# Difference between these?

**URL:** <https://pheromonetalk.com/t/difference-between-these/29122>\
**Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\
**Created:** [May 19, 2009, 7:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/difference-between-these/29122 "2009-05-19T19:57:59Z")\
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**Author:** ![MadVlrus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@MadVlrus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadVlrus)\
**Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 7:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/difference-between-these/29122/1 "2009-05-19T19:57:59Z")

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Hey guys 🙂

I am not that well experienced with pheromones at all and, after reading the forum, am quite a bit confused about some pheromones and what the differences are.

The thing I am confused about are:  
\> What’s teh difference between A314, Instant Shine, Instant Openness, Instant Honesty and [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/)?  
They all just seem to ‘make poeple feel more comfortable’ :S

Also what is the difference between:  
Ammunition and Turn Up the Heat?  
These two both seem to be arousing…

As far as I know, in order to attract girls I need to be wearing one ‘arousing’ pheromone and one ‘comfort’ pheromone… but I really cannot choose because to me they kinda sound the same… :S

So a nice discription and comparisons would be very welcome 😛

Thank u 🙂

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**Author:** ![TheCentaur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@TheCentaur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCentaur)\
**Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 9:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/difference-between-these/29122/2 "2009-05-19T21:43:09Z")

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wow. loaded question. how long is a piece of string?

the short answer is: alot

if the only reason for grouping them into a category is because they “make you comfortable or aroused” then I think you missed the subtlety of each [pheromone](https://a314.com/).

if I were to toss you into a mosh pit with a fluffy down pillow, wouldn’t you be comfortable? I’ve met your requirements, since that’s what a pillow accomplishes.  
do the same thing in front of a warm fire, and the response is different, though the pillow is the same.

Ammo is socially sexual, turn Up The Heat is blatantly sexual. you wouldn’t walk up to a girl and say “wanna f\*\*\*?” even though you’d get lots of action, you’d also get slapped a lot. you might even get ignored.

Ammo would say “I’m sexy, your sexy, just let that thought stick for a while…” you’re being socially sexy, which in my book is called “attractive”

I cannot comment on a314, because I dont own it, but just as different levels of sex appear with pheros, different levels and types of comfort appear with the socials. instant Shine “brightens your day”  
instant openness says “I’m comfortable talking with you”  
instant honesty is “I’m comfortable sharing things with you”  
instant Gentleman is “I’m comfortable feeling safe with you”

as far as finding the right combo to wear, it depends on how YOU act when the pheros open the encounter. often the advice here is to start with the light hearted ones, then work your way into more serious pheros once you know how to use them. they will not do the work for you, they will only enhance what you already are, and make the opportunities for you to interact more frequent.

there are tonnes of posts about how to go about doing this, and many more that describe, with more subtle, accurat means, the differences between them. the search tool is your friend.

welcome to the forums. head over to the new user section, read the rules, and tell us a bit about yourself for a free Gift certificate.

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**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\
**Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 10:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/difference-between-these/29122/3 "2009-05-19T22:19:44Z")

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[quote=“TheCentaur”]

they will not do the work for you, they will only enhance what you already are, and make the opportunities for you to interact more frequent.  
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i always get a bit confused when i read that…if a pheromone turns a girl on who otherwise wouldn’t be turned on without wearing it, isn’t it doing the work for you?

i guess i’m asking what’s the definition of “work” in they wont do the work for you.

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**Author:** ![TheCentaur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@TheCentaur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCentaur)\
**Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 10:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/difference-between-these/29122/4 "2009-05-19T22:22:07Z")

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get out and interact with people, create situations for the pheros to enhance. if you just walk into a room and expect everyone to open for you and pounce on you, you will be waiting a loooong time.

pheros turn people on, but they need to know WHERE it’s coming from in order to form a connection. if you just sit there, she’ll stare. .wait… and give up.  
…or she’ll just hook up with whomever was next to you that did respond.

yep, it’s happened before here.

you’re the driver, step on the gas and you’ll go places.

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**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\
**Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 10:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/difference-between-these/29122/5 "2009-05-19T22:24:32Z")

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> [@TheCentaur](#):
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> get out and interact with people, create situations for the pheros to enhance. if you just walk into a room and expect everyone to open for you and pounce on you, you will be waiting a loooong time.
> 
> you’re the driver, step on the gas and you’ll go places.

so basically it’s your job to get the ball rolling, and the pheros make the ball go a lot further?

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**Author:** ![TheCentaur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@TheCentaur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCentaur)\
**Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 10:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/difference-between-these/29122/6 "2009-05-19T22:30:07Z")

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exactly. turbo boost. not mind control. pheros send signals, not actions. she can choose to act on those signals from you, and you can act based on what you are wearing.

useful thread search: congruency. matching your actions to the signal you are sending.

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**Author:** ![meow333x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@meow333x](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/meow333x)\
**Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 10:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/difference-between-these/29122/7 "2009-05-19T22:45:03Z")

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> [@TheCentaur](#):
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> exactly. turbo boost. not mind control. pheros send signals, not actions. she can choose to act on those signals from you, and you can act based on what you are wearing.
> 
> useful thread search: congruency. matching your actions to the signal you are sending.

well yes i know that you’re supposed to initiate most of the exchange, i mean it’s just very unrealistic to expect women to start talking to you (feminism aside, that would break about half a dozen social norms)

but let me play the devils advocate 🆒

isn’t the sales pitch of CTTM2 and [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) to do just that; initiate and continue the interaction?

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**Author:** ![MadVlrus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@MadVlrus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadVlrus)\
**Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 10:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/difference-between-these/29122/8 "2009-05-19T22:46:41Z")

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Hey TheCentaur! Thanx a lot! I’ve read the n00b guide by toilofday

> [@Basic Noob Phero Bootcamp](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/basic-noob-phero-bootcamp/2159):
>
> Ok. Feel free to correct any errors I may have made. This took forever to write, so I hope you like it. Chapter 1 Alpha Androstenone: In the forum this is commonly referred to as –none or none. It is a hormone produced in men and women’s sweat. (significantly less if women) “Androstenone is the first mammalian pheromone to be identified.” ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androstenone](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androstenone)) Androstenone has the ability to cause arousal in women during their ovulation. It also has the ability cause irr…

and your post seem to have summed it up a bit 😛

Just one thing I still don’t quite get is the difference between Ammunition and [Turn Up the Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/). So Turn Up the Heat is basically the same as Ammunition, except that it is more repulsing?

\> So are there any advantages of it over Ammunition? (Cuz the ‘guide’ also sais ammunition is the same but can be used in more occasions).

\> And as far as I understand you need to be using all 4? Instant Shine/Openness/Honesty/Gentleman for the maximum effect?

\> And just as a final offtopic bit.. normally a spray lasts aobut 6 hours… how long would the oil last? Apparently longer but how long?

Well, thanx for ur replies 🙂

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**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\
**Post date:** [May 19, 2009, 10:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/difference-between-these/29122/9 "2009-05-19T22:57:09Z")

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Read the Mens Pheorguide, the link is in my signature below 😉

Tisha

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**Author:** ![MadVlrus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@MadVlrus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadVlrus)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2009, 10:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/difference-between-these/29122/10 "2009-05-23T10:13:15Z")

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Hey sry for the late reply!  
And yeh I’ve read it b4… and as far as I understand:  
I need to use Instant Openness, Instant Shine and Regular Strength Ammunition?  
Or would it be better to use Instant Honesty instead of Instant Shine?  
Or both and with [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/)? Because so far they seem not to have any disadvantages… and the more advantage you get the better?  
Last question I promise 😛

And if there is a guide that is more indepth (but stil organised) than the [Basic Noob Phero Bootcamp](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/basic-noob-phero-bootcamp/2159) then that would be welcome as well so I would be able to know for the future myself what to pick 😉

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**Author:** ![renny](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/renny/32/2104_2.png) [@renny](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/renny)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 2:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/difference-between-these/29122/11 "2009-05-24T02:30:21Z")

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> [@MadVlrus](#):
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> Hey sry for the late reply!  
> And yeh I’ve read it b4… and as far as I understand:  
> I need to use Instant Openness, Instant Shine and Regular Strength Ammunition?  
> Or would it be better to use Instant Honesty instead of Instant Shine?  
> Or both and with Instant Gentleman? Because so far they seem not to have any disadvantages… and the more advantage you get the better?  
> Last question I promise 😛
> 
> And if there is a guide that is more indepth (but stil organised) than the [Basic Noob Phero Bootcamp](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/basic-noob-phero-bootcamp/2159) then that would be welcome as well so I would be able to know for the future myself what to pick 😉

I think you’ll find that in general you’ll find a few products that work better with your personality and natural self than others. [Pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) are not one size fits all.

You may need to go no further than AMMO. It’s got a balance of “social” “sexual” and “masculine” pheromones. Beyond AMMO Androtics products start to differentiate into those catagories but exactly how is going to depend a lot on who you are. Your personality, your genetics, your age, are just a few things that affect what will be best for you.

I would suggest you start with AMMO and two or three others that you are curious about. Learn to use them one product at a time, then start combining and/or adding to your collection. They really are like Mharris described them once…colors of paint. Some you’ll like and use often, some you won’t but if you learn about them anyway you’ll find they can be great accents.

It sounds like a lot of work and investment of time and resources for something named instant whatever. I look at it like a musician who spends years learning her craft, developing relationships with managers and technicians and record companies, building a core of fans, and then turns out song after song that look for all the world like overnight hits…that’s where the instant comes in, after a lot of work has been done.

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**Author:** ![MadVlrus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@MadVlrus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadVlrus)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 4:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/difference-between-these/29122/12 "2009-05-24T16:25:27Z")

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> [@renny](#):
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> I think you’ll find that in general you’ll find a few products that work better with your personality and natural self than others. Pheromones are not one size fits all.
> 
> You may need to go no further than AMMO. It’s got a balance of “social” “sexual” and “masculine” pheromones. Beyond AMMO Androtics products start to differentiate into those catagories but exactly how is going to depend a lot on who you are. Your personality, your genetics, your age, are just a few things that affect what will be best for you.
> 
> I would suggest you start with AMMO and two or three others that you are curious about. Learn to use them one product at a time, then start combining and/or adding to your collection. They really are like Mharris described them once…colors of paint. Some you’ll like and use often, some you won’t but if you learn about them anyway you’ll find they can be great accents.
> 
> It sounds like a lot of work and investment of time and resources for something named instant whatever. I look at it like a musician who spends years learning her craft, developing relationships with managers and technicians and record companies, building a core of fans, and then turns out song after song that look for all the world like overnight hits…that’s where the instant comes in, after a lot of work has been done.

I see 🙂  
So is there a more indepth article (not necessary on this forum) than the [Basic Noob Phero Bootcamp](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/basic-noob-phero-bootcamp/2159) ? So I can read it and for myself choose what is right for me? 🙂

Also… if there are any statistics of how much -none, -enol (Alpha/Beta), Taa, and any other things, there are in each bottle, as well as each spray for each product sold on the site… that’ll be great as well. 🙂

You know… cuz then I can read exactley what each thing does and and then see what exactley do I need. 🙂

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**Author:** ![MadVlrus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@MadVlrus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadVlrus)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 4:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/difference-between-these/29122/13 "2009-05-24T16:52:54Z")

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Lol, nvm I found the site 😛 [http://pherolibrary.com](http://pherolibrary.com)

Now if somebody could please give me the exact measurements of each pheromone in each of the products, that’ll be great 😜

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**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/difference-between-these/29122/14 "2009-05-24T16:57:27Z")

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> [@](#):
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> Now if somebody could please give me the exact measurements of each pheromone in each of the products, that’ll be great 😜

This is close as your will get to the actual formulas.

> [@\-none, -rone, -nol explained](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/none-rone-nol-explained/7720/2):
>
> EDIT TO REFLECT CURRENT CHANGES Hello Well we cant tell you exactly what is in each one, trade secrets and all that wink but we can point you in the right direction without giving away any specific recipe. These are estimates from info MH and Jasmin have discussed in forum. Ammo has 2.5 Androstenone Androsterone and Alpha Androstenol Ammo1.5 which is special custom order has the origonal formula plus TAA. 1.5 is no longer sold. Turn Up The Heat is 2.5 Androstenone with 7 other steering c…

The mone business is dog eat dog and in most peoples opinion Androtics is top dog. They will not release the full formula and mone ratios to the public because its a trade secret and they have worked very hard to come up with those formulas. There are many other companies lurking about just waiting for the next big formula to come out so they can duplicate it so you have to understand their concern and privacy.

This guide will help as well \>\>\>\> Read the many useful links in the guide.

> [@Mens Pheromone Guide revised 6/15](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mens-pheromone-guide-revised-6-15/12168):
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> Revised for 2010/11 Common question thread [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-introduction-to-mones-names-size-strength-use-effects-length-of/43012](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-introduction-to-mones-names-size-strength-use-effects-length-of/43012) Ok I had to put the guide in this section of the forum because the men’s have way to many stickies now and I didn’t want to add another there. So anyways I got quite a few requests to do a men’s guide and I am flattered but want you to all know upfront that without all the wonderful postings on pheromones by the experienced men I would never been abl…

Next if you dont want to share it on the open forum where the experienced members can help you, you can consult with me by PM. Tell me exactly what your looking for effect wise and I will explain the products and which ones will fit your needs. Its why I’m here 😉

You could also call Steve at the hotline on Tuesday. Monday is a holiday. Number at the top of forum. He will be happy to point you in the right direction.

Both of us are expert levels in mone use.

Tisha

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**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 5:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/difference-between-these/29122/15 "2009-05-24T17:21:19Z")

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I just noticed you didnt return to your intro to provide the info we requested. Nothing to personal. Just info on your personality and objective for mones use. The members can direct you to products that fit your needs to. They use them everyday 😉

Dont forget to do that so you can take advantage of the $25 gift certificate to the store

> [@Hey guys! ^\_^](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-guys-_/29131):
>
> I am new here at the forums slight_smile Well not quite ‘new’, I’ve registered a while ago but only rly started to use it now stuck_out_tongue I am also not very experienced with [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) in general, but hopefully that will change soon stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye So… yeh… that’s all I wanted to say… have a good night slight_smile

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**Author:** ![MadVlrus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8e7dd6/32.png) [@MadVlrus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadVlrus)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 5:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/difference-between-these/29122/16 "2009-05-24T17:48:05Z")

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> [@tisha23](#):
>
> I just noticed you didnt return to your intro to provide the info we requested. Nothing to personal. Just info on your personality and objective for mones use. The members can direct you to products that fit your needs to. They use them everyday 😉
> 
> Dont forget to do that so you can take advantage of the $25 gift certificate to the store
> 
> [Hey guys! ^\_^](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/hey-guys-_/29131)

Hey, sorry didn’t realise 😛  
I’ve posted in there now.. as well as wrote specific questions as a PM to you like you’ve said. 🙂

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**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2009, 7:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/difference-between-these/29122/17 "2009-05-24T19:40:50Z")

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> [@MadVlrus](#):
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> Lol, nvm I found the site 😛 [http://pherolibrary.com](http://pherolibrary.com)
> 
> Now if somebody could please give me the exact measurements of each pheromone in each of the products, that’ll be great 😜

It’s all out there in years and years worth of posts from some of the most extraordinary people on the planet.

You are going to have to find it by yourself. Start here: `http://www.pheromonetalk.com/search.php`

Please post your results with links to the threads where you found your information.

Thank you.