthenewday/32/2148_2.png) [@NIGHTistheNEWDAY](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NIGHTistheNEWDAY)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 11:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-alcohol-do-it-or-the-pheromones/34643/1 "2009-12-05T11:43:48Z")
Soo, quick summary on this. Me and this other girl have known each other quite a while, we flirt all the time and spend a bunch of time together. We usually go out on a couple casual dinner dates every once in a while, nothing too serious. Anyway, we decided not to meet up tonight and do our own thing, soo i went out to a studio that a couple of guys and I own and we invited a bunch of people over and just laid back and drank alittle (No [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) applied as of yet). Almost 2 hours later, I get a call from the girl, she’s asking me to come get her because she is piss drunk and her friend passed out on the seat. So i say what the heck and apply some sprays, I used 2 sprays of IG on my neck, 2 sprays of CTTM2 to my hair and 1 spray of TUTH to my chest. I then show up to pick her up and she is just constantly getting into detail about how she never does things like this (getting drunk and what not) and just keeps throwing apologies my way. I pull over to the side of the road and grab coffee to sober her up. When i come back, she’s in the front seat just smiling. As soon as i sit down she starts sniffing my neck almost as if she was following the TUTH scent, then comes back up for a kiss. Not just a regular kiss, there was some tounge, lip biting and it was just downright sloppy. Now she is generally a shy kind of girl, or around me at least, soo i wasn’t even expecting any behavior like this. Which brings me down to the question, The alcohol or the pheromones? …haha i always forgot to mention that this was all going on with a passed out girl almost right under us. ---
**Author:** ![TroubleSome](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/91b2a8/32.png) [@TroubleSome](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TroubleSome)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 12:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-alcohol-do-it-or-the-pheromones/34643/2 "2009-12-05T12:38:01Z")
In my opinion, alcohol was the major component that made her lose her inhibitions, and then she was pushed over the edge by the TUTH ---
**Author:** ![Casanova](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/casanova/32/621_2.png) [@Casanova](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Casanova)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 1:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-alcohol-do-it-or-the-pheromones/34643/3 "2009-12-05T13:11:24Z")
Well It’s hard to say why she was so chatty but good old alchohol does this and in combination with cttm2 it’s understandable why she explained so much what she usually does and does not.As for the kissing and tuth - well you applied 1 spray tuth but it was mostly IG and CTTM2 so I gues that she usually likes you and even tiny ammount of tuth and some social and laid back pheromones + alcohol made her jump on you.Better get this girl on a date ( not just some dinner now and then ) and you two not to be drunk ( at least at the beggining ) as to see if she’s really into you.Just try to get her - make kino, hugs, kiss close - all the stuff.I doubt she will resist- pheros or not , alcohol or not.Just be passionate as to overcome the shyness witch wasn’t present when she was drunk and you used the pheromone edge.So it means you have a chance - but try at first she not to be drunk.If you get treated the same way when u both sober - she’s your girl. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2009, 4:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-alcohol-do-it-or-the-pheromones/34643/4 "2009-12-05T16:14:05Z")
Booze, mones and women go together like hand 'n glove. Mones are often ineffective because our “social filters” suppress biological urges. She thinks, “ah wants ta have his baby.” But, once the filter kicks in she reflects, “better ignore him or play hard to get or he and/or my friends will think I’m a hoe.” Booze is a wonderful tool as it disables or weakens social filters, allowing candid thoughts and biological urges to the fore. So if she’s into you, she’ll let you know after a session with Jack Daniels or a pitcher of Blue Moon. Of course, mones and booze will not do squat if she’s not into you. And, worse, with social filters off she can be downright rude and tell you to “fuck off toad man” when she’d normally be politely cold. ---
**Author:** ![Unique](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/unique/32/935_2.png) [@Unique](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Unique)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 1:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-alcohol-do-it-or-the-pheromones/34643/5 "2009-12-06T01:32:40Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Booze, mones and women go together like hand 'n glove. > > Mones are often ineffective because our “social filters” suppress biological urges. She thinks, “ah wants ta have his baby.” But, once the filter kicks in she reflects, “better ignore him or play hard to get or he and/or my friends will think I’m a hoe.” > > Booze is a wonderful tool as it disables or weakens social filters, allowing candid thoughts and biological urges to the fore. So if she’s into you, she’ll let you know after a session with Jack Daniels or a pitcher of Blue Moon. Of course, mones and booze will not do squat if she’s not into you. And, worse, with social filters off she can be downright rude and tell you to “fuck off toad man” when she’d normally be politely cold. Agreed they definitely go hand in hand Honestly my answer to this thread would be both! ---
**Author:** ![catlord17](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@catlord17](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/catlord17)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 10:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-alcohol-do-it-or-the-pheromones/34643/6 "2009-12-06T10:26:26Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > Booze, mones and women go together like hand 'n glove. > > Mones are often ineffective because our “social filters” suppress biological urges. She thinks, “ah wants ta have his baby.” But, once the filter kicks in she reflects, “better ignore him or play hard to get or he and/or my friends will think I’m a hoe.” > > Booze is a wonderful tool as it disables or weakens social filters, allowing candid thoughts and biological urges to the fore. So if she’s into you, she’ll let you know after a session with Jack Daniels or a pitcher of Blue Moon. Of course, mones and booze will not do squat if she’s not into you. And, worse, with social filters off she can be downright rude and tell you to “fuck off toad man” when she’d normally be politely cold. I agree with most of what you say, completely. However, I have had consistent and extremely good success with generating sexual, romantic and/or social interest in women who are otherwise neutral using mones alone. Throw in alcohol and that’s all she wrote. I think it’s just a matter of tailoring the mones to the woman’s genetic “target signature”. If you don’t figure out what her target signature is, and replicate it with the right mones and ratios, you’ll get some other response. But every time I figure out what a woman’s target signature is and replicate it, I get rapid, definite and obvious displays of interest in whatever direction I am aiming for. And I am talking nearly every woman I have encountered and figured this out for. I even had relatives responding with interest a couple of times when I hit the right “notes” accidentally. So to answer the parent post’s question, was it mones or alcohol? There is only one answer: Yes. But be careful playing with drunk girls. Especially if you use mones on 'em. That is a very dangerous thing to do. All it takes is one girl claiming you acted inappropriately, or even making something up along those lines, and you are in a world of hurt as a man these days. Better to be safe than sorry, I think. Gegogi has apparently had better luck with women than I have, because he finds it is not a problem. I, however, have seen friends of mine end up with reputations destroyed, children taken away, jobs lost and even charges of rape and worse. ---
**Author:** ![Casanova](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/casanova/32/621_2.png) [@Casanova](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Casanova)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 10:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-alcohol-do-it-or-the-pheromones/34643/7 "2009-12-06T10:59:09Z")
Well yes - it is not good to mess with drunk girls because they are not capable of making good decision and it can turn into a legal problem.At least do not do it while being sober cause being sober and getting laid with drunk girl is like using that circumstance witch is unlawful. As for both being drunk - well then it’s hard to say who’s using who. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![NIGHTistheNEWDAY](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/nightisthenewday/32/2148_2.png) [@NIGHTistheNEWDAY](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NIGHTistheNEWDAY)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 4:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-alcohol-do-it-or-the-pheromones/34643/8 "2009-12-06T16:10:37Z")
Thanks for all the extra input, guys. As of yesterday it’s looking like she doesn’t remember most of the night. Now from past experiences, this could be true or could be a game in which she’s trying to get me to bring what happened and have a little discussion. Unfortunately, the only details i remember are the ones included in the post. As for creating a target signature, I’m still in the process. The first night we met up, I used 2 drops of A314, 4 sprays of CTTM2, and 1 spray of TUTH. That earned me some cuddling and a kiss. She is 21, Hispanic, Great body, but a sometimes shy interior. I own IO 2x, IH 2x, IJ, CTTM2, A314, IG and TUTH. Any input on a [pheromone](https://a314.com/) signature for this one would be great even if it means getting new ones 🙂. ---
**Author:** ![M\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@M\_M](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/M_M)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 4:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-alcohol-do-it-or-the-pheromones/34643/9 "2009-12-06T16:13:33Z")
B..O..T..H!!! 😉 _ **“A drunk man’s words and actions are a sober man’s thoughts!”** _ You can insert ‘WOMAN’S’ in the word ‘man’s’ place. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 5:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-alcohol-do-it-or-the-pheromones/34643/10 "2009-12-06T17:13:48Z")
I guess Catlord doesn’t hang in bars too much! I love to drink and enjoy my beverages daily with friends, both male and female. No problems with “reputations destroyed, children taken away, jobs lost and even charges of rape and worse” yet. The key is, like most things, moderation and the right time and place. Obviously, drinking is not normally smart at work or in church, and too much, like too much food or water, can kill you. > [@](#): > > Catlord writes, “I think it’s just a matter of tailoring the mones to the woman’s genetic “target signature”. If you don’t figure out what her target signature is, and replicate it with the right mones and ratios, you’ll get some other response.” While adjusting your phero sig for a particular woman’s genetic “target signature” sounds good, it is not practical or desirable for most of us. So I’m sitting in a bar, putting on a good buzz, sight a desirable female, analyze her (sniff 'n lick?) and blaze to the men’s room and spray 'n pray? I’m sorry, but singling a woman out for genetic profiling, tailoring your phero sig to her and pheromonally stalking her means you need something else to do. Personally I wear mones to enhance my general appeal professionally and socially. I want to reach and influence the most people, and success flows from that. I don’t want to mess with my cool vibe merely to get the attention of an individual woman with strangle genes. Whatever shortcomings in your phero sig you can easily make up for in other areas such as persona, status and social skills. If that’s not enough, I’d say you were wasting your time anyway.