# Doubts about whether these work: reviews could be planted, where's the proof? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 26, 2010, 12:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/doubts-about-whether-these-work-reviews-could-be-planted-wheres-the-proof/37296 "2010-03-26T00:18:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Vundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/46a35a/32.png) [@Vundi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vundi)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 12:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/doubts-about-whether-these-work-reviews-could-be-planted-wheres-the-proof/37296/1 "2010-03-26T00:18:26Z")
i really am doubting the effectivness of these. It just seems that there is no proof, sure theres all the reviews but those could be planted. I wanna try some but until i get the giftcard thats prolly not gunna happen ---
**Author:** ![Razorpowell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d78d45/32.png) [@Razorpowell](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Razorpowell)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 12:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/doubts-about-whether-these-work-reviews-could-be-planted-wheres-the-proof/37296/2 "2010-03-26T00:32:29Z")
i doubted it for the first week… by the end of this week I have noticed the difference. give it time for women to adjust to how attractive they now find you and you will be pleased ---
**Author:** ![mikotorocks714](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mikotorocks714/32/1509_2.png) [@mikotorocks714](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mikotorocks714)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 12:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/doubts-about-whether-these-work-reviews-could-be-planted-wheres-the-proof/37296/3 "2010-03-26T00:40:08Z")
> [@Vundi](#): > > sure theres all the reviews but those could be planted. I wanna try some but until i get the giftcard thats prolly not gunna happen I really take this to offense because I didn’t take my sweet time submitting all of my reviews for nothing when all that accumulated time could’ve been used on something else. ---
**Author:** ![thirdeyevision0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6de8d8/32.png) [@thirdeyevision0](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thirdeyevision0)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 12:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/doubts-about-whether-these-work-reviews-could-be-planted-wheres-the-proof/37296/4 "2010-03-26T00:46:47Z")
> [@Vundi](#): > > i really am doubting the effectivness of these. It just seems that there is no proof, sure theres all the reviews but those could be planted. I wanna try some but until i get the giftcard thats prolly not gunna happen good for you for not being a sucker..but in this case..it DOES work..i had the same feelings as you before I tried them, now i’m a firm believer and yes..reviews could be planted in theory..but reading through this forum..who would have the time/energy to plant all of this? anyway..hope you do try them out, gotta take a risk sometimes to get the reward 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![Vundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/46a35a/32.png) [@Vundi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vundi)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 12:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/doubts-about-whether-these-work-reviews-could-be-planted-wheres-the-proof/37296/5 "2010-03-26T00:48:03Z")
i didnt mean to offend anyone, i just seems too good to be true ---
**Author:** ![thirdeyevision0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6de8d8/32.png) [@thirdeyevision0](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thirdeyevision0)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 12:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/doubts-about-whether-these-work-reviews-could-be-planted-wheres-the-proof/37296/6 "2010-03-26T00:50:10Z")
> [@Vundi](#): > > i didnt mean to offend anyone, i just seems too good to be true I’ve been using the products for a few weeks now…still can’t believe it’s true 🙂 In many ways this was just what I was looking for ---
**Author:** ![Razorpowell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d78d45/32.png) [@Razorpowell](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Razorpowell)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 12:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/doubts-about-whether-these-work-reviews-could-be-planted-wheres-the-proof/37296/7 "2010-03-26T00:51:26Z")
when people write them up it’s hard to describe the hits you get while also noting how subtle they are. I notice in my own journal it’s often much more subtle than it sounds, but if you use it right it can change quite a bit. But the only real way to do it is to try, there is the money back guarantee after all (though I doubt you’ll need it, unless you end up buying some pheros that are really just an awful match for you) ---
**Author:** ![Vundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/46a35a/32.png) [@Vundi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vundi)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 12:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/doubts-about-whether-these-work-reviews-could-be-planted-wheres-the-proof/37296/8 "2010-03-26T00:58:45Z")
im gunna try a couple of the togos first, what do you reccommend. i was thinkin [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and some IO also how many sprays can i get out of a togo? ---
**Author:** ![Razorpowell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d78d45/32.png) [@Razorpowell](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Razorpowell)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 1:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/doubts-about-whether-these-work-reviews-could-be-planted-wheres-the-proof/37296/9 "2010-03-26T01:01:07Z")
It really depends on you. Maybe a little more information about you (eg age, personality type, what you want to accomplish) ? I would say AMMO is great all purpose, and I can also recommend IH quite highly. ---
**Author:** ![Vundi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/46a35a/32.png) [@Vundi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Vundi)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 1:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/doubts-about-whether-these-work-reviews-could-be-planted-wheres-the-proof/37296/10 "2010-03-26T01:03:33Z")
i posted in the intro section of the forums already ---
**Author:** ![thirdeyevision0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6de8d8/32.png) [@thirdeyevision0](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/thirdeyevision0)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 1:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/doubts-about-whether-these-work-reviews-could-be-planted-wheres-the-proof/37296/11 "2010-03-26T01:06:16Z")
get yourself an IS as well ---
**Author:** ![CoolKat](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/coolkat/32/501_2.png) [@CoolKat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CoolKat)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 2:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/doubts-about-whether-these-work-reviews-could-be-planted-wheres-the-proof/37296/12 "2010-03-26T02:15:11Z")
You can get an axe-like effect, if the girl already thinks you are cute or attractive. Mones can EXPONENTIALLY enhance what is there. That is why I got some axe-like reactions; some girls already do find me attractive in many ways. However, if a girl is on the verge of finding you attractive, you can always ignite or spark attraction and let the mones sneak in from behind, which can lead to amplified attraction. Is it possible? Yes… have u ever found someone u found normally to be just OKAY, but when they dressed up to a prom or some high class social event with nice dress, heels and makeup, they looked amazingly attractive? That is what mones, especially anone -contaning ones can do, if u play the card right ;)All ur past and present life experiences, good or bad, coupled with genetics and mental/physical health affects your natural [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) sig… If you lack something, enhance with what you have… ---
**Author:** ![OoohYahhh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ooohyahhh/32/1274_2.png) [@OoohYahhh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/OoohYahhh)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 2:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/doubts-about-whether-these-work-reviews-could-be-planted-wheres-the-proof/37296/13 "2010-03-26T02:33:26Z")
Heres some stuff you are not going to get in the beginners section. > [@Bad mix?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/5): > > Doood… This is why I keep on saying there is a learning curve with these > > The more self knowledge, self awareness you have, and the more behavioral training, like through acting or NLP, or consciousness training, like various meditative practices, the better you can make use of the possibilites that pheromones offer… I’m sure crowd behavior can be so distinct from individual, personal behavior because of the high levels of naturally occuring pheromones present… the police know this all too well, as do concert promoters, club owners… note all the special precautions and crowd management skills that have to be in place whenever large groups of people congregate, except maybe churches, and man, I wouldn’t put it past the televangelist crowd to waft some of that same phero that the casinos were using to help the congregants feel the Presence… your little addition of some mones may “contextualize” your consciousness to think/feel/emote/react like a fan at the game instead of the quiet guy driving along… so you need to work out a meta-voice or a babysitter part of your consciousness to remind you of the circumstances, so you appropriately align your thought processes with external circumstances… > … > look… way too many people have been indoctrinated into the “magic pill philosophy” or the “penis enlarging cream cult” where some external factor does all the work, effortlessly, and it sweeps you along to fame, fortune, women, and a great game of golf… if only life were so easy to figure out… good mones are like the best golf clubs or a really fine high performance car… you have to work harder, actually, at the outset, to make all the nuances and features of those things work for you instead of against you… > [@Bad mix?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/bad-mix/520/5): > > Dooood… this is why I keep on saying that there is a learning curve with these The more self knowledge, self awareness you have, and the more behavioral training, like through acting or NLP, or consciousness training, like various meditative practices, the better you can make use of the possibilites that [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) offer… I’m sure crowd behavior can be so distinct from individual, personal behavior because of the high levels of naturally occuring pheromones present… the police know this all too… ---
**Author:** ![RaiderMagic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bc79bd/32.png) [@RaiderMagic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RaiderMagic)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 3:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/doubts-about-whether-these-work-reviews-could-be-planted-wheres-the-proof/37296/14 "2010-03-26T03:57:38Z")
> [@Vundi](#): > > i really am doubting the effectivness of these. It just seems that there is no proof, sure theres all the reviews but those could be planted. I wanna try some but until i get the giftcard thats prolly not gunna happen So how long would it take to fake this many posts? “Posts: 307,927” ---
**Author:** ![Elaye](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5e9695/32.png) [@Elaye](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Elaye)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 6:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/doubts-about-whether-these-work-reviews-could-be-planted-wheres-the-proof/37296/15 "2010-03-26T06:29:45Z")
Pretty dumb conclusion and I know you haven’t read the hundreds of journal threads and thousands of report posts detailing complex, unique scenarios and social settings in which these products play a role. Spend twenty dollars and find out for yourself, it really isn’t that big of a deal. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2010, 11:37am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/doubts-about-whether-these-work-reviews-could-be-planted-wheres-the-proof/37296/16 "2010-03-26T11:37:17Z")
Its quite all right to have doubts and be skeptical. Anyone who tells you they were not when they first started using [pheromones](https://a314.com/) is full of shit. This is why Androtics gives out the $25 GC and sells small to-go bottles. So you can test them out and see what you think for yourself. You dont have to jump right in and spend tons of money on a big bottle. Pheromones are not one size fits all and you do need to learn to use them. Best place to start learning what they can do is by reading what they cant do. > [@What pheromones can and can't do: realistic expectations for newcomers](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-pheromones-can-do-and-what-they-cant-updated/9558): > > A lot of people come in to the forum and read all the wonderful stories about peoples experiences with [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/). New people end up trying them out with high expectations and usually as they get to know the product those expectations are met to some extent and sometimes not because there expectations were to high But I think its best for people to have a realistic view on what exactly they can and can not do. I get a lot of PM’s from people asking me why "they couldn’t get there cheati… Tisha