# Do pheromone products really work, or is it just the wearer? A skeptic asks **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 24, 2009, 9:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902 "2009-07-24T09:23:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Dream\_Brother](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dream_brother/32/1559_2.png) [@Dream\_Brother](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dream_Brother)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2015, 11:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902/162 "2015-01-17T11:06:39Z")
Would anyone say that 'mones have the possibility to cause a ‘chain reaction’ kind of effect? For example, 2 girls are effected by your pheromones, others notice how you are getting noticeable attention, assume you must be a big deal, then become interested in you themselves - indirectly from the 'mones? ---
**Author:** ![mrseeker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mrseeker/32/5177_2.png) [@mrseeker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mrseeker)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2015, 11:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902/163 "2015-01-18T11:39:06Z")
> [@Dream\_Brother](#): > > Would anyone say that 'mones have the possibility to cause a ‘chain reaction’ kind of effect? For example, 2 girls are effected by your pheromones, others notice how you are getting noticeable attention, assume you must be a big deal, then become interested in you themselves - indirectly from the 'mones? You mean like mob psychology? Yes, that is actually possible. When a man appears to have noticeable attention from women even though he is not hot at all, especially from those that are already looking really good, then every other girl who finds themselves more worthy of those next to you will also start fighting for your attention. Think of Justin Bieber for example. Most girls just love him for what? I believe its status. If THEY are JB’s girlfriend that means that they could achieve something that other’s couldn’t. Woman fighting for men only works if you can make yourself an icon that they want to stand next to 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Dream\_Brother](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dream_brother/32/1559_2.png) [@Dream\_Brother](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dream_Brother)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2015, 1:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902/164 "2015-01-18T13:16:26Z")
> [@mrseeker](#): > > You mean like mob psychology? Yes, that is actually possible. When a man appears to have noticeable attention from women even though he is not hot at all, especially from those that are already looking really good, then every other girl who finds themselves more worthy of those next to you will also start fighting for your attention. > > Think of Justin Bieber for example. Most girls just love him for what? I believe its status. If THEY are JB’s girlfriend that means that they could achieve something that other’s couldn’t. Woman fighting for men only works if you can make yourself an icon that they want to stand next to 😉 That’s the one - mob psychology! 🙂 So, there is so much more to the effects of pheromones than a lot of people think! ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2015, 1:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902/165 "2015-02-27T13:40:38Z")
i think this is described as “crowding effect”. Here’s an MHarris post: [Ordered IO, IH, Instant Shine, IFM and A314 at once: plans to test them all in 2006 - #15 by MHarris](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/instant-openness-instant-honesty-instant-shine-instant-female-magic-a314/72/15) (“I’ve noticed somewhat of a crowding effect that occur with Shine, because healthy people NATURALLY move toward what makes them feel good.”) ---
**Author:** ![CelticPrince](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/celticprince/32/397_2.png) [@CelticPrince](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CelticPrince)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2015, 4:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902/166 "2015-02-27T16:55:43Z")
> [@Dream\_Brother](#): > > Would anyone say that 'mones have the possibility to cause a ‘chain reaction’ kind of effect? For example, 2 girls are effected by your pheromones, others notice how you are getting noticeable attention, assume you must be a big deal, then become interested in you themselves - indirectly from the 'mones? Absolutely. This is the rock star effect. You know like Mick Jagger walks into an airport, a gal notices him and runs over for an autograph. Other girls see him and they start flocking to him. Man doesn’t need pheros 🙂 You walk into a party, gals start talking to you, flirting with you because of the pheros. You act the part, tell some jokes, flirt back, and other women see that and wonder “who is that guy?” They come over to investigate and get dosed by your cloud, and the next thing you know you have a party, within a party going on. Your job at this point is to play the part, and spread the love… ---
**Author:** ![dkracing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dkracing](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dkracing)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2015, 4:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902/167 "2015-07-12T04:30:41Z")
I don’t know about the rest, A314 is what I’m after, and Ammo…And mx297, and Instant shine and turn up the heat. The rest might be fake, i dunno so far every one pheromone that I ordered so far did what it stated… I can vouch that those I mention work in my journal…Great powers comes great responsibilities, the bad…Some good looking ones, and like a whole lot of not good looking ones. For me a 13 to 1 ratio on uglies vs the hot ones. It comes with the territory,unless your going to be like the charity guy and take goes for all 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Kinglife](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9f8e36/32.png) [@Kinglife](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kinglife)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 6:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902/168 "2015-07-15T06:56:02Z")
Hi I’m kinglife,I just receive my bottle of ammo haven’t noticed any difference yet.I’ve been using 3 spray’s. Should I use more??? Help someone ---
**Author:** ![mrseeker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mrseeker/32/5177_2.png) [@mrseeker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mrseeker)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2015, 9:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902/169 "2015-07-15T09:07:32Z")
Hi kinglife, welcome to the forums! Let me first say that pheromones are not “magic potions”, so yes… it might not always work. There can be several reasons for it, but the most likely one is that you are expecting too much. Women are strange creatures, and they behave quite differently from what you expect. Especially in the beginning its hard to see the differences, and people tend to go quickly too high with bad effects. To give you some nice clues to see if the stuff works or not, I would recommend the following: Spray 3 sprays on your chest, wear something nice (dress properly, like you have some status) and go shopping. It does not matter where, but something where you will certainly have women around (I usually recommend big shopping malls). Then try to find a women who can help you, and just see how she behaves when she is around. For example, I usually go search for some good wine, and ask the lady what I should buy. I notice that they will try to get more eager to be around, and tend to stick around instead of doing what they are supposed to do. Another hint is sitting in the subway during rush hour and just look around. See what the women are doing. If you got someone who is interested in you, you will notice strange behavior like looking down in shame or excessively trying to get their hair correct. Don’t think too much about the sprays itself. Most of the [pheromone sprays](https://a314.com/product-category/spray-pheromones/) I know about invest heavily on marketing, Androtics is one of the few ones that give their claims truth. I tend to do a “spray and forget”. It helps a lot, since you don’t think about the spray and just experience the moment. The most obvious clues I have seen is that girls will stick around with Ammo, and be less problematic if you start flirting with them. Some girls will be more reserved than others, so don’t be the douchebag and just aim to be a nice gentleman who is looking for a nice girl, and the rest will come by itself. ---
**Author:** ![brandnewsuperstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f04885/32.png) [@brandnewsuperstar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/brandnewsuperstar)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 1:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902/170 "2015-07-16T13:24:24Z")
Sorry guys, if i seem a bit out off topic. Can anyone be so kind tell me when will Alpha A314 back in stock?I have not check back here for few months. My apology . ---
**Author:** ![mrseeker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mrseeker/32/5177_2.png) [@mrseeker](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mrseeker)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 1:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902/171 "2015-07-16T13:36:22Z")
I think Dee A should put a topic on here saying “soon”. Nobody except the laboratory guys know when it will be back… Its the big “drought” right now. ---
**Author:** ![brandnewsuperstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f04885/32.png) [@brandnewsuperstar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/brandnewsuperstar)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 1:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902/172 "2015-07-16T13:46:49Z")
> [@mrseeker](#): > > I think Dee A should put a topic on here saying “soon”. Nobody except the laboratory guys know when it will be back… Its the big “drought” right now. Thanks mrseeker. Didnt know A314 was out of stock for a while. Dying to get some for my new Job. Any other good suggestions for work that get people respect and trust you? Im a 29 Asian male working in Taiwan. Just wondering what will work around Asian people. I got IG,IS,IO,IH But ran out A314. I will be working as a bartender at this lounge in Taipei City. Any suggestions plz. Since we have no idea when will the A314 be back. cheers ---
**Author:** ![dkracing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecccb3/32.png) [@dkracing](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dkracing)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 3:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902/173 "2015-07-16T15:41:03Z")
Since you work as a bartender, I recommend you try a social mone like Mx297 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![brandnewsuperstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f04885/32.png) [@brandnewsuperstar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/brandnewsuperstar)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2015, 5:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902/174 "2015-07-16T17:02:48Z")
> [@dkracing](#): > > Since you work as a bartender, I recommend you try a social mone like Mx297 🙂 Thanks. ^^ I have not looked into Mx297 before. Very Interesting. Has anyone used before around Asian crowd? and any of the stuff I have left works for the situation I have? (IG, IS, IH, IO ) ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2015, 10:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902/175 "2015-07-17T10:08:19Z")
[MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/)/P75 is a superb attractive/playful/social/sexual around Asians and younger women. Use it when you can make it count - e.g. out/having fun, not at work/just hanging out. Otherwise, IG has the most noted affinity for Asians - but keep any added sexual to a low-dose secondary to begin with. IS, IO and IH are all good socials regardless of race. ---
**Author:** ![brandnewsuperstar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f04885/32.png) [@brandnewsuperstar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/brandnewsuperstar)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2015, 2:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902/176 "2015-07-18T02:55:42Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > MX297/P75 is a superb attractive/playful/social/sexual around Asians and younger women. Use it when you can make it count - e.g. out/having fun, not at work/just hanging out. > > Otherwise, IG has the most noted affinity for Asians - but keep any added sexual to a low-dose secondary to begin with. > > IS, IO and IH are all good socials regardless of race. thank you so much for the detail info. I will look into both mx297 and p75. ---
**Author:** ![nonbeliever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/aeb1de/32.png) [@nonbeliever](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nonbeliever)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2015, 11:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902/177 "2015-08-01T11:35:04Z")
while i don’t even have a single product from AD yet… i can say that i’m 99% confident pheromones work. the signs may not be super obvious, but you must watch for them like other’s have said. you WILL notice things that are just slightly out of the ordinary… and they will reoccur… things like women “following” you around… staring at you… people being more friendly… and i’ve seen this all in just 2 days of using dial magnetic. i imagine that once i’m armed with the intro pack, then i will really see some big changes! i was a skeptic as well, hence the name nonbeliever… but here i am advocating pheromones… again i haven’t used any AD products yet, but based on what i’ve seen, you (the new user) won’t be disappointed! ---
**Author:** ![malleus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/malleus/32/1722_2.png) [@malleus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/malleus)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 2:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902/178 "2015-08-14T14:25:14Z")
To any nonbeliever (including THE nonbeliever), I recommend one simple and inexpensive test you can perform to determine if pheromones work for you or not: **Buy one bottle of Turn Up the Heat and use it until it runs out.** No pheromone, in my experience, comes close to the immediate and noticeable reactions you’ll see after using it with its primary ingredient Androstenone. When using sufficient quantities, you cannot help but see some results, not all of which are positive, mind you. But it’s relatively cheap, easy, and if it doesn’t work you haven’t lost much and have gained some knowledge in return. What to expect: Some women will be strongly attracted and tell you that you smell great. Some women–particularly those of the Asian persuasion, in my experience–will think you smell like sweat. Some men will respond docilely and others may respond aggressively. You have to find the right amounts to get the “best” results for you, but the purpose is here is just to get _any_ results. In any event, doing my little experiment should show you that (at least some) pheromones produce results. And, in my opinion, Androstenone is the flagship pheromone. I have had (and still have) some doubts about the efficacy of some of the experimental or [putative pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/product-category/advanced-pheromones/putative-pheromones/), though this means very little, as it can be hard to distinguish, isolate, and properly attribute subtle results. Others I have no doubts about. Some pheromones give me positive results, others I can do without. But they work! In summary, if you’re simply wanting to know if pheromones “work” or not, try a bottle of TUTH and report your findings. I think it highly probable you’ll see that pheromones can have an effect on your life, and where you go after that is up to you. Cheers! ---
**Author:** ![cnote1287](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/87869e/32.png) [@cnote1287](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/cnote1287)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 2:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902/179 "2015-09-21T02:21:39Z")
> [@malleus](#): > > To any nonbeliever (including THE nonbeliever), I recommend one simple and inexpensive test you can perform to determine if pheromones work for you or not: **Buy one bottle of Turn Up the Heat and use it until it runs out.** > > No pheromone, in my experience, comes close to the immediate and noticeable reactions you’ll see after using it with its primary ingredient Androstenone. When using sufficient quantities, you cannot help but see some results, not all of which are positive, mind you. But it’s relatively cheap, easy, and if it doesn’t work you haven’t lost much and have gained some knowledge in return. > > What to expect: Some women will be strongly attracted and tell you that you smell great. Some women–particularly those of the Asian persuasion, in my experience–will think you smell like sweat. Some men will respond docilely and others may respond aggressively. You have to find the right amounts to get the “best” results for you, but the purpose is here is just to get _any_ results. > > In any event, doing my little experiment should show you that (at least some) pheromones produce results. And, in my opinion, Androstenone is the flagship pheromone. I have had (and still have) some doubts about the efficacy of some of the experimental or putative pheromones, though this means very little, as it can be hard to distinguish, isolate, and properly attribute subtle results. Others I have no doubts about. Some pheromones give me positive results, others I can do without. But they work! > > In summary, if you’re simply wanting to know if pheromones “work” or not, try a bottle of TUTH and report your findings. I think it highly probable you’ll see that pheromones can have an effect on your life, and where you go after that is up to you. > > Cheers! When you say that Asians will say you smell like sweat, is this ALL asians? Or just one’s born in their own country? I just ask because I’ve been wearing TUTH and there’s one Asian girl I’m going after (half Jap half Korean, born here in the US), and she told me at a party that I smelled really good. So is the whole Asians don’t like the -none more of a “cultural” asian thing? Or is a “biological all asians” thing? ---
**Author:** ![AlboGuy18](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/alboguy18/32/1981_2.png) [@AlboGuy18](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/AlboGuy18)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 9:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902/180 "2015-09-21T09:23:19Z")
> [@cnote1287](#): > > When you say that Asians will say you smell like sweat, is this ALL asians? Or just one’s born in their own country? I just ask because I’ve been wearing TUTH and there’s one Asian girl I’m going after (half Jap half Korean, born here in the US), and she told me at a party that I smelled really good. > > So is the whole Asians don’t like the -none more of a “cultural” asian thing? Or is a “biological all asians” thing? It’s not quite as simple as that. Place of birth rarely impacts the genes you carry apart from a few epigenetic effects (but those tend to be confined to visible phenotypes). Most Asians don’t like androstenone. That’s not to say they won’t like the fragrance you ordered it in though. So it may be that when this Asian girl you said told you you smelled good simply said so because she liked the smell of the fragrance in TUTH. Remember, androtics rarely ships [unscented pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/stealth-unfragranced/), so unless you specifically bought pure androstenone and wore it without adding any kind of fragrance to it then it’s more likely she just liked how the fragrance smelled. If you want Asian women to respond you should look into p75. Use very responsibly though, you only need about I spray of this thing on the lowest dosage for the whole day ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2015, 1:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902/181 "2015-09-21T13:30:16Z")
> [@cnote1287](#): > > So is the whole Asians don’t like the -none more of a “cultural” asian thing? Or is a “biological all asians” thing? IME its a combination of culture and biology - and as well as that, there is considerable variation amongst Asians themselves, with Japanese and Han Chinese being the most tricky to use Androstenone around, Whilst Thai and Korean women tend pose far fewer problems. Then there are those raised in more western/non-traditional environments, who demonstrate a liking for a more western balance of mones. And then again there are those who defy all received wisdom and go-on stonking levels of None, so like anything involving pheros, there are always exceptions to any rule. 😃 However, the one thing I have noticed across al the Asians I’ve been around is that the leaning towards status (Androsterone) in mixes is apparent whatever their background. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902.md?page=8) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-pheromone-products-really-work-or-is-it-just-the-wearer-a-skeptic-asks/189902.md?page=10)