# does anyone feel IS Ammo p75 IO has drug like qualities on the user? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [February 6, 2013, 2:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072 "2013-02-06T02:16:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 2:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072/1 "2013-02-06T02:16:43Z")
Just noticed whenever i wear this combo I am basically in a stoned haze, sometimes for hours.. I only use 2.5 mcg of p75.. WhenI use p75 with summer ammo this never happens… But with regular ammo it does and its with neroli scent. What could it be? Women are very edgey and bitchy when I wear it.. Sure they may show some iois but overall they’re really on edge. Is this a terrible combo for a first date, or a dinner date wherever good conversation is a must? Is it better for bars? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 4:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072/2 "2013-02-06T04:07:45Z")
> [@](#): > > Just noticed whenever i wear this combo I am basically in a stoned haze, sometimes for hours.. I only use 2.5 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) of [p75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) .. WhenI use [p75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) with summer [ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) this never happens… But with regular [ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) it does and its with [neroli](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neroli) scent. [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) has often been reported to cause stimulation and pressure in the frontal lobes especially in women. The frontal lobe controls Motor Functions, Higher Order Functions, Planning, Reasoning, Judgement, Impulse Control and Memory. The crankiness or edginess may be due to impulse control and reasoning. Men have often reported similar effects. The reason your probably not feeling this way with summer ammo is because its more buffered then regular ammo and thats balancing things out for you. > [@](#): > > Is this a terrible combo for a first date, or a dinner date wherever good conversation is a must? No not bad it probably just needs more social buffering. Something that causes ease to offset the moodiness. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 8:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072/3 "2013-02-06T08:07:56Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > P75 has often been reported to cause stimulation and pressure in the frontal lobes especially in women. The frontal lobe controls Motor Functions, Higher Order Functions, Planning, Reasoning, Judgement, Impulse Control and Memory. The crankiness or edginess may be due to impulse control and reasoning. > > Men have often reported similar effects. The reason your probably not feeling this way with summer ammo is because its more buffered then regular ammo and thats balancing things out for you. > > No not bad it probably just needs more social buffering. Something that causes ease to offset the moodiness. > > Tisha If you had to pick the best TIME/SITUATION to choose summer ammo p75 vs IS ammo p75 IO on the same targets (young girls 25 or under) when would you do so? I know a girl who responds well to summer ammo p75 , but she’s more buddy buddy with me and laid back. I’m more social, relaxed and laid back too. With IS [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) AMMO she’s more aggressive, edgey, but also looks more excited (bigger wide smiles, etc). I feel more charged with this combo. I’m confused if I should change up combos on her. I guess there’s only 1 way to find out but I really don’t want to start an argument with her because i change mone signatures and they have such huge self effects on me and others. Is there an opportune time to wear each type? ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 8:54am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072/4 "2013-02-06T08:54:38Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > P75 has often been reported to cause stimulation and pressure in the frontal lobes especially in women. The frontal lobe controls Motor Functions, Higher Order Functions, Planning, Reasoning, Judgement, Impulse Control and Memory. The crankiness or edginess may be due to impulse control and reasoning. > > Tisha Women seem to like it. What accounts for this? ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 11:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072/5 "2013-02-06T11:42:21Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > Women seem to like it. What accounts for this? I would like an answer to this too.. I wonder if its only attracting fertile females, females who respond to sexually confident men (i.e. sexual active females or those looking for sex), and also women during ovulation? Personally the girls I’m working on now are in daygame and I have plenty of chances to see them over many weeks/months so I’d rather build some sort of rapport with summer ammo p75 instead of a direct bar hitting approach. So many things to ask to build some attraction like what they study at school, what their nationality is, what foods they enjoy.. once showing some basic interest its easy to ask then for a date on subsequent visits and know where to take them. Young women who are not club hoppers may respond to this approach and something like summer ammo p75 will do it better than the other combo which leaves me incoherent and just blurting anything out. The trick is do you want to be spontaneous and aloof cause IS AMMO p75 IO will do that to you.. Or do you want to be more social leading up to sex at some point (maybe down the road in a relationship)? It really depends.. Summer ammo has some good points.. It makes women chase. But it also may put out too much of a friendly vibe.. With some women you can go from acquantainces to lovers but others will categorize you as a friend from the start. If you’re in a bar forget summer ammo p75 its too slow moving.. A stronger signature like IS AMMO p75 IO is better IMHO. But for daygame, that latter signature may be your achilles heel with some women since you may come off as coming on too strong. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 2:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072/6 "2013-02-06T14:40:25Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > Women seem to like it. What accounts for this? Well I cant say for sure but its probably memory associated with emotion. Your frontal lobe also is where you suppress socially unacceptable responses. Over stimulation of the area can go either way and may depend on there core personality. > [@](#): > > If you had to pick the best TIME/SITUATION to choose summer ammo p75 vs IS ammo p75 IO on the same targets (young girls 25 or under) when would you do so? Well just in reference to the mixes you asked about… Summer ammo plus others mentioned when your out and about in a social environment or some place you are not alone with her. Non date situations. Regular ammo plus others mentioned in a more intimate environment. One on one type encounters. Date type situations. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 4:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072/7 "2013-02-06T16:24:29Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Well I cant say for sure but its probably memory associated with emotion. Your frontal lobe also is where you suppress socially unacceptable responses. Over stimulation of the area can go either way and may depend on there core personality. > > Well just in reference to the mixes you asked about… > > Summer ammo plus others mentioned when your out and about in a social environment or some place you are not alone with her. Non date situations. > > Regular ammo plus others mentioned in a more intimate environment. One on one type encounters. Date type situations. > > Tisha I’ll cross my fingers and go with this Tisha.. I’ll try summer ammo p75 as I converse with my target in group settings over the next month leading up to asking her for a date.. then [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) p75 plus socials for the date itself. I have some emotional issues with regular ammo p75 IO IS as I’ve seen the worst with it (i.e. me in a rather aggressive mood, others edgy and bitchy.) and sometimes I have this negative feedback loop where the thought of wearing that combo brings back negative associations and memories which effect me in a bad way since I have this bipolar disorder. To give you an example, when I wore reg ammo, IS, IO, p75 the girl was giving huge smiles to another guy while ignoring me.. Then when she seated me and SO she was still looking at him, and although I was checking her out gave me no iois.. Then when i stopped looking at her I caught her looking at me. Finally later on i talked to her and when I ran into her (she was conveniently waiting in a secluded place by where I was sitting) there was this huge smile on her face and I just said hi.. Nonetheless I wasjust blurting out garbage instead of seductively leading steps towards dating. This kinda garbage does me no good when seducing. Who cares if there’s iois , her following me etc when she’s trying to make me jealous by checking out other guys etc. I wonder if the mix left her feeling angry. Perhaps she was on her period that day. I don’t know if ammo p75 is worth it to tell you the truth.. Just leaves me anxious, edgy, and rather tense as hell. And when that happens , nothing good comes about. It even intimidates women. They’re drawn to it but it makes ME feel like crap.. I don’t like it one bit.. I feel NO CONTROL over my thoughts.. Its like I am just going with the moment for everything, and i don’t like that I like to think and seduce and keep my frame of mind alert on the task at hand, not impulsive behavior. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2013, 7:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072/8 "2013-02-06T19:54:27Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Well I cant say for sure but its probably memory associated with emotion. Your frontal lobe also is where you suppress socially unacceptable responses. Over stimulation of the area can go either way and may depend on there core personality. > Tisha P75 has none of the primal sexuality of boar husbandry or many of the issues discussed in evolver’s thread, which is why I can use it (nearly) anywhere. It seems to convey a very elite status, something between A314, androsterone and IShine. Many speculate A314 has P75 in it. Have You exposed yourself to males wearing this? I found one female user reporting self effects similar to what I’ve felt. It promotes erect posture, slow, steady gait, deliberate speech, keen focus with the eye of the predator and a cougar-like pursuit of females–frankly. More than five years going, and we still know next to nothing. Females don’t buy it, because it’s not a women’s product. If women smell it on their men regularly, they’ve said little about the emotional or erotic effects it may or may not have. These limitations restrict its utility in NONE-alternative consumer mixes and MX versions, although I don’t doubt the company uses/has used it in many products. It’s Golden and is far too valuable to overlook. Going back to the OP, heavy IO + IH at three sprays is a quick hitter with P75. I tell people to aim for Spaceland / CTTM2 + P75. Wait for the burn in of P75, then steer it with NONE or [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) (even P74 maybe). Women love the ANOL buzz and the soulful depth of the BNOL. If they’re into you, you can move on with a little NONE when the attraction is there. You can go from “Hi, what’s our name” to deep secrets quite quickly. All of the latest social research says couple and dating bonding comes from shared, deeply personal experiences…which IH offers in spades if you massage it a little. “When you both make yourselves vulnerable from the outset and are candid in revealing who you are and how you think and feel, you create an environment that fosters the kind of openness that can lead to an instant connection.” From the book Click: The Magic of Instant Connections. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2013, 1:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072/9 "2013-02-07T01:38:41Z")
> [@](#): > > Have You exposed yourself to males wearing this? Have I exposed myself LOL Umm… yes on occasion I have been known to expose myself to people even males 😃 I have also been exposed to pretty much every pheromone, mix and putative here both on myself and on others both male and female. I also had a group of friends both male and female blind test almost every molecule here. Yes I agree its in A314 as well but there are so many different putatives in it working off one another. P75 when I have worn it gives me a tension headache. It has a masculine feel to it. It has a boldness to it not worn well by females at least not with out tremendous buffering. It tends to pull me into myself, make me more introspective. I agree with your take of the feeling most men get. An elite feeling or distinguished. When worn by men, it signals that as well as strength of character and masculinity to those exposed. There is nothing directly sexual about P75 but arousal is a funny thing. Some of those traits I mention can cause arousal. They definitely cause interest and attraction. > [@](#): > > Going back to the OP, heavy IO + IH at three sprays is a quick hitter with P75. I tell people to aim for Spaceland / CTTM2 + P75. Wait for the burn in of P75, then steer it with NONE or P83 (even P74 maybe). Women love the ANOL buzz and the soulful depth of the BNOL. If they’re into you, you can move on with a little NONE when the attraction is there. You can go from “Hi, what’s our name” to deep secrets quite quickly. All of the latest social research says couple and dating bonding comes from shared, deeply personal experiences…which IH offers in spades if you massage it a little. I tend to agree more so with IH. It give’s those more heavy molecules depth and soul and helps create intimacy. P75 paired with the right mixes or [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) can be a very powerful attractant. > [@](#): > > More than five years going, and we still know next to nothing. Whats known about P75 and all the putatives here may not be easily found in the forums and thats the way AD prefers it for testing purposes but many of he long time users and testers know plenty about these older putatives that have been around a long time. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 12:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072/10 "2013-02-08T12:39:31Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Well just in reference to the mixes you asked about… > > Summer ammo plus others mentioned when your out and about in a social environment or some place you are not alone with her. Non date situations. > > Regular ammo plus others mentioned in a more intimate environment. One on one type encounters. Date type situations. > > Tisha What about social situations where I want to ASK for a date? In a case like that should I go in with summer ammo p75 or IS ammo p75 and socials? Rememeber this isn’t the date night but it would be early evening and when I’m going to ask for it.. If one of these products is better than the other at swaying her mind I need to know. I know what to say: She knows my SO and I are just friends now. So I say: “Since I’m no longer ina relationship, I was wondering if you’d join me for dinner this Sat night at Alice Fazooli’s restaurant around 6 pm?” It’s pretty direct.. I means either she says yes or declines me. I’m BUILDING up to this moment by getting her to invest in me (check out my music videos on youtube etc) and also showing interest in her as a person. After 2-3 visits I’m planning on asking. What is your recommendation for mones…? If I change my signature just before asking and she’s used to summer ammo p75 it may work better but may also cause confusion.. A little concerned here.. If she gets confused at THAT moment after being exposed to summer ammo p75 for all these weeks, it could mess me up and mess her up too. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 1:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072/11 "2013-02-08T13:22:12Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Well I cant say for sure but its probably memory associated with emotion. Your frontal lobe also is where you suppress socially unacceptable responses. Over stimulation of the area can go either way and may depend on there core personality. > > Tisha MEMORY associated with EMOTION. So women who respond to [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/) are emotional women as opposed to more rational women? Do you think it attracts women who are more impulsive by nature? ---
**Author:** ![Ragnar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Ragnar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ragnar)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 2:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072/12 "2013-02-08T14:27:40Z")
I have a small sample of P75 from my first order. I have been nervous to try it out, as like you, I have a particular lady that I’m interested in, and I don’t want to blow it by experimenting with her reactions! So far, for 5 days, I’ve been using normal ammo with 4 sprays of Shine. It seemed to unsettle her at first; she would flirt with me a little, then get the DIHL effect, then look confused. the 2nd and 3rd days she seemed to be more relaxed and flirty. But it was noticeable that her behaviour was majorly influenced by other issues going on at home. On 2 particular days she was preoccupied by these issues, and obviously any effects from my mones were minimal. I have just ordered To Go sized [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and IH; I was interested to see that you plan to use Summer Ammo with P75. May I ask what your reasoning is here? What effect do you anticipate from adding P75 to Summer Ammo? Just curious, as I am in the same boat as you - building up to asking for a date.😃 ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 2:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072/13 "2013-02-08T14:45:34Z")
Summer ammo with p75 works very well demostrating a soft yet masculine vibe with the younger ladies. ---
**Author:** ![Ragnar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e79b87/32.png) [@Ragnar](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ragnar)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 3:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072/14 "2013-02-08T15:05:44Z")
Ah ha! Younger ladies? My lady is 35+. Does this make [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) unsuitable? And what about adding P75 ? How does that affect Summer Ammo? Thanks for your thoughts. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 4:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072/15 "2013-02-08T16:12:09Z")
> [@Ragnar](#): > > Ah ha! Younger ladies? My lady is 35+. Does this make Summer Ammo unsuitable? > And what about adding P75 ? How does that affect Summer Ammo? > > Thanks for your thoughts. Not unsuitable but you may find you need to add-in some androstenone to raise its proportion in the mix a bit. I’ve been using TUTH or A7 to good effect here. P75 is also a good none alternative with [Summer Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/), although its not quite enough to get the best out of it around older women - some more none also helps. Several good threads discussing both these approaches already if you want to search rather than dragging this one further off P75/IO. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 4:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072/16 "2013-02-08T16:46:41Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > Going back to the OP, heavy IO + IH at three sprays is a quick hitter with P75. I tell people to aim for Spaceland / CTTM2 + P75. Wait for the burn in of P75, then steer it with NONE or P83 (even P74 maybe). Women love the ANOL buzz and the soulful depth of the BNOL. If they’re into you, you can move on with a little NONE when the attraction is there. You can go from “Hi, what’s our name” to deep secrets quite quickly. All of the latest social research says couple and dating bonding comes from shared, deeply personal experiences…which IH offers in spades if you massage it a little. I’ll try IS AMMO p75 with heavy IO IH (3 sprays each). But let me tell you this.. I feel tense as hell and anxious as hell with that combo.. And any product that makes me tense and anxious is NOT going to help me with game. If I’m incoherent because of this mix I won’t be able to focus enough to think clearly about what to say do. No brownie points for blurting out anything. I’ll keep shine at 3 sprays, ammo at 1 (since shes 21), p75 at 2.5 mcg (my sweet spot) and IO IH at 3 sprays each. Still the buzz I get from it leaves me feeling really hazed out. Could be interacting with drugs I take for bipolar. I don’t know.. I never have this problem with summer ammo p75. Yet that mix is a boy’s product not a mans. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 5:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072/17 "2013-02-08T17:02:48Z")
> [@Ragnar](#): > > Ah ha! Younger ladies? My lady is 35+. Does this make Summer Ammo unsuitable? > And what about adding P75 ? How does that affect Summer Ammo? > > Thanks for your thoughts. Summer ammo p75 and a shot or more of tuth should do the job. I’ve had cougars after me with it.. but tuth usually backfires on my body chemistry as do high none products and I’m over 40! ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 5:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072/18 "2013-02-08T17:05:21Z")
BTW has anyone noticed that buffering p75 with IS still leaves them anxious and tense and incoherent? I found p75 on its OWN works fine for me and there’s none of this edginess, incoherent etc but when mixed with shine from the start there is.. Interesting. Perhaps I should try 2.5 mcg p75 wait for 2-3 hrs then add in IS AMMO IO IH… Maybe that would be better… as opposed to IS p75 then later adding in ammo io ih. Anyone else experience this? It might of been Catlord who mentioned that p75 works best on its own.. perhaps during burn in. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2013, 5:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072/19 "2013-02-08T17:54:55Z")
Yes - I’ve found that pheros like IS, TAC and A1 are not up to buffering [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) on its own. I don’t get so much of the self effects though but the edginess is obvious in subjects, esp in the first couple of hours, maybe till my own nol production begins to kick-in? In fact nols do seem to be the most effective P75 buffer of all I’ve tried yet. P75 as a standalone is not one I’ve found that effective, except to increase presence, which it does in all the wrong ways for me. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2013, 6:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072/20 "2013-02-09T06:51:41Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Yes - I’ve found that pheros like IS, TAC and A1 are not up to buffering P75 on its own. I don’t get so much of the self effects though but the edginess is obvious in subjects, esp in the first couple of hours, maybe till my own nol production begins to kick-in? > > In fact nols do seem to be the most effective P75 buffer of all I’ve tried yet. > > P75 as a standalone is not one I’ve found that effective, except to increase presence, which it does in all the wrong ways for me. p75 on its own works fine for me.. No adverse effects on me (hazed incoherent mind) at all .. Some women like it others don’t. It’s when I add IS that it backfires on me. i become stoned off it.. maybe the 2 don’t mix well.. i thinks socials should be added later after p75 burn in , maybe after 3 hrs. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-anyone-feel-is-ammo-p75-io-has-drug-like-qualities-on-the-user/58072.md?page=2)