# Dinner Date - Is TUTH Too Much? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 5, 2016, 7:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dinner-date-is-tuth-too-much/66150 "2016-07-05T07:31:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![neophyte79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/858c86/32.png) [@neophyte79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/neophyte79)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 7:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dinner-date-is-tuth-too-much/66150/1 "2016-07-05T07:31:51Z")
A woman, Caucasian 37, invited me over to her house for a dinner. This would be a first date. Text messages have turned sexual but not much else has occurred and we have yet to be intimate. I’m not sure what mix I should use for the dinner date and would like some advice. **Right now I’m Thinking:** A314 : 2 sprays (1 spray behind each ear/rub around jaw line) IH : 2 sprays (1 spray on the inside of each forearm) IS: 2 sprays (1 spray on each side of my neck) [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) - 7.5 micrograms: 2 sprays (Front and back of the neck) TUTH: To be added later? Now here’s the question. I want to add TUTH, probably 1 spray to the chest, but think it might be too much upon initially meeting. Maybe adding it later using a togo bottle and excusing myself to go to the bathroom or is it fine to arrive already wearing it? **Arsenal** AMMO A314 Spray (1.32B) IH 1X IS 1X TUTH P74 7.5 micrograms P83 10 micrograms P135 5 micrograms Thanking you in advance and much appreciation for and all help. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 9:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dinner-date-is-tuth-too-much/66150/2 "2016-07-05T09:02:31Z")
The A314/IH/P74 is a good moderating/balancing combination, so a reasonable dose of TUTH will round that out nicely and as you are both in your 30s, a spray of TUTH on your chest might be a rather small amount, esp if it is obscured by clothing - but you can start low and add more as the night goes-on. [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) will help keep things nicely physical but with this combo, I would probably dose around 30/40mcg. ---
**Author:** ![neophyte79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/858c86/32.png) [@neophyte79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/neophyte79)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 10:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dinner-date-is-tuth-too-much/66150/3 "2016-07-05T10:20:41Z")
Thank you Mobocaster for the advice. I thought about adding [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) but wasn’t sure due the fact I read that it’s good if you’re pressed for time when meeting someone new but not needed if hours well be spent together. **So here is what I’m thinking now I’d appreciate your opinion.** (I’ll be wearing a long sleeve shirt.) A314: 2 sprays (1 spray behind each ear/rub around jaw line) IH: 2 sprays (1 side of the neck) P74: 15 micrograms total - 2 sprays (1 side of the neck) P83: 30 micrograms total - 3 sprays (Front of the neck) TUTH: 2 sprays (Back of the Neck) Thank you again. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2016, 11:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dinner-date-is-tuth-too-much/66150/4 "2016-07-05T11:54:57Z")
If its a date where there is a reasonable chance of getting physical to any degree, from light kino-on. Then [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) should help a great deal. It is also good at helping the A314/IH/P74 combo to hit home to its fullest and in the most timely manner - although several exposures are usually neded here. Where it isn’t so good is somewhere like work or very formal/polite situations where breaking the touch barrier can be more difficult. . Then using P83 is often a waste of a sometimes very scarce phero. I’d get at least one of those sprays of TUTH on the front of the neck. Think on how a sexual interaction builds - you want maxmum impact from the TUTH when she is physically closest to you. eg when kissing and you will often find a woman will gravitate towards or give special attention to your tuth points in bed, so you don’t want them somewhere unnatural or where she needs to be a contortionst to get at them. Unless she’s already indicated a liking for that kind of thing of course! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![neophyte79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/858c86/32.png) [@neophyte79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/neophyte79)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 7:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dinner-date-is-tuth-too-much/66150/5 "2016-07-06T07:09:35Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > If its a date where there is a reasonable chance of getting physical to any degree, from light kino-on. Then P83 should help a great deal. It is also good at helping the A314/IH/P74 combo to hit home to its fullest and in the most timely manner - although several exposures are usually neded here. > > Where it isn’t so good is somewhere like work or very formal/polite situations where breaking the touch barrier can be more difficult. . Then using P83 is often a waste of a sometimes very scarce phero. > > I’d get at least one of those sprays of TUTH on the front of the neck. Think on how a sexual interaction builds - you want maxmum impact from the TUTH when she is physically closest to you. eg when kissing and you will often find a woman will gravitate towards or give special attention to your tuth points in bed, so you don’t want them somewhere unnatural or where she needs to be a contortionst to get at them. Unless she’s already indicated a liking for that kind of thing of course! 😃 Thank you very much Mobocaster for the advice. You are a Phero-Jedi! I appreciate you elaborating on [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) and how it would assist with the combo of A314 / IH / P74 and when it’s not best to use P83. Hmm… I was not aware of that when using TUTH that a woman would gravitate to the application points. My problem has been afraid of ODing so I’ve been spraying TUTH on my chest covered by my shirt or the back of my neck. I’m going to try to experiment with spraying it on the front and sides of my neck but layering other mones on top. **Is it fine to layer TUTH or is it better for it to have its own application point?** **So this is what I am thinking now:** A314: 2 sprays (1 spray behind each ear/rub around jaw line) TUTH: 2 sprays (1 spray to each side of the neck) IH: 2 sprays (on one side of the neck on top of TUTH) P74: 15 micrograms total - 2 sprays (on one side of the neck on top of TUTH) P83: 30 micrograms total - 3 sprays (Front of the neck) Also, no she hasn’t indicated a liking for that kind of thing. 🙂 Thank you Mobocaster you are a wealth of information and an awesome forum member. ---
**Author:** ![neophyte79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/858c86/32.png) [@neophyte79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/neophyte79)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 8:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dinner-date-is-tuth-too-much/66150/6 "2016-07-06T08:49:26Z")
I wanted to thank you again Mobocaster. I decided to wear a short sleeve shirt and this is what I decided to go with. 1.) A314 : 2 sprays (1 spray behind each ear/rub around jaw line) 2.) Layer [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) : 15 micrograms total - 2 sprays (1 on each side of the neck) IH : 2 sprays (1 on each side of the neck) 3.) P83 : 30 micrograms total - 3 sprays (1 spray each forearm/1 spray wrist and rub wrist together) 4.) TUTH : 2 sprays (1 spray front of the neck/ 1 spray chest) ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2016, 9:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dinner-date-is-tuth-too-much/66150/7 "2016-07-06T09:20:08Z")
Spraying on your chest under clothing is a thing for very young guys around very young women - Teenagers really. To reduce the impact of TUTH on guys who are already producing their highest levels of Androstenone, around women who are at their very highest sensitivity to it. Soon after that, our natural None output will start to fall and their liking for None starts to rise - so we can use higher doses more effectively and more widely. By the time you hit your 30s, you can use a fairly robust dose and moreso when you pass into your 40s. Similarly, once past 30 (roughly) a woman tends to move towards a more overtly sexual and status-based signature (although you do get exceptions) compared to a much younger woman. Environment/situation still plays its part of course, affecting dose. So get that TUTH out where it can project and diffuse well and keep some on-hand so you can increase/top it up as the situation becomes more sexual. TUTH and indeed all those mones will layer together just fine. Simply let each layer dry down before applying the next/cover scent. Its really only oils you need to keep to different app points - so getting too hung-up on them is often counterproductive. 🙂 [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) (and indeed socials) on the arms is useful with short sleeves - remember to talk with your hands a bit in order to spread-out your cloud - but keep the majority of the sexuals to the centre for when you get closest. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![neophyte79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/858c86/32.png) [@neophyte79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/neophyte79)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 8:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dinner-date-is-tuth-too-much/66150/8 "2016-07-07T08:33:10Z")
Thank you again Mobocaster. I greatly appreciate your help. You are by far one of the most helpful forum members on the site. A treasure trove of information. The informative explanation of Androstenone and how the levels lessens as you age makes me less fearful of ODing when using it. I’m also not going to get to hung up on app points and get out there and test. 🙂 Thank you again. Very much! Tonight was the dinner date and I wore the mix I outlined above. The date went well, the food was good and conversation was great. She really opened up about herself, I think the IH/[P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) played a big part in that. Nothing sexual happened but I can definitely see something happening in the future. There was some kissing, a lot of touching, and caressing. My fear is that the mix might have been too friendly. She made a lot of statements about me being sweet and enjoying my company and felt really comfortable like she was with a really good friend but along with that were a lot of signs of interest. She even changed her shirt in front me exposing the most beautiful set of breasts I’ve seen in a while. I played it totally cool but I think it was a shit test to see if I would lose my cool like other men. Overall I’m satisfied with how the mix worked but not sure if I should have used less P74 or spray both TUTH sprays on exposed skin or maybe I should have been more aggressive. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2016, 1:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dinner-date-is-tuth-too-much/66150/9 "2016-07-07T13:11:45Z")
Sounds like that was amply sexual for now - She’s playing it cool as are you. I agree that was a shit test and a good one at that. 🙂 Whilst it is IME true that too much P74 in a mix can be too “best-friendly” - I don’t think 15mcg is nearly enough for that to be a great worry. I’ve only found it risky at 30/40mcg and above but even then, you should easily be able to sexualise it by upping your TUTH dose. All the other mones seem in good dose and proportion to me. Increasing your TUTH dose and its prominence is how I’d go about it from now-on. I’d also be doing some testing away from her to see if you can get a better handle on your sweet spot for it. Do this just out and about where OD won’t matter. You will see the point where sly glances/eye contact stops being followed by a smile. 2-3 sprays where it can breathe would seem to me as not unreasonable about her but depending on your personal chemistry and in a relaxed/uninhibited mood, it still could go higher. You may find your [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) dose will need to rise slightly with the TUTH dose, so maybe try 40mcg if you go-up to to 4 sprays or more. The dose increase should be less of a worry as you have now well and truly shattered the touch barrier with her - She obviously likes it. 🙂 The A314/IH/P74 combo also takes time to deliver fully - So keeping-up exposure over the next couple of dates is important but till you see her again, let it do its work and let her miss you a bit. Don’t be in too much hurry to be back in contact with her - let her sweat and tingle a bit! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![neophyte79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/858c86/32.png) [@neophyte79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/neophyte79)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 12:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dinner-date-is-tuth-too-much/66150/10 "2016-07-08T00:30:55Z")
I was worried about not having enough sexual good to know that wasn’t the problem. Yeah I wasn’t expecting that shit test at all! I’ve read dozens of your post about P74 and even took your advice and purchased the 7.5 micrograms. I figured to sprays of that wouldn’t of been too much but still had to ask. She’s going out of town for a couple of weeks, so I was going take that opportunity to thoroughly test both my ideal TUTH and A314 doses. **So when I start noticing eye glances and smiles then the dosage is right? What are the signs that the dosage is too high? Should I worry about the horn dog affect or at my age it isnt a problem?** The three sprays of P83 worked nicely and will experiment with raising the dose when using more TUTH. I’m going to keep using the A314 / IH / P74 combo and keep the exposures. With her going to visit family for a couple weeks will give her time to miss me and work on my dosages. Also, I was thinking about purchasing the Ultimate [Pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) Introduction Pack for Men as an overall re-upping of everything. **What are your thoughts on that?** Once again I really appreciate you taking the time to help me and the many others on the forum. I can’t thank or rep you enough. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 1:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dinner-date-is-tuth-too-much/66150/11 "2016-07-08T01:47:17Z")
If the sly/startled looks turn from sly/conspiratorial smiles to looks of revulsion at you or like they just stood in dogshit or the grannies start coming-on to you, then you have probably gone beyond your basic dose and should back-off a bit. Ghosting - ie no response at all is also possible when you get too high. Obviously look most carefully for responses from women of a similar age to your target. Its not an exact age range but much younger or much older will skew your results as they will likely respond to different doses. The intro pack won’t go wrong IMO. It will let you try a broad spread of pheros at a good price. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![neophyte79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/858c86/32.png) [@neophyte79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/neophyte79)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2016, 9:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dinner-date-is-tuth-too-much/66150/12 "2016-07-08T09:13:19Z")
Thank you again Mobocaster, it’s greatly appreciated! ---
**Author:** ![neophyte79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/858c86/32.png) [@neophyte79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/neophyte79)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 8:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dinner-date-is-tuth-too-much/66150/13 "2016-07-09T08:36:19Z")
I have a follow up question regarding “the dinner date”. I like this girl and she’s good company. I like her more than my current fallout target but she’s out of town for two weeks, which I mentioned earlier. **Here’s the question Should I..** 1. Text her while she’s gone and say hello and see how she’s doing. 2. Say nothing until she returns. 3. Or wait to hear back from her first. Thanking you in advance for any and all opinions ---
**Author:** ![ScentHound](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/scenthound/32/1840_2.png) [@ScentHound](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ScentHound)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 3:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dinner-date-is-tuth-too-much/66150/14 "2016-07-09T15:59:08Z")
> [@neophyte79](#): > > I have a follow up question regarding “the dinner date”. I like this girl and she’s good company. I like her more than my current fallout target but she’s out of town for two weeks, which I mentioned earlier. > > **Here’s the question Should I..** > > 1. Text her while she’s gone and say hello and see how she’s doing. > > 2. Say nothing until she returns. > > 3. Or wait to hear back from her first. > > Thanking you in advance for any and all opinions Complete radio silence for 2 weeks will only help you here. Women don’t pine over guys who chase them. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 5:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dinner-date-is-tuth-too-much/66150/15 "2016-07-09T17:35:10Z")
I would keep all texting to the absolute bare minimum - ideally none at all but unless you have good reason to text her, don’t. If you are replying to any texts of her’s, don’t get caught-up in long exchanges. Enough to remain polite but leaving her wanting more. ---
**Author:** ![neophyte79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/858c86/32.png) [@neophyte79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/neophyte79)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 8:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dinner-date-is-tuth-too-much/66150/16 "2016-07-09T20:40:47Z")
Thank you to the both of you. I was thinking along the same lines but wanted to make sure my thinking was correct.