# Does refraining from masturbation increase natural pheromone production? **URL:** \ **Category:** Pheromone Theory & Molecules\ **Created:** [January 31, 2008, 8:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787 "2008-01-31T20:24:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GoldenForest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c57346/32.png) [@GoldenForest](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GoldenForest)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 7:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787/21 "2008-02-07T07:07:43Z")
Yes, I have also heard of there being a way to improve stamina Something involving stimulating the male multiple times, but I don’t remember anything other then that and that the girlfriend was supposed to do it for it to be the most effective it is supposed to desensitize the male member to non sexual contact so you only get erections when touched sexually, and it is also supposed to increase the sensitivity of the sensations that are actual sexual in nature I just remember reading it in a magazine once when I was like 12 years old, I thought it was kind of funny, but no clue if it actually works or not ---
**Author:** ![3six5](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/6a8cbe/32.png) [@3six5](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/3six5)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2008, 5:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787/22 "2008-02-17T17:44:32Z")
> [@vision92](#): > > Hey guys, > Re: Does refraining from masturbation increase natural pheromone production? > I was just wondering if this is true? I remember reading it on some site a while back. in my experiences this is true. ---
**Author:** ![Phya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/94ad74/32.png) [@Phya](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phya)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2008, 5:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787/23 "2008-03-03T05:41:54Z")
I’d say that not masturbating helps if for no other reason than the ‘go get it’ attitude that builds up over time. Also I think there might be more to it that just body chemistry. I’m a believer in conditioning and if you condition yourself to get aroused at every image of a woman, rather than an actual woman, you might have a hard time relating to the actual person in front of you, not to mention distracted every damn second in today’s society.. ---
**Author:** ![incubusattacks](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/incubusattacks/32/1259_2.png) [@incubusattacks](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/incubusattacks)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 6:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787/24 "2008-03-06T06:41:54Z")
Well this is an interesting topic… Hah when I was w/ my ex-gf I was getting tons of looks and advances from girls. Now that we’ve broken up i’ve been _ahem_ been “moisturizing” a lot lately and now I rarely get looks from girls. Coincidence? ---
**Author:** ![Mohammad\_Shah](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mohammad_shah/32/873_2.png) [@Mohammad\_Shah](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mohammad_Shah)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 6:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787/25 "2008-03-06T06:58:39Z")
> [@incubusattacks](#): > > Well this is an interesting topic… > > Hah when I was w/ my ex-gf I was getting tons of looks and advances from girls. Now that we’ve broken up i’ve been _ahem_ been “moisturizing” a lot lately and now I rarely get looks from girls. Coincidence? Probably, copulin is involved in this case. ---
**Author:** ![GoldenForest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c57346/32.png) [@GoldenForest](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GoldenForest)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2008, 7:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787/26 "2008-03-06T07:32:05Z")
> [@incubusattacks](#): > > Well this is an interesting topic… > > Hah when I was w/ my ex-gf I was getting tons of looks and advances from girls. Now that we’ve broken up i’ve been _ahem_ been “moisturizing” a lot lately and now I rarely get looks from girls. Coincidence? Generally you are more attractive when you are in a good relationship because you are coming from the right mindset when speaking to or interacting with attractive women So I do not know that this could be considered a genuine example but my findings are congruent with your own, when I do not I get far more attention which is why I refrain, lol ---
**Author:** ![hohohate](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/hohohate/32/2429_2.png) [@hohohate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/hohohate)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2009, 5:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787/27 "2009-10-08T05:51:49Z")
Prolly not. Just alters them. ---
**Author:** ![moonbear](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/moonbear/32/1606_2.png) [@moonbear](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/moonbear)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2009, 2:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787/28 "2009-11-12T14:21:30Z")
most sex manuals say if you dont use it you lose it.and this is something i have discussed with a consultant urologist recently.as i am just comeing out an 18 month period were i had an enlarged prostate.it also led to E.D (erectile dysfunction )at the begining of it all i tried everything i could to stop from haveing erectile dysfunction i didnt have a partner or girl but like all men wanted to perform if the occasion arose.plus masterbation is enjoyable.so sought out advice.as well as the advice i got i also noticed that with not be able to masterbate i was beginning to lose the feel the want and the need i used to have.as soon as the operation to cure the prostate was done and the erectile dysfuntion stopped,it took a week or so to get the erections to form naturally again.but as soon as they did and i made up for lost time.i began to feel sexual again feel the want feel the need it grew stronger by the day.dureing the period were i had dysfunction women seemed not to want to be around me and look at me really oddly when the function came back and i started to feel basically like an animal again ready to fulfill my needs women around me seemed to change as well.hope this helps there is a lot more to the prostrate thing and i have 18 months of it biopsis the whole shebang.in the u.k prostrate cancer is the biggest killer of men.and most of us are to shy to go to a doc when there is a prob and speak up.anyone who thinks they have a problem and want help or info i am will ing to tell you all you need in private if you prefer by p.m or email.i feel so strongly about the subject…del 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Butterfly](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/butterfly/32/1942_2.png) [@Butterfly](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Butterfly)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2009, 7:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787/29 "2009-11-22T19:59:23Z")
Frequent masturbation is probably correlated with excessive porn use which is correlated with a lack of seduction skills. ---
**Author:** ![moonbear](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/moonbear/32/1606_2.png) [@moonbear](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/moonbear)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787/30 "2009-11-22T20:09:52Z")
i would have to disagree there and say the frequency for men at least is tied to the amount of testosterone being released.i never had access to porn growing up there were no porn mags computers and it defo never reached tv.unyet i was masterbateing quite frequently at the age of 9.😃😃😃😃 ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787/31 "2009-11-22T20:23:01Z")
> [@moonbear](#): > > i would have to disagree there and say the frequency for men at least is tied to the amount of testosterone being released.i never had access to porn growing up there were no porn mags computers and it defo never reached tv.unyet i was masterbateing quite frequently at the age of 9.😃😃😃😃 AGreed it could be a question of drive / testosterone levels which makes you that way. ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2009, 5:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787/32 "2009-11-23T17:13:14Z")
> [@incubusattacks](#): > > Well this is an interesting topic… > > Hah when I was w/ my ex-gf I was getting tons of looks and advances from girls. Now that we’ve broken up i’ve been _ahem_ been “moisturizing” a lot lately and now I rarely get looks from girls. Coincidence? I think the right mindset is part of it. I think the copulins may be part of it. I also think another part is based on “social proof” - married guys see it all the time. If one decent woman wants you the others think you gotta have something. ---
**Author:** ![Pheraoh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheraoh/32/857_2.png) [@Pheraoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pheraoh)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2009, 1:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787/33 "2009-11-25T13:06:43Z")
When masturbation becomes a serious problem: > **[I Can't Stop Masturbating (2007) PART1](https://www.youtube.com/v/gtgsMCECWnw)** > > 95% of men admit to masturbating. But some men masturbate more than others. Much more... 'I Can't Stop Masturbating' will follow two men as they try to break... [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/4/4d9f561c2d3d74f23b73af32eb08ce2cc6944870.jpeg "I Can't Stop Masturbating (2007) PART2") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03VxKKqVPQM) [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/6/6361421df75a90d2f73dcb29a14cc8696029618f.jpeg "I Can't Stop Masturbating (2007) PART3") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWfyW3WKPxY) [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/c/cb388f6f012845d04878d7c8ae4c2b12ee5b0730.jpeg "I Can't Stop Masturbating (2007) PART4") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhvsBv43Gzg) [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/9/9de7f69117c05542b378c0c3b0920f803e2201d3.jpeg "I Can't Stop Masturbating (2007) PART5") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCAY3WtY7JQ) ---
**Author:** ![Olfact\_Amorous](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/olfact_amorous/32/434_2.png) [@Olfact\_Amorous](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Olfact_Amorous)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2009, 2:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787/34 "2009-12-06T14:14:48Z")
Its weird but like masturbation seems to indirectly trigger response from women when I go out with a certain amount of time after said activity. Now i hardly consider the activity as something to add to the mix but the scent of sex seems to be on you even though no vaginal fluid residue is on my stinger. I always wondered if you could somehow use vaginal fluid or ejaculation in a pheromone concoction even though i’d probably be abhorrent about doing so. ---
**Author:** ![Xiphoid](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/xiphoid/32/1852_2.png) [@Xiphoid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Xiphoid)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2009, 7:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787/35 "2009-12-07T19:29:47Z")
> [@Olfact\_Amorous](#): > > I always wondered if you could somehow use vaginal fluid or ejaculation in a pheromone concoction even though i’d probably be abhorrent about doing so. Copulins are vaginal secretions 🙂 Ok, so the cops you buy in a bottle didn’t have their contents collected from women, but they are identical chemically to the fatty acids in vaginal secretions. I have heard of women who “used own supplies” when they couldn’t get ahold of the bottled version though… 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![LaughingPenguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/73ab20/32.png) [@LaughingPenguin](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/LaughingPenguin)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2010, 6:39am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787/36 "2010-01-19T06:39:02Z")
Going to bring this topic back… I’ve been abstaining (DAY 19 now) and noticed positive effect such as an increase in energy and desire to go out. It might be placebo but hey, as long as it positive…But this research has got me thinking… thought this article would be an interest read "Chinese researchers conducted a study in 2003, and enlisted twenty-eight male volunteers to abstain from ejaculation for a period of one week. The participants were tested daily for deviations on serum testosterone levels. The Chinese study was the first to measure the influence of ejaculation frequency on serum testosterone levels, and the results are provocative. * * * Researchers found that abstaining from ejaculation for six days had no impact on serum testosterone levels. On the seventh day, serum testosterone levels peaked to 145.7% of baseline, and then declined rapidly on the eighth day." "Researchers believe testosterone declined on day eight from the negative feedback suppression of Leutinizing hormone secretion. Leutinizing hormone is essential for testosterone production, and LH determines free testosterone levels. Suppression of LH would decrease serum testosterone levels, returning them to baseline. The study determined that the frequency of sexual activity and ejaculation impacted testosterone levels. " ---
**Author:** ![Big\_TeddyBear](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/59ef9b/32.png) [@Big\_TeddyBear](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Big_TeddyBear)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2010, 6:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787/37 "2010-02-14T06:06:24Z")
I have actually tested this theory just 2 months ago. I masturbate and have since I was 12. Growing up shy and horny I did it 3 to 4 times a day. Back in November 2009 I stopped and on day 3 or 4 I found more women flirting with me. By the end of the week They were hitting on me. Though it may sound strange to some let me try and put this into perspective. I am 44 years old all though I have times I still think I am in my 20’s. As we get older our natural hormones levels start dropping, in fact they drop 10% when you reach age 30 and continue to drop by 10% every 10 years. So the older you are if you wait 3 to 4 days your levels will build. When I was into body building one of the tricks we used was working our legs on Mondays as the testosterone that was released for the heavy workout loads from leg workouts was 2 to 3 times higher and lasted for 3 days. So when we did upper body we had higher levels of testosterone and could workout harder. I went 2 weeks with no masturbating and the effects were noticeable. This may not work for younger people as their hormones are already high. I hope my sharing is helpful. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![modernsavage](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/modernsavage/32/752_2.png) [@modernsavage](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/modernsavage)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2010, 3:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787/38 "2010-03-04T15:47:27Z")
Interesting thread and I have been doing some ongoing research on this myself. There does seem to be some legitimate research done on the effects of abstinence on things like testosterone levels and dopamine levels. Essentially, there is a certain cycle to testosterone production, where there are gradual increases from 1-5 days of abstinence but then on days 6 and 7 there is a huge spike in the % of increased testosterone production, peaking at around 147%! After this the levels then return to nominal, which might indicate that the natural cycle of ejaculation works on a 7-10 day cycle. I’ve written a more in-depth article on this last year called: **[The Effects of Male Masturbation on Attracting Women](http://themodernsavage.com/2009/02/04/effects-of-male-masturbation-on-attracting-women/)** ![testosterone_chart](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/pheromonetalk/original/2X/6/679a905aa95d7812d3e611759a30726ef0a4c40e.gif) Now, I haven’t seen any thing in my research mentioned about increased pheromone production but it would make sense that there would be considering that there is a proven increase of other male sexual hormones. ---
**Author:** ![unityemissions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9dc877/32.png) [@unityemissions](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unityemissions)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2010, 11:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787/39 "2010-04-22T23:09:23Z")
So what if you continue to stay abstinent after 7-10 days? Does it recycle automatically, or do you need to release? I quit 5 days ago, and started doing high intensity interval training. The testosterone levels have increased dramatically. So much, that I was just in a bar minding my own business, and this guys girl kept eyeing me, and I didn’t even pay her any mind, but the Alpha male was staring me down. 😃 I thought it was hillarious. I don’t even want to get laid, I just love the increase in stamina, emotional stability, and ability to focus for longer periods of time, and sleep less. This rocks! So can I stay like this forever, or must I eventually release to recycle? ---
**Author:** ![unityemissions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/9dc877/32.png) [@unityemissions](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/unityemissions)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2010, 11:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787/40 "2010-07-08T23:50:29Z")
Still waiting for an answer on that last Q if anyone actually knows. I last about two weeks each time I do this. It’s bloody fantabulistic. The benefits are TREMENDOUS for me personally. I was wanking it 2-3 times a day since age 12. The poster who said it’s only to do with testosterone levels in incorrect. It has to do with spiritual awareness and the ability to sublimate your sexual energy. Once I abstain for more than a day, I start becoming much more creative, happy, gain a bizarre sense of humor, etc. I have noticed that there’s a type of visualization/breathing technique that’s a must for ppl with high testosterone yet want to abstain. You seriously start to feel the wind as water, and your belly feels with fire. I know some will think I’m nuts, but it’s all good. Plenty of folks still stuck at the materialistic level of awareness, and that’s a-okay. Peace! 🆒 [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787.md?page=1) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/does-refraining-from-masturbation-increase-natural-pheromone-production/8787.md?page=3)