# Do P83, P79 and P74 work on their own? Putatives vs mixes and finding a dose **URL:** \ **Category:** Pheromone Theory & Molecules\ **Created:** [October 24, 2008, 4:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-p83-p79-and-p74-work-on-their-own-putatives-vs-mixes-and-finding-a-dose/21907 "2008-10-24T04:28:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![bonvoyage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a9adbd/32.png) [@bonvoyage](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bonvoyage)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 4:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-p83-p79-and-p74-work-on-their-own-putatives-vs-mixes-and-finding-a-dose/21907/1 "2008-10-24T04:28:05Z")
I tried ALL three of them with high dose of 50mcg… stand alone to all three together… NO REACTIONS… But when you put a drop of A314… all eyes on you… when you spray IS and IO… everybody… wants to talk to you… even for something that just doesn’t make sense… Yeah… today… somebody I didn’t know… waved at me… I was like… WTH???🙄 ---
**Author:** ![tfrankz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfrankz/32/468_2.png) [@tfrankz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfrankz)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 5:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-p83-p79-and-p74-work-on-their-own-putatives-vs-mixes-and-finding-a-dose/21907/2 "2008-10-24T05:29:01Z")
Hi I have noticed that [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) gives people that what ever is on their mind they say or do. P74 tried two times so far gives me a dizzy daze only after 1 drink with 20 mcgs on at bar. A314 does get some good eye contact with good looking girls for me! ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2008, 5:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-p83-p79-and-p74-work-on-their-own-putatives-vs-mixes-and-finding-a-dose/21907/3 "2008-10-24T17:19:51Z")
Putatives are different then mixes. They are single molecule suspected to **act** like [pheromones](https://a314.com/). Putatives dont cause attraction like a mix would. They cause emotion and behavior, a feeling. Thats what your looking for basically. They are much harder to test then the mainstream mixes which is why they are for advanced users. Putatives are not ment to be stand alone products. They are what steers a mix in a certain direction When testing them do not look for others to react to you. Look for pattern behaviors, attitudes and moods. Lets take P83 for instance… People dont react to me when I use it without other mones for attraction. They do however display the same pattern behaviors. Loss of inhibitions Sensual movement General flirtation (not to me just general) peacocking more or displaying. increase in innuendos Now when that is used with a main stream mone such as anone which causes arousal your steer that mone in a new more sexually intense sensual direction. This is how they get so many similar mixes to go in the slightly different direction and vibes. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2013, 10:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-p83-p79-and-p74-work-on-their-own-putatives-vs-mixes-and-finding-a-dose/21907/4 "2013-01-21T22:18:27Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Putatives are different then mixes. They are single molecule suspected to **act** like pheromones. > > Putatives dont cause attraction like a mix would. They cause emotion and behavior, a feeling. Thats what your looking for basically. > > They are much harder to test then the mainstream mixes which is why they are for advanced users. > > Putatives are not ment to be stand alone products. They are what steers a mix in a certain direction > > When testing them do not look for others to react to you. Look for pattern behaviors, attitudes and moods. > > Lets take P83 for instance… > > People dont react to me when I use it without other mones for attraction. They do however display the same pattern behaviors. > > Loss of inhibitions > Sensual movement > General flirtation (not to me just general) > peacocking more or displaying. > increase in innuendos > > Now when that is used with a main stream mone such as anone which causes arousal your steer that mone in a new more sexually intense sensual direction. > > This is how they get so many similar mixes to go in the slightly different direction and vibes. > > Tisha I was obliged to bump this 5-year-old thread because it describes EXACTLY what P83 does. At about 40 mcg, the innuendo and flirtation starts. You’ll need [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) or some androstenone - based product to trigger the ideal effects.😛🆒😃 🙂😃 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2013, 6:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-p83-p79-and-p74-work-on-their-own-putatives-vs-mixes-and-finding-a-dose/21907/5 "2013-01-22T06:02:25Z")
I’m not surprised the OP got ignored back then with a 50mcg dose of P79 - That would be Instant - “Avert Thy Eyes!” 😮 And there are some excellent [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) threads from the 2009-2010 period. Some of those guys got the hang of it just perfectly. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![still18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@still18](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/still18)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2013, 8:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-p83-p79-and-p74-work-on-their-own-putatives-vs-mixes-and-finding-a-dose/21907/6 "2013-01-22T08:29:25Z")
> [@bonvoyage](#): > > I tried ALL three of them with high dose of 50mcg… stand alone to all three together… > NO REACTIONS… > > But when you put a drop of A314… all eyes on you… > when you spray IS and IO… everybody… wants to talk to you… even for something that just doesn’t make sense… > > Yeah… today… somebody I didn’t know… waved at me… > I was like… WTH???🙄 Molecules/putatives do work solo, because then they will be complementing your current natural [pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) output, depends on the situation though, you probably OD on all of them, try again to find your sweet spot, how else would you know the effects of each, without testing separately? ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2013, 11:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-p83-p79-and-p74-work-on-their-own-putatives-vs-mixes-and-finding-a-dose/21907/7 "2013-02-01T11:17:22Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I’m not surprised the OP got ignored back then with a 50mcg dose of P79 - That would be Instant - “Avert Thy Eyes!” 😮 > > And there are some excellent P83 threads from the 2009-2010 period. Some of those guys got the hang of it just perfectly. 🙂 I end up using a lot of product to find a sweet spot, but I know what [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) will do in every increment of 10 mcg, thus convincing me of the sweetness in 40 mcg with 2.5 of P75. 30 mcg just doesn’t seem enough. 50 seems to get edgy and standoffish. The perfect spot get’s you: vulgarity and double entendre, lots of talk about who would do who, from interested women, “touch me.” “Don’t you have a husband,” I says. “Yeah, touch me anyway. Right here.” “Has he got a gun?” ---
**Author:** ![s\_t\_f](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@s\_t\_f](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/s_t_f)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 5:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-p83-p79-and-p74-work-on-their-own-putatives-vs-mixes-and-finding-a-dose/21907/8 "2013-02-06T17:15:00Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Putatives are different then mixes. They are single molecule suspected to **act** like pheromones. > > Putatives dont cause attraction like a mix would. They cause emotion and behavior, a feeling. Thats what your looking for basically. > > They are much harder to test then the mainstream mixes which is why they are for advanced users. > > Putatives are not ment to be stand alone products. They are what steers a mix in a certain direction > > When testing them do not look for others to react to you. Look for pattern behaviors, attitudes and moods. > > Tisha So this would explain why when I wear p74 all by itself I get very irritated? Been testing this putative by itself and the overall mood and self effects I get is irritability. 25mcg is kinda ghosting haze 15mcg has reported me to become very irritated only when used alone though. ---
**Author:** ![kSage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kSage](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kSage)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 5:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-p83-p79-and-p74-work-on-their-own-putatives-vs-mixes-and-finding-a-dose/21907/9 "2013-02-07T17:22:13Z")
Hmm, interesting observations that are different than mine, so I’ll share a bit. I love P83, but don’t use such high doses. I didn’t notice any effect at 5mg but once I bumped it up to 13mg it was delightful. Of course, not by itself. I was using it with [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and P75 (2.5mg), but it definitely got women chasing me, if subtly. Nothing like the Axe Body Spray ads but definitely women taking the initiative. P74, on the other hand, I do use all by itself with great results. I use 50mg on my wrist for a party or on my neck for a meeting and other people feel comfortable, like I’m an old member of their gang. Strangers think they know me from somewhere. Competitive guys feel like they don’t need to compete with me because I’m on their side. In most business situations it seem to work better than A314 for me, perhaps because I already give off an authoritative and somewhat superior vibe when it comes to my business. P79 is notoriously difficult to use. I’ve never gotten it to work for me, though I believe it can be done. Absolutely needs to be part of a well crafted mix, because it seems more than anything else to make people uncomfortable. If they’re uncomfortable and horny, then they can interpret that as extra-horny, but if they’re uncomfortable and don’t know why, they just want to get away from the source of discomfort.