# Effects After Fresh Application vs. After Settling-In **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 2, 2007, 5:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-after-fresh-application-vs-after-settling-in/6361 "2007-11-02T05:17:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![spot007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@spot007](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/spot007)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 5:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-after-fresh-application-vs-after-settling-in/6361/1 "2007-11-02T05:17:15Z")
This question comes from my relative inexperience with pheros, and I’m wondering if anyone can offer some insight… Are the effects of pheros on others stronger just after a fresh application than they are after the pheros have “settled in”? - I guess what I am trying to ask is if the “hits” (good or bad) are more blatant or obvious just after a fresh application than they are after they’ve settled in and the scent has gone away. For me, I am aware that I am wearing them just after I put them on, because I reek for a good 15-30 mins after. Once the scent dies down, I don’t notice them anymore (other than whatever self effects I may be feeling). I suppose that’s where noobs fall into the trap of applying more too soon. They can’t read hits, so they can’t tell if the pheros are working, so they think they need more. I don’t do that, unless at least 6 hours have past, and I feel l need a boost. Personally, I don’t like the way I smell after I apply them, so I try to put them on up to half-an-hour before I’m going to be around others and/or targets. Nobody has ever commented on the way I smell with the pheros, other than my sister, who I share a place with right now. She hates the scent of [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) in particular. She can smell it around the house just after I put it on, and she’ll make comments like I shouldn’t wear that around girls that I’m trying to impress. Then later, when I am in female company, whether at work, around friends, a target, or a date, I don’t perceive any negative effects. I find the same thing with A314: I don’t like the smell, myself. It’s a strong smell after fresh application, but when it settles in, I don’t sense it on me anymore. My sister’s comments make me wary of applying the pheros immediately before coming into contact with a target or other people. On the other hand, when the stuff has settled in and I can’t sense it, it makes me wonder if no one else can sense it either (and hence wondering if I didn’t put on enough, or if I OD’d and put on too much). It feels like a bit of a dilema. Any thoughts/comments would be appreciated! ---
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 6:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-after-fresh-application-vs-after-settling-in/6361/2 "2007-11-02T06:43:16Z")
At application they do smell strong to me too. Your sister is just being honest, from what I have read, instant female magic does stink. It might even be that your pheromone signature changes are bothering her, she is your sister and is well used to how you should smell normally. Living with her could give you feedback of the smell at different application levels and times, and no one will be as honest as a family member about the odors. After the products dry down most of the women apply a perfume and don’t worry about it anymore. With essence of woman, which is about as stinky as they get, the smell is sometimes still detectable to the wearer but not to everyone else. It makes for a lot of nervous and self conscious newbie eow wearers. I think what you’re describing is just self consciousness due to being a new user. Pheromones are still effective after they have dried down and the neroli has had a chance to mellow. I think they are almost more effective because the pheromones have a chance to blend with my own body scent and pheromone signature becoming more natural. We don’t normally walk around smelling so strongly of pheromones and they shouldn’t be detectable scent wise by other people. We would all end up being labeled as the b-o person. I think you’re applying properly and once you’re comfortable this won’t be an issue. Have you told your sister that the smell is a [pheromone product](https://a314.com/shop/)? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 9:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-after-fresh-application-vs-after-settling-in/6361/3 "2007-11-02T09:55:50Z")
Hi Spot. Yes hits are a bit stronger in the hour or so that you have just applied your pheromones but you should be getting some hits for up to at least 4 to 6 hours after application. I will give you sort of a example from one of my usual days. I will apply my pheromones in the morning after I take a shower which is about a 1 1/2 hours before I will see anyone except my son. The first month or so when I applied he would say “Jesus that stinks LOL” Now he is used to my new sig’s so when I ask him do I stink he will say nope you smell good. He is 14 and blunt like his mom so I trust him on this one. On my way to work I will stop for coffee or water at the Gas station near my house. Depending on which mix I am wearing it will be free and he will try to keep me there talking to him with dumb ass postal questions. (I wear a uniform) If I have on MX216, MX135, or IS/A/eow its like clock work with this guy and I get freebies but when I wear say Instant shine or Instant Openness with some TAH he will still talk alot to me but nothing free. This is when I wear them on there own. By the time I get to work the scent is well settled in. I will get mild to moderate hits, most of the morning. If my Post Master is being a pain in the ass I will break out shine and give it 1 spray (I have 2x) only if I didnt apply it in the morning and with in a few minutes he will be over near me all smiles and chatting away like a normal person LOL. People around me actually notice it and they will say before I ever think to do it “for gods sake spray the stuff will ya” 😃 because he can be really moody and they see the change in him. He will react well but not as strongly if I apply it in the morning before work. I go on the road about 4 hours after application and I see some people but not overly many. Sometimes I will notice hits sometimes I wont. I will spend about 41/2 hours on the road and by then my pheromones are wearing off pretty good. I will stop in the bathroom when I get back and do a light touch up on some days. Its real fresh when I come out of the bathroom and I have never had a bad comment on it even if what I applied is less then good smelling. I have gotten some really strong hits in this hour before I leave to go home especially from the latin truck drivers who come to pick up the outgoing mail. I will then do whatever errands I need to do on the way home or hang with friends and usually the hits are a bit stronger. My husband will react moderately when I get home depending on what I put on. If we are up for anything else that night 😃 I will apply some cops or a more sexual mix and within 15 minutes or so My husbands hits will change from moderate to strong. Now this if just a day with my normal going to work combo which is normally IS/A with a few drops of EOW added to the to-go bottle. TAH, Instant shine or Instant Openness. If I am testing something new that day it can be different. [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) does smell a little funky but I think its more the scent added then the pheromones with that one. When I do reapply in the bathroom later in the day i will use some cover scent but not as much as I do in the morning. ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 11:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-after-fresh-application-vs-after-settling-in/6361/4 "2007-11-02T11:20:02Z")
in my experience mixes when fresh have a different effect than after they settle, and with about half of the mixes i have, they are better when settled and on for about 4 + hours. for these mixes, i would NOT reapply more. i find when i _want_ to reapply [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/), its because i personally dont feel the mix anymore, _but other people are getting bowled-over by the original application_ still. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![spot007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@spot007](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/spot007)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2007, 11:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-after-fresh-application-vs-after-settling-in/6361/5 "2007-11-02T23:49:08Z")
So “good” hits can happen at _any_ point within, let’s say, 4-6 hours?.. I suppose I’m searching for the optimal application time for when I will be around a target. At any other time (i.e.: when I have no target-specific plans, such as work, or a night out), it doesn’t matter when I put them on. However, when going out on a date or going to be in the company of a target, then that seems to be when you need to be a little more careful about what, when, and how much you apply… ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2007, 1:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-after-fresh-application-vs-after-settling-in/6361/6 "2007-11-03T01:21:21Z")
> [@spot007](#): > > So “good” hits can happen at _any_ point within, let’s say, 4-6 hours?.. > > I suppose I’m searching for the optimal application time for when I will be around a target. At any other time (i.e.: when I have no target-specific plans, such as work, or a night out), it doesn’t matter when I put them on. However, when going out on a date or going to be in the company of a target, then that seems to be when you need to be a little more careful about what, when, and how much you apply… im probably going to be the only one to tell you that after 200+ days of applications (not necessarily in a row,lol) you may still not have this down to a science. how can you,really? do you eat the same stuff everyday? do you get the same amount of activity, same amount of hormone coursing through your body? did you know just having different thoughts could effect your bodies chemistry ? many here want to get this down to a science. they want a reliable dosage. my opinion is that the closest you will get to a reliable dose is what Androtics recommends on the label and on the forum. - and what others tell you works for them will not hold a candle to your own experimentation.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2007, 1:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-after-fresh-application-vs-after-settling-in/6361/7 "2007-11-03T01:42:04Z")
> [@](#): > > mixes when fresh have a different effect than after they settle, and with about half of the mixes i have, they are better when settled and on for about 4 + hours. See now this is opposite for me. I am still agreeing with Lor though. Why because we are different. We live in different climates. We move about in different enviroments. The first hour after application for me is the best. For Lor its 4+ hours. Its not a exact science and as Lor said we can get a guide line from each other in the forum or put our heads together and try to come up with a solution but just like natural pheromones are unique to you so are our applications of [synthetic pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/). > [@](#): > > im probably going to be the only one to tell you that after 200+ days of applications (not necessarily in a row,lol) you may still not have this down to a science. No you are not alone Lor. Cycles change, hormones change, health changes and I believe your pheromones change to. So just when you think you found the perfect mix for you, life will throw you a curve ball and suddenly a mix that never worked before suddenly will and your old favorite wont do a damn thing. There are so many variables and I think the only way to learn them is to experience them. This is why I think of this as more of a hobby or a journey more then a means to a end. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![spot007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@spot007](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/spot007)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2007, 6:10am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-after-fresh-application-vs-after-settling-in/6361/8 "2007-11-04T06:10:23Z")
I always love what you ladies have to say. You provide insight not only from an experienced perspective, but also from the other side of the attraction dance. I’m rep’ing you both! ---
**Author:** ![kinggs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c0e974/32.png) [@kinggs](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/kinggs)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2007, 2:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-after-fresh-application-vs-after-settling-in/6361/9 "2007-11-04T14:45:54Z")
about the climates… Pheromones tend to be most effective when it’s hot, correct? So if its cold it takes longer? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2007, 3:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-after-fresh-application-vs-after-settling-in/6361/10 "2007-11-04T15:30:10Z")
Well sort of yes. They still work in cold climates though. Scents and mones tend to leave your body (diffuse) easier in hot humid weather or if your body heats up. Hot dry weather, Your body heats up and the mones will diffuse but they seem to not last aslong unless they came in oil form. When its really cold and dry they tend to not diffuse as well or travel as far. The effects dont last as long to. Days that are cold with a high dew point seem better then dry cold days. Really windy conditions will diffuse mones to fast in my opinion and you have less control over them. Best to apply under cloths on those days and let it waft up. Like I said its not a exact science really but once you get the hang of it you will know which days you need to re-apply and when and just how you should tweak your dose. ---
**Author:** ![spot007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@spot007](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/spot007)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2007, 6:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-after-fresh-application-vs-after-settling-in/6361/11 "2007-11-05T06:22:49Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Instant Female Magic does smell a little funky but I think its more the scent added then the pheromones with that one. When I do reapply in the bathroom later in the day i will use some cover scent but not as much as I do in the morning. Tish, are you saying that you use [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) on yourself? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2007, 10:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-after-fresh-application-vs-after-settling-in/6361/12 "2007-11-05T10:56:50Z")
Sure once in a while if I am feeling sort, not myself. LOL I dont use it often though. My friend made me up a little to-go bottle from her big bottle. Her daughter loves it because she gets bad PMS and says this is the only thing that helps her moods during that time. We also like to spray it when around the women supervisor at work. She is going through menapause and she can really get evil sometimes. Tisha