# Do we want Raw Power & Dirty? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 17, 2008, 4:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855 "2008-10-17T16:28:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2008, 2:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855/21 "2008-10-20T14:50:22Z")
We can do a small batch of Raw Power again. I don’t see why not. Everyone cool with 10mcg per drop again? Maybe we should bump it up or down. Perhaps down so you can dose it more easily, and get more surface area. It’s harder to re-issue Dirty. We have a fair amount of copulins, but we’re not quite happy with their effects, especially on canines. We’re suspicious of anything that freaks dogs out. Most of the really good stuff makes rover go into heat, just like it does for some people. PheroProof is up to Future. That’s not ours. We were offered the rights to sell it ourselves, but we don’t really want to go with that arrangement due to some legal ramifications of offering something that powerful. One of the pheros in particular really concerns us, especially without the balance we like to see. Not that it’s bad or that that anybody here seems to mind, but we have our formulary preferences and we also have to look at everything from a liability standpoint. As you can see, most of our consumer products are more on the friendlier side, and when they’re not, they’re named in a way to make the effects obvious. (Imagine a judge saying “What did you expect from a product called [Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/)?”) The hairier stuff we keep in our experimental line, where it’s more obvious that you’re using something not intended for consumers. From a legal standpoint, we’d prefer to keep things like PheroProof as an MX, rather than a named product. It gives us the liability containment that keeps our lawyers happy. Probably the best we’ll be able to do with another strong, named product is PheroBomb. PheroBomb will closely mimic it’s name in both formula and terms of effect. It’ll give you a light bombing of all of the old traditional standby’s with some of the newer in your face pheromones that we’re also comfortable with, like P83. Think shrapnel or the end part of a cool fireworks show. It won’t be as precise or pointed as PheroProof, which is kinda like a pherosmartmissile, but it should still be a lot of fun. ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2008, 3:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855/22 "2008-10-20T15:03:12Z")
I wonder is it that they cannot get the ingredients to make these products? do they need a preorder or “group Buy” to afford making them? Or did they just not get enough feedback from those who did buy the products to realize they were worthy of producing? I would be willing to lay out some cash up front for some of either, but I would want a refund if the order does not go through within 6 months or so. ---
**Author:** ![tfrankz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/tfrankz/32/468_2.png) [@tfrankz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tfrankz)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2008, 5:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855/23 "2008-10-20T17:34:37Z")
Jasmin So when can we expect to see [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/) back? ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2008, 5:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855/24 "2008-10-20T17:39:51Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Probably the best we’ll be able to do with another strong, named product is PheroBomb. PheroBomb will closely mimic it’s name in both formula and terms of effect. It’ll give you a light bombing of all of the old traditional standby’s with some of the newer in your face pheromones that we’re also comfortable with, like P83. Think shrapnel or the end part of a cool fireworks show. It won’t be as precise or pointed as PheroProof, which is kinda like a pherosmartmissile, but it should still be a lot of fun. Sounds like fun… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2008, 6:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855/25 "2008-10-20T18:07:52Z")
> [@Robbie](#): > > Only 481 more votes to go… 🙂 Hmm, now is 478 to go 🙂 Thanks for those who have just voted 😃 > [@denec](#): > > You should make two separate polls one for Raw Power and one for Dirty, I have not voted yet, because I will never buy dirty, but I will buy Raw power again > > I have a feeling the problem with Raw Power cannot speak about Dirty, since I never used it, since it is oil, and something I do not use everyday, I bought my bottle probably 5 months ago I guess, I am not even sure, and I still have 85% left approx, because I only need one or two drops when I use it, and I really only use it maybe once or twice a week, so Raw power will probably at this rate last me another year at least. It not like A314 where some people will use it every single day where even that lasts a long time. Then again everyone is different and might use Raw Power every day i don’t know. Well denec, i can’t make the seperate polls as my intention is for both pheros btw sorry. Thanks for your short review & yes it does last for a long time even if you used it often or not 🙂 Btw mind i ask why you will stop buying Dirty again? ---
**Author:** ![Robbie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2acd7d/32.png) [@Robbie](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Robbie)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2008, 6:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855/26 "2008-10-20T18:12:07Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > Everyone cool with 10mcg per drop again? Maybe we should bump it up or down. Perhaps down so you can dose it more easily, and get more surface area. I say leave it at 10mcg. I’ve not seen anyone complain about having issues with the amount. ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2008, 6:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855/27 "2008-10-20T18:24:57Z")
> [@tfrankz](#): > > Jasmin > So when can we expect to see Raw Power back? > [@woofie2](#): > > Sounds like fun… 😃 First of all my thanks Lady Jasmin for your great response there 🙂 Appreciate it very much 😃 Yes 10MCG per drop will be sufficient for me, i’m ok with it 🙂 Hmm it seems the guys wanted to know when [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/) & this mysterious new mix “PheroBomb” will be out, i’m putting my order in line if these two are out. So Lady Jasmin mind telling us when these two will be out? But i’m still hoping that Dirty will be released too & i’m not giving it up & i’m determined to get it 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2008, 8:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855/28 "2008-10-20T20:02:51Z")
> [@PhatSounds](#): > > Well denec, i can’t make the seperate polls as my intention is for both pheros btw sorry. Thanks for your short review & yes it does last for a long time even if you used it often or not 🙂 Btw mind i ask why you will stop buying Dirty again? oh i never purchased Dirty, and from what i read about it from what people posted I just have no inkling at all to ever use it, I do not need to ever smell like sex, it just not something I have a desire to want or feel I need to attract women. ---
**Author:** ![PhatSounds](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phatsounds/32/233_2.png) [@PhatSounds](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PhatSounds)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2008, 8:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855/29 "2008-10-20T20:07:44Z")
> [@denec](#): > > oh i never purchased Dirty, and from what i read about it from what people posted I just have no inkling at all to ever use it, I do not need to ever smell like sex, it just not something I have a desire to want or feel I need to attract women. Hmm, i see, thanks for explaining there denec 🙂 Well each one of us got our own preference, some might like what we like & some don’t:) Speaking of which that mysterious new mix “PheroBomb” must be in limited quantity right Lady Jasmin? ---
**Author:** ![denec](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/denec/32/1730_2.png) [@denec](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/denec)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2008, 8:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855/30 "2008-10-20T20:13:06Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > We can do a small batch of Raw Power again. I don’t see why not. > > Everyone cool with 10mcg per drop again? Maybe we should bump it up or down. Perhaps down so you can dose it more easily, and get more surface area. RawPower is definitely great! I probably would not be purchasing in the near future as i said in my previous post only because I have a bottle that is 3/4 full but I love it! I say keep it at 10mcg. > [@](#): > > Probably the best we’ll be able to do with another strong, named product is PheroBomb. PheroBomb will closely mimic it’s name in both formula and terms of effect. It’ll give you a light bombing of all of the old traditional standby’s with some of the newer in your face pheromones that we’re also comfortable with, like P83. Think shrapnel or the end part of a cool fireworks show. It won’t be as precise or pointed as PheroProof, which is kinda like a pherosmartmissile, but it should still be a lot of fun. Now pherobomb I am really interested in!!! ---
**Author:** ![DssMaster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dssmaster/32/1686_2.png) [@DssMaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/DssMaster)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 2:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855/31 "2008-10-21T02:28:20Z")
Would like to give [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/) and Dirty a good try in the future, since they seem to get the kind of sexual tension I’m interested in…how about that PheroProof? ---
**Author:** ![Jedi\_Nights](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jedi_nights/32/346_2.png) [@Jedi\_Nights](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jedi_Nights)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 3:05am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855/32 "2008-10-21T03:05:38Z")
Wouldn’t Turn Up The Heat and [Lust After Me](https://phera.com/product/lust-after-me/) in a combo emulate Dirty? Androstenone + cops ? * * * What is your beautiful fragrance O Lust After Me You are as an ocean of rare orchids in a far off exotic meadow You are as a succulent fruit from a scarce and glamorous tree That is why I will sing to thee O Lust After Me! * * * ---
**Author:** ![Savages5CB](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/savages5cb/32/2181_2.png) [@Savages5CB](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Savages5CB)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 4:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855/33 "2008-10-21T04:12:55Z")
Whoa. Just read the info on [Lust After Me](https://phera.com/product/lust-after-me/)… Is it really true that Copulins increase Test in men? Would this actually help, say in the weight room?!?! ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 12:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855/34 "2008-10-21T12:09:01Z")
> [@woofie2](#): > > I wonder is it that they cannot get the ingredients to make these products? > > do they need a preorder or “group Buy” to afford making them? It’s not the ingredients when it comes to copulins, it’s the formula. How you put the ingredients together. I’ve yet to smell anything that smells like the “real thing”. We’re a quality oriented company, and we don’t like to be associated with anything that’s not superb. That’s the long and short of it. > [@](#): > > Or did they just not get enough feedback from those who did buy the products to realize they were worthy of producing? > > I would be willing to lay out some cash up front for some of either, but I would want a refund if the order does not go through within 6 months or so. While it’s true we don’t get enough feedback on some things, that’s not true with copulin based stuff. We know people want them. That’s not the issue. We’ve hired perfumers to give it a go, and have rejected the work. We have gallons of different attempts that we could throw in right now, but that doesn’t work with our quality ethos. We have another perfumer on it now, but it’ll take awhile to see what he comes up with. This is not a typical request for most perfumers. The accurate smell of a human vagina is not your typical department store scent. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 12:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855/35 "2008-10-21T12:13:25Z")
> [@tfrankz](#): > > Jasmin > So when can we expect to see Raw Power back? We can likely schedule it for after this Thursday, if we have everything we need to batch it. We might want to cover this new version somewhat. Maybe use the same sort of cover and diffusion package we have in A314 now. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 12:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855/36 "2008-10-21T12:22:01Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > This is not a typical request for most perfumers. The accurate smell of a human vagina is not your typical department store scent. Indeed. Raises a whole lot of questions on the perfumer’s part: Whose “scent” does he base it on? How does he do scent comparisons? How often does he go back to the “original”. Lots of issues there. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 12:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855/37 "2008-10-21T12:24:23Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > I want PheroProof back. I already feel dirty enough! I concur with wanting Pheroproof back. I also concur with Gegogi being a dirty … oh, never mind. My bad. LOL. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Jedi\_Nights](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jedi_nights/32/346_2.png) [@Jedi\_Nights](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jedi_Nights)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 1:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855/38 "2008-10-21T13:22:01Z")
> [@Savages5CB](#): > > Whoa. > > Just read the info on Lust After Me… > > Is it really true that Copulins increase Test in men? > > Would this actually help, say in the weight room?!?! Well, that makes sense, but why are you thinking weight room and not bedroom? LOL! 😃 It makes me horny, so yes, I believe it kicks up the Test level. See /mens-[pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/)-advice-tricks-tips/lust-after-me-od-d-myself-21529.html#post164532 ---
**Author:** ![Jasmin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jasmin/32/287_2.png) [@Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jasmin)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 3:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855/39 "2008-10-21T15:32:41Z")
> [@bosshank](#): > > Indeed. Raises a whole lot of questions on the perfumer’s part: Whose “scent” does he base it on? How does he do scent comparisons? How often does he go back to the “original”. Lots of issues there. Hehe, yeah. It’s awkward. The whole situation can get a little funny. Also, a lot of perfumers train on one fragrance chemical suppliers palette, and that’s it. Someone from Asia might try to stick primarily with Takasago sourced chemicals, while someone else might stick mostly with Givaudan or IFF. The perfumers who use a broader palette are harder to come by. It tends to be both the world’s best or utter novices who are open to trying unusual compounds and approaches. The middle range perfumers are more constrained in their work. We have an interesting guy on it now, though. I have to get him some more research so he has a better idea of which direction to go in composition-wise. I think he’s even a straightforward heterosexual male, which is a plus. (many successful perfumers wouldn’t know what a real copulin smelled like if it their life depending on it!) ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2008, 3:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855/40 "2008-10-21T15:45:23Z")
> [@Jasmin](#): > > It’s not the ingredients when it comes to copulins, it’s the formula. How you put the ingredients together. Wasn’t quite my question but thanks for the reply. I was wondering about the base oil or something, not like you can go to the autoparts store and get a jug of mobil1 or something. If you don’t have the right ingredients, you can’t make the same cake. > [@Jasmin](#): > > I’ve yet to smell anything that smells like the “real thing”. Yeah, it’s well it smells like Jasmin, but not Tisha, or vice versa. everyone smells a bit differently, and each smell is interpreted by the smeller differently. I have smelled some that flat stunk, and others thought they smelled great. I have a friend who loves the smell of road kill skunk. Me thinks she is nuts, with a capitol N. > [@Jasmin](#): > > We’re a quality oriented company, and we don’t like to be associated with anything that’s not superb. That’s the long and short of it. Good place to be, I would rather pay a bit more for something that was top quality, than get a discount that was subpar in quality. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/do-we-want-raw-power-dirty/189855.md?page=3)