# Diffusion Idea: How to make your 4X SPRAY pheromones last longer **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [August 10, 2009, 9:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/diffusion-idea-how-to-make-your-4x-spray-pheromones-last-longer/31455 "2009-08-10T09:30:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 9:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/diffusion-idea-how-to-make-your-4x-spray-pheromones-last-longer/31455/1 "2009-08-10T09:30:52Z")
I remember mentioning this thing long time ago. But here are my new observations on this subject. All of you probably tried large doses of alcohol diluted pheromones. For example using 4sprays of [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) 4x. It hits hard and it lasts for a short period of time.. yeah they work after 4 hours too.. but not with the strength i require 🙂 The idea is to slow the diffusion of the alcohol. But slower diffusion is equal to lower pheromone strength. So if the above formula is correct. using large amount of pheromones and keeping them on your skin, should provide you with soft mellow diffusion through out the day. I have found out that JOHNSON’S® Baby Oil Gel ( [JOHNSON’S® Baby Oil Gel with Aloe Vera & Vitamin E](http://johnsonsbaby.com/product.do?id=40) ) does the perfect job. It is allot thicker than the normal oil products. (and allot thicker than A314 oil) The idea is to apply a thin layer over the pheromones. But if you apply it over a low mcg dose you probably wont get any effect. I found this thing usefull using only the 4X versions of the products. I am planning to try this out with androtics Dipropylene Glycol AND 1mL of Neroli/Musk [30 mL Cobalt Bottle with EO Plant :: Mixing Supplies :: Androtics Direct](https://pheromonelabs.com/) The diffusion should be better than the JOHNSONs gel 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 12:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/diffusion-idea-how-to-make-your-4x-spray-pheromones-last-longer/31455/2 "2009-08-10T12:02:14Z")
I asked a similar question a while ago and got no responses. > [@a314 and sprays](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-and-sprays/31421): > > If a314 is applied to the back of the hands then an alcohol based spray is applied over it. what happens? 1 Nothing. 2 The alcohol base causes the a314 to disperse quicker. 3 The Oil in a314 causes the alcohol based spray to disperse slower. What could be effectively used to dillute a314 without harming its chemical structure? What if you mixed the two together instead of applying the gel over the pheros? Just a thought wouldn’t applying gel over the spray force it into your body. ---
**Author:** ![TheCentaur](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ea5d25/32.png) [@TheCentaur](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheCentaur)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 2:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/diffusion-idea-how-to-make-your-4x-spray-pheromones-last-longer/31455/3 "2009-08-10T14:42:13Z")
I think the more experienced women here spray the pheros _into_ lotion then rubs it on. ---
**Author:** ![djandarial](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/djandarial/32/1667_2.png) [@djandarial](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/djandarial)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 3:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/diffusion-idea-how-to-make-your-4x-spray-pheromones-last-longer/31455/4 "2009-08-10T15:29:59Z")
I believe centaur is correct. Interesting… ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 4:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/diffusion-idea-how-to-make-your-4x-spray-pheromones-last-longer/31455/5 "2009-08-10T16:28:02Z")
LS used to sell Perception spray and it was designed to spray on mones and/or cologne and slow diffusion, making scent products last longer. I didn’t care for Perception as a mone product but the diffusion matrix worked well and was totally dry after a couple minutes, with no oily residue. I find slowed diffusion mainly useful for situations requiring a mild mone dose, e.g., work. Both oil based products and those designed for slow diffusion tend to be much weaker than their normal alcohol carrier sprays. I prefer to refresh spray mones if I need them to maintain strength. ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/diffusion-idea-how-to-make-your-4x-spray-pheromones-last-longer/31455/6 "2009-08-10T17:53:51Z")
I’ve used that same baby oil before, but now I use Vaseline cocoa butter oil gel. Smells good, like chocolate and does seem to help. However, it also does seem to give less of a “wow” effect. It’ll help if it’s really hot out though where sprays seem to dissipate a lot faster.