# Do these pheros look legit? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 29, 2008, 11:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-these-pheros-look-legit/22242 "2008-10-29T23:37:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 15
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2008, 5:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-these-pheros-look-legit/22242/15 "2008-10-31T17:13:23Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > Jas, I understand this position and admire it. I believe though that even if only good products are advertised more broadly, yet when people start to like them and look out for more and better products they will inevitably be looking for products with sexual effects. Nothing wrong with that. Androstenone is as sexual as they come, especially during ovulation, and it has some negative side effects as you mention, part of the territory with sexual attraction I guess. Yeah, but A. What’s not sexual about other pheromones? Since more than 50% of all behaviours are driven by the _subtext_ of sexual reproduction, then everything is in some way sexual. Androstenol can be sexual, as can P74, P83, etc. B. What’s so common about ovulation? The entire population of women only experiences it every 1 out of every 31 days. The other 30 days, we won’t necessarily like it. Nothing wrong with a well planned -none product, I think. Especially if named as close as 100% accurately as you can name them, like Turn Up The Heat, Instant Jerk, and PheroBomb, all of which accurately describe the effects. However, should any of those products be daily wear for most people, in most contexts? No. Probaby not. And if people wore any of them as much as they wore Axe, we’d be as guilty of a form of pollution – emotional pollution – as Exxon was with the Valdez disaster. > [@](#): > > We want to be sexually desired. I am wondering if there are many male customers that buy IS, IO, IH, SOE and never buy Ammo, TUTH, TE/NPA or many female customers that buy the social products but never buy ISexi or LAM? I think it’s not fair to expect that and the _containment_ of androstenone or copulins from pheromone buying public is next to impossible. I didn’t say -none wouldn’t be used, rather it would be used responsibly, and owuldn’t be the HIGHLIGHT of a mainstream consumer product. Again, think of Axe as a strong -none product. Maybe Instant Jerk strength, or stronger. You don’t see anything _wrong_ with that? > [@](#): > > I like that here at Androtics you have your heart at the right place. And Kohl, Cutler and Dodd have too, although researchers have another motivation of not loosing face in the academic community and fear being discredited (perhaps for endorsing a “pig” pheromone like Androstenone; Cutler has mentioned it several times; but I am pretty sure she uses Androstenol which is also produced by pigs, so ???). > > I don’t really think Androstenone can create a problem with society at large, so much so that we should be avoiding this molecule. Androtics’ approach is right, make it available, but label it correctly and let the buyer decide! Yes, we are a little more moderate in our approach. We do see a use for androstenone, and have simply been figuring out how to integrate it into an approach strategy. Mostly, we’ve been running scenarious. Obviously if we used certain formulations, we could more easily have a “hit” on our hands, because the pheromonal “hits” would be so strong & obvious that almost any guy could notice. However, we run risk scenarios, and see what the ultimate impact of that would be. Experimentation HERE aside (which is safe from our “safety” issues), we design our products and projects to be a “win” for as many parties as possible. Although it’ll probably never occur… as an exercise with high contrast, we look to ourselves, and say “If 1 out of every 5 people you met were wearing a [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/), would you rather it be Liquid Sunshine or Instant Jerk?” It’s always Liquid Sunshine. Even the guy running the scenario pick Liquid Sunshine. I mean, seriously, imagine if Opera ever called, and I was on her show. Which formula would you want me talking about on there? Run the scenario. It’s like a Choose Your Own Adventure book. Based on your choices, you’ll get a darker or brighter emotional result. Think of it like dumping stuff in a river. What would you want to dump in a river? --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-these-pheros-look-legit/22242)._