# Dosages for cttm2 and Instant Openness used individually: how do I avoid overdosing? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 17, 2009, 1:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dosages-for-cttm2-and-instant-openness-used-individually-how-do-i-avoid-overdosing/32529 "2009-09-17T01:03:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![guitarz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ba9def/32.png) [@guitarz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/guitarz)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 1:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dosages-for-cttm2-and-instant-openness-used-individually-how-do-i-avoid-overdosing/32529/1 "2009-09-17T01:03:38Z")
what the dosage to use for cttm2 and Instant openess (assuming products are used individually . Some days just cttm2 , some das just IO) ? So one doesnt over dose for instance i have ben using jsut cmtt2 and noticed nothing. today i upgraded to 4 sprays of cttm2 total and started to notice something. I just dont wanna risk overdosing while in experimentation for the sweet spot ---
**Author:** ![lukus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e4f/32.png) [@lukus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lukus)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 1:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dosages-for-cttm2-and-instant-openness-used-individually-how-do-i-avoid-overdosing/32529/2 "2009-09-17T01:08:24Z")
You can’t really OD on those two products… For your reasurance, Both those product contain only Anol /Bnol, CTTM2 has about 5-7.5mcg of Anol - Spaceland has 50mcg of Anol, I’m happy using 6 sprays of Spaceland + (300mcg). try 6-8 sprays, you will be fine… ---
**Author:** ![Cronixia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a183cd/32.png) [@Cronixia](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cronixia)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 4:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dosages-for-cttm2-and-instant-openness-used-individually-how-do-i-avoid-overdosing/32529/3 "2009-09-17T16:48:04Z")
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**Author:** ![rhuang22](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/rhuang22/32/636_2.png) [@rhuang22](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/rhuang22)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 5:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dosages-for-cttm2-and-instant-openness-used-individually-how-do-i-avoid-overdosing/32529/4 "2009-09-17T17:23:42Z")
> [@Cronixia](#): > > I just received my shipment of IO and IHx2 yesterday (and hopefully my A314 tonight). I tried using 2-3 sprays of the IO and haven’t really noticed anything. So i may try 3 sprays IO and 1 spray IHx2. > > A combination I want to try is- > 1 drop A314 on wrists > 2 spray IO on either side of neck > 1 spray IHx2 on inner elbow > > But hey- I’m a newb, still experimenting and seeing if I get any ‘minimal results’ before going into the more hardcore products. I kind of learned that for some pheros to work, there must be a “social stimulus” as mentioned somewhere on this forum. When I spray myself with pheros and stay home, nothing changes. Everything is the same. But when you spray it and interact with people, that’s when the products really start to show its effects. My best experience for this example is with androstenone. I can spray myself with high mcg of -none and sometimes feel nothing at all when I’m alone. But if I sprayed myself with -none and went to a club, shit you know it’s gonna be on. Increased level of confidence and all… huge increase. But hey, that’s just me though. ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 5:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dosages-for-cttm2-and-instant-openness-used-individually-how-do-i-avoid-overdosing/32529/5 "2009-09-17T17:42:20Z")
what are the effects that cttm2 are supposed to have… I notice IG and IH… but havent noticed cttm2 working for me. I’ve been using like 2 sprays though so maybe i should up it a bit 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Cronixia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a183cd/32.png) [@Cronixia](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cronixia)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 6:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dosages-for-cttm2-and-instant-openness-used-individually-how-do-i-avoid-overdosing/32529/6 "2009-09-17T18:09:20Z")
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**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 6:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dosages-for-cttm2-and-instant-openness-used-individually-how-do-i-avoid-overdosing/32529/7 "2009-09-17T18:14:08Z")
ah, thanks.. i should make a spreadsheet with every product and it’s mixture… you know the mixtures of the other main products? ---
**Author:** ![lukus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e4f/32.png) [@lukus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lukus)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dosages-for-cttm2-and-instant-openness-used-individually-how-do-i-avoid-overdosing/32529/8 "2009-09-17T18:20:17Z")
> [@lethalchead](#): > > what are the effects that cttm2 are supposed to have… I notice IG and IH… but havent noticed cttm2 working for me. I’ve been using like 2 sprays though so maybe i should up it a bit 🙂 CTTM is like IH… So the effects should be somewhat similar just a little less focused on conversation. > [@](#): > > I tried using 2-3 sprays of the IO and haven’t really noticed anything. So i may try 3 sprays IO and 1 spray IHx2 While drowning yourself in [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) does not necessairly mean better results, IO you could easily put on 8 sprays. It’s not like A314 where 8 drops would give you an OD. IH and IO are similar products, I would not use both at the same time personally… IH is designed to trigger deeper conversations, by applying IO to IH you are lowering the emphasis on conversation and leaning towards ‘friendlyness’. Vise versa if you use apply IO and some IH on top, you are moving away from a friendly, icebreaker effect towards deeper conversations… CTTM is in the middle of these two, equally balanced (in terms of dose) friendly /chatty vibe.. A rather neutral standpoint IMO, the friendly person that people like to chat to, but not necesarily the most friendly or someone u could trust with inner most secrets 🙂 With IH i had a couple of people chatting to me loads for no apparant reason, these are people I did not know either… Spaceland which is Anol appears to make me popular but does not make people want to chat away with me (thank god). IO is closer to spaceland, but with the addition of some Bnol helps towards conversations which fits androtics claim as an icebreaker quite nicely 🙂. ---
**Author:** ![Cronixia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a183cd/32.png) [@Cronixia](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Cronixia)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 6:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dosages-for-cttm2-and-instant-openness-used-individually-how-do-i-avoid-overdosing/32529/9 "2009-09-17T18:22:09Z")
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**Author:** ![lukus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e4f/32.png) [@lukus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lukus)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 6:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dosages-for-cttm2-and-instant-openness-used-individually-how-do-i-avoid-overdosing/32529/10 "2009-09-17T18:24:37Z")
I posted a response and it never appeared? :S edit: guess i have to do it again ☹ > [@lethalchead](#): > > what are the effects that cttm2 are supposed to have… I notice IG and IH… but havent noticed cttm2 working for me. I’ve been using like 2 sprays though so maybe i should up it a bit 🙂 CTTM is like IH… So the effects should be somewhat similar just a little less focused on conversation. > [@](#): > > I tried using 2-3 sprays of the IO and haven’t really noticed anything. So i may try 3 sprays IO and 1 spray IHx2 While drowning yourself in pheromones does not necessairly mean better results, IO you could easily put on 8 sprays. It’s not like A314 where 8 drops would give you an OD. IH and IO are similar products, I would not use both at the same time personally… IH is designed to trigger deeper conversations, by applying IO to IH you are lowering the emphasis on conversation and leaning towards ‘friendlyness’. Vise versa if you use apply IO and some IH on top, you are moving away from a friendly, icebreaker effect towards deeper conversations… CTTM is in the middle of these two, equally balanced (in terms of dose) friendly /chatty vibe.. A rather neutral standpoint IMO, the friendly person that people like to chat to, but not necesarily the most friendly or someone u could trust with inner most secrets 🙂 With IH i had a couple of people chatting to me loads for no apparant reason, these are people I did not know either… Spaceland which is Anol appears to make me popular but does not make people want to chat away with me (thank god). IO is closer to spaceland, but with the addition of some Bnol helps towards conversations which fits androtics claim as an icebreaker quite nicely 🙂. ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dosages-for-cttm2-and-instant-openness-used-individually-how-do-i-avoid-overdosing/32529/11 "2009-09-17T18:32:50Z")
awesome.. thanks for the information! Think I might still make a noob post with some of this information. You know if the other 2 oil based products are coming back? I see 2 others; Dirty and [Raw Power](https://a314.com/product/raw-power/)… I like the oil based better personally and wouldn’t mind some more options ---
**Author:** ![lukus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a88e4f/32.png) [@lukus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/lukus)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 6:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dosages-for-cttm2-and-instant-openness-used-individually-how-do-i-avoid-overdosing/32529/12 "2009-09-17T18:41:34Z")
> [@lethalchead](#): > > awesome.. thanks for the information! > Think I might still make a noob post with some of this information. > You know if the other 2 oil based products are coming back? > I see 2 others; Dirty and Raw Power… > I like the oil based better personally and wouldn’t mind some more options Remember those links I gave you in one of your threads and i said dont look at it if you want to blind test? They’re the ones I used to find out what is in androtic’s products… Just dont read about the P’s 😛 > [@Diane's Phero Notes](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dianes-phero-notes/23360): > > These are my compiled research notes based on my post searches and also based on my own and my husband’s experimentation. Please feel free to add to this post, correct where needed and add your own experiences with any of these. Forgive me for not crediting anyone for the work you’ve done, which I’ve unashamedly stolen for the compilation below. You all have my gratitude as do each of those who continue to test, test, test, and report on these and other molecules. Pheromones notes: A314/m –… > [@\-none, -rone, -nol explained](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/none-rone-nol-explained/7720): > > Here is a description of all of these found on another site and as a newB I found it to be very helpful: Androstenone (a.k.a -none, Anone): Signals dominance and aggression, quite competitive. -none is often associated with a sexual response, but by no means exclusively. Androstenol (a.k.a -nol, Anol): Signals youth, and sociability, often induces lots of talking, friendliness and comfort. As it often seems to cause conversation, it can be a good ice breaker. Androsterone (a.k.a -rone, … > [@Individual Pheromone Characteristics](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/individual-pheromone-characteristics/23993): > > So far, some of the [pheromones](https://a314.com/) I’ve been testing and working with seem to have very strong individual characteristics. All of these can sort of be categorized symbolically (at least I do that!). These pheromones could each easily become a dominant theme or signature. Of course, they can and are used together in mixes, but these pheromones don’t seem to lose their individuality much, even in mixes. Alpha Androstenol - Song Bird - happy but mindless communication Beta Androstenol - Singing Wh… You won’t find all of their products (some /all? of their mixes are secrets) and some of them are only proposed to be in their products, I asume by analysing the effects. I think I read recently the oil ones have been out of stock for a long time.. Maybe worth e-mail androtics and asking them… ---
**Author:** ![Reclipse](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reclipse/32/773_2.png) [@Reclipse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reclipse)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 6:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dosages-for-cttm2-and-instant-openness-used-individually-how-do-i-avoid-overdosing/32529/13 "2009-09-17T18:55:59Z")
> [@lethalchead](#): > > ah, thanks.. i should make a spreadsheet with every product and it’s mixture… you know the mixtures of the other main products? one way to get CTTM is to mix 1:1 IO and IH This will give you an exact ratio of the 2 and 2x strength ---
**Author:** ![empath](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/empath/32/2351_2.png) [@empath](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/empath)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 7:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dosages-for-cttm2-and-instant-openness-used-individually-how-do-i-avoid-overdosing/32529/14 "2009-09-17T19:09:42Z")
sweet! I’ve been thinking about starting to make my own… but I think I’ll wait a little bit, although that mixture seems pretty straight forward. ---
**Author:** ![Reclipse](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/reclipse/32/773_2.png) [@Reclipse](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Reclipse)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2009, 7:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/dosages-for-cttm2-and-instant-openness-used-individually-how-do-i-avoid-overdosing/32529/15 "2009-09-17T19:32:57Z")
> [@lukus](#): > > I posted a response and it never appeared? :S > > edit: guess i have to do it again ☹ > > CTTM is like IH… So the effects should be somewhat similar just a little less focused on conversation. > > While drowning yourself in pheromones does not necessairly mean better results, IO you could easily put on 8 sprays. It’s not like A314 where 8 drops would give you an OD. > > IH and IO are similar products, I would not use both at the same time personally… IH is designed to trigger deeper conversations, by applying IO to IH you are lowering the emphasis on conversation and leaning towards ‘friendlyness’. > > Vise versa if you use apply IO and some IH on top, you are moving away from a friendly, icebreaker effect towards deeper conversations… > > CTTM is in the middle of these two, equally balanced (in terms of dose) friendly /chatty vibe.. A rather neutral standpoint IMO, the friendly person that people like to chat to, but not necesarily the most friendly or someone u could trust with inner most secrets 🙂 > > With IH i had a couple of people chatting to me loads for no apparant reason, these are people I did not know either… Spaceland which is Anol appears to make me popular but does not make people want to chat away with me (thank god). IO is closer to spaceland, but with the addition of some Bnol helps towards conversations which fits androtics claim as an icebreaker quite nicely 🙂. spaceland is supposed to be a REALLY high dosage of Anol. I wanna get it (maybe next week) and try it out to see if it does the spacey thing. right now i have a LOT of stuff to work on.. and my friend just put in an order and got me an mx301 so now i can do the comparison.