# Did the n00b phero baptism, now trying to find limits....please help **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 18, 2008, 7:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-n00b-phero-baptism-now-trying-to-find-limits-please-help/19822 "2008-09-18T19:07:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![foshoei](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9de0a6/32.png) [@foshoei](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/foshoei)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 7:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-n00b-phero-baptism-now-trying-to-find-limits-please-help/19822/1 "2008-09-18T19:07:58Z")
Hey everyone, So I got in my little ToGo’s of Instant Honesty, Instant Openess, Ammunition, TUTH, [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), and Instant Shine last week. I actually got the Instant Female Magic as a freebie from Androtics, so thanks for that! (Their service is surprisingly awesome!) Well, I did the n00b pheromone shower the first day and sprayed myself once with each phero I had then went out clubbing. Little to effect, at least from what I noticed…it was like any other night out hanging with friends. So now, I’m deciding to to do what everyone is suggestion and testing each one out one by one. My first one is Instant Openess, and I started with 1 spray, going up by one each day and am now up to 4 sprays today. I usually spray on my wrists and the crooks of my arms. So far, I have not noticed anything different in my work or social environment from wearing IO. Am I doing something wrong, or am I just oblivious to the signs? I was looking for signs of people being more talkative towards me, and well…more open haha. But its really no different from any normal day for me. 😕 Please help, thanks in advance! -FoShoei ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 7:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-n00b-phero-baptism-now-trying-to-find-limits-please-help/19822/2 "2008-09-18T19:28:22Z")
Hey Foshoei, You are doing alright. wear the 4 sprays for another day or two and then don’t wear any [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) for a couple of days. Try to compare the overall way others treat you, not just how many people started talking. You’ll get the feeling for what’s going on. Have fun and good luck! ---
**Author:** ![foshoei](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9de0a6/32.png) [@foshoei](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/foshoei)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 7:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-n00b-phero-baptism-now-trying-to-find-limits-please-help/19822/3 "2008-09-18T19:33:17Z")
Thanks for the tip renny! I’ll try it at 4 sprays for tomorrow, and then go the weekend without wearing any and see if that helps…I hope I’m not oblivious to it haha. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 7:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-n00b-phero-baptism-now-trying-to-find-limits-please-help/19822/4 "2008-09-18T19:55:55Z")
Also remember to watch out for how the conversations you do have go when IO is on and when it is off… do people tend to blather or add irrelevant bits of information into the conversation. Remember, generally speaking someone needs to be around you for long enough that your pherocloud affects them so unless you are sitting right beside them for awhile you might not see people just randomly starting conversations with you. ---
**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 9:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-n00b-phero-baptism-now-trying-to-find-limits-please-help/19822/5 "2008-09-18T21:24:24Z")
> [@foshoei](#): > > Thanks for the tip renny! I’ll try it at 4 sprays for tomorrow, and then go the weekend without wearing any and see if that helps…I hope I’m not oblivious to it haha. Just be sure you are comparing apples to apples as far as possible. You might also consider not wearing IO in the mornng and then applying during you afternoon break and seeing if things change. Or putting them on during a social function to see what changes. Mostly have fun with pheromones. They make a great excuse to be socially experimental. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 10:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-n00b-phero-baptism-now-trying-to-find-limits-please-help/19822/6 "2008-09-18T22:04:45Z")
IO works best in hair, on neck or chest. The wrists are not my favorite application point, Mones dont seem to diffuse from there as well as larger areas of the body. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![savior1110](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@savior1110](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/savior1110)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2008, 10:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-n00b-phero-baptism-now-trying-to-find-limits-please-help/19822/7 "2008-09-18T22:23:35Z")
yea don’t look for completely obvious hits. You’re doing everything well so dont worry about it. look for the subtle hits and you’ll see that theyre working ---
**Author:** ![Trantorx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/13edae/32.png) [@Trantorx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Trantorx)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2008, 9:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-n00b-phero-baptism-now-trying-to-find-limits-please-help/19822/8 "2008-09-19T09:47:13Z")
arent the wrists the only available place in fall or winter? Otherwise you had to spray on your clothes? Backhand seemed a good place for me besides the wrists. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2008, 4:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-n00b-phero-baptism-now-trying-to-find-limits-please-help/19822/9 "2008-09-19T16:58:19Z")
> [@Trantorx](#): > > arent the wrists the only available place in fall or winter? > Otherwise you had to spray on your clothes? > > Backhand seemed a good place for me besides the wrists. spraying on your chest or shoulders is ok with a lighter weight shirt, a sweater or sweatshirt would cause more diffusion problems. under clothes is ok, discussion is slower and more controlled, unlike Tisha I tend to like having a little phero on my wrists, as they are easier to get closer to a someone’s personal space, and closer to their nose. Although overall room difsussion seems greater from head and neck applications. Behind/backside of the ears seems to have a good effect too. ---
**Author:** ![foshoei](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9de0a6/32.png) [@foshoei](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/foshoei)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2008, 6:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-n00b-phero-baptism-now-trying-to-find-limits-please-help/19822/10 "2008-09-19T18:56:46Z")
Thanks for all the replies! I’ll definitely try to us IO on my neck or chest to see if the results change…I’m not sure if this is considered a hit or not, but this attractive girl I work with (whom I normally don’t talk to) actually made some random conversation with me in the elevator today. Is that what IO usually does, just spur random convos with people who normally aren’t inclined to speak? Well, either way…I think I’m starting to distinguish what effects IO has in a social environment. Thanks for your help everyone! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2008, 7:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-n00b-phero-baptism-now-trying-to-find-limits-please-help/19822/11 "2008-09-19T19:05:19Z")
That’s is the IO working, elevators are a trap for pheromones, and you have a couple of minutes for them to take effect. It’s more of an I need to say something response, some people it’s just “Hi, how are you?” with other’s its various things they know you normally like. one of the guys I work with will drop by my desk when I wear IO and say various new items, quotes from the paper, etc. CTTM is a more have to keep a conversation hit, IO is say something. ---
**Author:** ![foshoei](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9de0a6/32.png) [@foshoei](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/foshoei)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2008, 5:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-n00b-phero-baptism-now-trying-to-find-limits-please-help/19822/12 "2008-09-22T17:49:41Z")
Thanks for the info, I had a chance to go out this weekend and did one shot of ammo to the chest (togo) and one shot of instant shine (togo) to the back of the neck and io to my neck and actually got some hits! I don’t know if it may have been the environment (college bar) but girls that I had just met that night were extra hands on, flirty, and very talkative. Dancing was a noticeable improvement too…they were grinding on me like mad, more than what I’m usually accustomed to hehe. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![foshoei](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9de0a6/32.png) [@foshoei](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/foshoei)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2008, 6:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-n00b-phero-baptism-now-trying-to-find-limits-please-help/19822/13 "2008-09-22T18:03:15Z")
One more question for the masses out there…is it possible to OD on IO, IH, or IS? Thanks! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2008, 6:10pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-n00b-phero-baptism-now-trying-to-find-limits-please-help/19822/14 "2008-09-22T18:10:50Z")
> [@foshoei](#): > > One more question for the masses out there…is it possible to OD on Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, or IS? Thanks! 😃 It is but the signs of the OD are not as obvious as the signs of a -none OD, such as TUTH or A314. You will find everyone talking to you, not just everyone you want. ---
**Author:** ![savior1110](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@savior1110](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/savior1110)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2008, 7:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/did-the-n00b-phero-baptism-now-trying-to-find-limits-please-help/19822/15 "2008-09-22T19:22:48Z")
hey nice to hear you got some hits!