# Effects on other people **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [May 22, 2013, 9:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-on-other-people/59069 "2013-05-22T21:09:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Newbie777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e36b37/32.png) [@Newbie777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Newbie777)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2013, 9:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-on-other-people/59069/1 "2013-05-22T21:09:59Z")
This journal is designed to look at the potential effects the application of pheromones have on other people, esp. when it’s the intended use of it, and if I got a result I expected, or a different result. CASE #1: Have a pleutonic relationship with a woman who is older than I am. Sometimes her personality can be overbearing. I am more of a slow, laid back type of guy, while she’s nervy, can be impatient and sort of “telling me what to do”. For a person like this, I think A314, IS, Molecule-K, and Instant Honesty can help smooth over some of the rough edges if she is too intense for me to handle. SITUATION: Helping with her yard work on Monday then taking her out on a date afterwards to look at some fireworks. DESIRED EFFECT: That she’ll sort of keep her distance with me and not exhibit some of these imposing behaviours. I - 2 drops of A314, 1 IS is used. ACTUAL EFFECT: Not sure if it’s the pheromones or if she knew that she could lose me if her behaviour continued, or a combination of both. She called me “sir”, referred me for business with her neighbours, and said that I should be a great husband for a future wife and not just a good agent. I’ve noted I believed the A314 possibly had a subtle effect in her vocabulary: - use of the word “sir” said out of her mouth multiple times. - she said “I’m the boss” at least once. Other A314 effects:? - there were not instance of “impatient or imposing” behaviour from her. SELF-EFFECTS of A314: - took a stand and said “no” when she offered sweets. - took more personal initiative and was less passive. RESULTS OF EXPERIMENT: IN this case a success. SECOND APPLICATION: Having a date with her to look at fireworks: DESIRED EFFECT: Having the same deference as before but less formal. Didn’t want her to complain about how I am driving or show any sort of impatience or nerves with me, BUT also have a cool time together. 1 spray of Molecule-K (TAK) was used. ACTUAL EFFECT: There was more physical touch with her. She was patting me on my neck while driving and asked me if I was “stressed”. Normally when driving together she would not touch me. This was out of character. However, she still complained about how I was driving, got a bit stressed with me when she got home and complained I put words in her mouth concerning some of the things she said. SELF-EFFECT: Said no when she offered sweets. RESULT OF EXPERIMENT: Partial success. Liked the physical touch on my neck from her although that was not necessarily the intent. I did still manage to get under her skin on how I drove the car and her accusing me of putting words in her mouth. * * * I saw her yesterday as well but no pheromones were used as a blank contrast. 1. I drove her to a supermarket and to a friend’s house: a) she did not touch my neck with her hands like the night before. b) she was nicer with me and didn’t feel as imposing. Therefore, as a contrast, it may just have been a few ruffles and it’s possible when I did the yardwork on Monday she may not have been as imposing with me anyway so it may not have been the A314. However, I still think the A314 effect may have just been evident in her choice of words (i.e. “sir”, “you are the boss”, etc…), which I found to be a bit out of character from the norm of how I know her to be, and TAK, where there is more kino by her while driving, may be the only real results of this use. * * * Other potential tests with my friend: For crazy experiments: Sometimes we look at a movie in her bedroom. But we are strictly pleutonic. What would [Turn Up the Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) do? Would that challenge her boundaries if I’m in that scenario? Could that cause a french kiss with her or more? (this is assuming I want that) For a milder experiment: Also Instant Honesty - would that result in deepening a pleutonic friendship to a point that I’ll feel like I can say anything to her that’s deep, and she may also say something deep as well. Still satisfied with the A314, IS, and TAK experiments made so far. ---
**Author:** ![Newbie777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e36b37/32.png) [@Newbie777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Newbie777)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 5:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-on-other-people/59069/2 "2013-05-23T05:46:08Z")
The next experiment is with an “ex-girlfriend” who has mental problems (schizophrania) who believes that she is still my girlfriend even though I dumped her back in July 2, 2009, but have just visited her on occasion for mutual masturbation sessions. Normally, since I’m not used to touching a woman, I just like hugging her, sucking her breasts, kissing her behind, and fondling her while she gives me a hand-job or even kisses/licks my cock. As of the last visit I felt that what I was doing was wrong and we should get married and felt “morally conflicted” dealing with a girl that I was not actually married to, especially with such a “sexual exposure”. * * * Next time I see her I may try TUTH. (assuming she does not put up a resistance since I told her not to see me again unless I married her. Obviously I’m not taking advantage of her anymore if I told her we must get married). The intention behind TUTH: 1. See how “real” the moral conflict is. Is it because I was not horny enough at the time? It looks like this “conflict” occurs after orgasm. What self-effect would this product have. Would it have me saying “lets wait until we get married” still (even if I don’t intend to marry her), or would it have me more open sexually? 2. Assuming I’m more open sexually, what effect would it have on her? Would she start sucking my cock, balls, or if I bring a condom even let me fvck her a bit, etc? How far would a mutual masturbation (i.e. where we are both practically naked and feeling each other up) go with TUTH being sprayed on? I may visit her today (or may not). If I do, then I’m going to bring a bottle of this spray and try it out. * * * Apart from this there are no other people I know, from any length of time, to try out any further [pheromone](https://a314.com/) experiments. ---
**Author:** ![ryanmercer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ryanmercer/32/1569_2.png) [@ryanmercer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ryanmercer)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 6:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-on-other-people/59069/3 "2013-05-23T06:06:01Z")
> [@](#): > > The next experiment is with an “ex-girlfriend” who has mental problems (schizophrania) who believes that she is still my girlfriend even though I dumped her back in July 2, 2009, but have just visited her on occasion for mutual masturbation sessions. _blinks_ ---
**Author:** ![Newbie777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e36b37/32.png) [@Newbie777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Newbie777)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 6:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-on-other-people/59069/4 "2013-05-23T06:29:08Z")
> [@ryanmercer](#): > > _blinks_ This is not enotalone, or a relationship board. I’m merely journaling [pheromone products](https://a314.com/shop/), as everyone else on here is doing. Ever since I dumped my most recent ex because she wasn’t honest about her past (i.e a girl I saw last year and dumped in November 19, 2012), I’ve decided to use pheromones on everyone I know (i.e. friends, ex-girlfriend, etc…). I felt lonely and a hole after I dumped her and think about her every day, but can’t do anything about it as I’m in strict NC. Instant Honesty was purchased for this purpose. To prevent something like that from happening again. She lied about her past. The Bible says if you marry a divorced woman you commit adultery. Also, if I had sex with her last summer, chances are we would still be together as I’d be less conflicted about her ex-husband since the Bible also says you can’t return a wife back to her former husband once you have sex with her. Since I didn’t have sex with her and we had to marry before having sex, I dumped her with the intent of returning her to her former husband and I have had no-one since. Therefore, even sexual pheromones, such as TUTH, could be used to save relationships. Anyway…everyone on here uses pheromones on people so I don’t see why I should feel bad using these products. ---
**Author:** ![ryanmercer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ryanmercer/32/1569_2.png) [@ryanmercer](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ryanmercer)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 6:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-on-other-people/59069/5 "2013-05-23T06:30:36Z")
> [@Newbie777](#): > > Anyway…everyone on here uses pheromones on people so I don’t see why I should feel bad using these products. Using [pheromones](https://a314.com/) is one thing. Sexually abusing a mentally deficient individual is not? ---
**Author:** ![Newbie777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e36b37/32.png) [@Newbie777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Newbie777)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 6:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-on-other-people/59069/6 "2013-05-23T06:36:54Z")
> [@ryanmercer](#): > > Using pheromones is one thing. Sexually abusing a mentally deficient individual is not? Well, lets look at the principle of this. I never penetrated her and I’m a virgin myself, so I don’t get how I can be “sexually abusing” if she’s giving me hand-jobs and I’m fondling her up. Mutual masturbation is non-penetrative stuff and she takes off her own clothes. What are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![Newbie777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e36b37/32.png) [@Newbie777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Newbie777)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2013, 2:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-on-other-people/59069/7 "2013-05-23T14:29:18Z")
Could not try it on the crazy girl. I returned her call today and she said we should marry each other. Unless we are married together then I can not try TUTH on her. It turns out the last time I saw her, I instructed her, not to see me again unless we got married. She actually listened to me and is now refusing to see me unless I marry her. We agreed to this in our “relationship” (even if she’s technically an “ex”, I’m not seeing anyone else anyway and she doesn’t recognize any break-up. Unless I date someone else she will always be with me since I can’t just be alone and single with her knowing this. I’m usually alone and single I choose not to be in relationship but to be alone. I didn’t dump her for someone else, just to be alone). The damage was done from the last time I saw her. Now I’ll actually have to marry her and move in with her but I’m not ready for that. No…I’ll take a break from testing this product for now. At least one marriage prospect. It’s not illegal to marry a crazy woman. But she still wants to go out with me, so I can still spray on some TUTH while we are dating and see what effect it has on her. ---
**Author:** ![CelticPrince](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/celticprince/32/397_2.png) [@CelticPrince](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CelticPrince)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2013, 5:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-on-other-people/59069/8 "2013-05-24T05:34:05Z")
Im not touching this one with a 10 foot pole… ---
**Author:** ![Newbie777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e36b37/32.png) [@Newbie777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Newbie777)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2013, 11:53am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-on-other-people/59069/9 "2013-05-25T11:53:25Z")
Tried molecule-K again on the older woman that I’m dealing with. One spray of TAK to the right wrist. Self-effects: Positive: Felt mood went up a bit while I was driving and I was more in the moment. Effect on woman: - She patted me on the back with her hands while driving at least once (which she did the last time I put it on. Normally there is no contact while driving. - She didn’t seem to stay upset for very long because I came late, or other issues, or didn’t her as being as overbearing. - Held my hand while walking together, but it seemed more embracing than usual. In other words, you really have to read into the kino-touching that is going on to fish out any potential effects this thing may have. I’m really not sure what this TAK is supposed to really do with other people. Make them more comfortable to touch you? As a rule, while I applied this for kicks this morning, I generally do not like playing with pheromones on other people at this time and think the friendship I have with her is good enough as it is without applying any pheromones. We know our own boundaries and apart from the occasional A314/IS mix if I’m finding she’s too overbearing, I think I’m finished with testing as far as this person is concerned. ---
**Author:** ![Newbie777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e36b37/32.png) [@Newbie777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Newbie777)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2013, 8:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-on-other-people/59069/10 "2013-05-25T20:16:35Z")
Just dumped that older woman not too long ago. Had Instant Shine on. Cause of dumping is she mentioned that she had another orbiter, but in a way that I felt was unnecessary and disrespectful, and overall, the other issues mentioned within the friendship (i.e. domineering type of personality, etc…) For the moment all pheromone tests on other people are going to be suspended unless there is another person in my life where it is evident it is about to fall apart at the seams and see what utility it is there. The [best pheromone](https://a314.com/shop/) result seem to come from A314 and IS combo when tried before. For some people, it’s just best to use A314 all the time and use two or more drops at that. ---
**Author:** ![Newbie777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e36b37/32.png) [@Newbie777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Newbie777)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2013, 7:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-on-other-people/59069/11 "2013-06-15T19:20:39Z")
2 drops of A314 and 1 spray of IS used for business purposes. This was used on a buyer I owed money to. I only agreed to $ 1030 but he was going to be asking for $ 1212. When I interacted with them with this combo on they appeared subdued, and at the end of the meeting I just paid the $ 1030 and there wasn’t any argument coming from it. * * * Went to a organic food-store afterwards but did not notice any hits in this place from the A314/IS combo. This was sprayed on, or put on around 6:00 pm, and I went to the organic place probably closer to 7-8:00 pm when the primary effects of the pheromones may have wore off. However, in the past when I phero-bombed myself I would put 3 IS sprays, and think the 1 IS may have been too weak if I were to play on that combo for hits. But, then again there is the “looks” factor. One girl did come up and talk to me while I was eating out of the blue, but I don’t think it’s pheromones that made her come towards me to talk. It may have helped calm my nerves a bit, however, when I was talking with her. ---
**Author:** ![Newbie777](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e36b37/32.png) [@Newbie777](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Newbie777)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2014, 4:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/effects-on-other-people/59069/12 "2014-01-22T04:43:02Z")
Instant shine - 1 spray to neck. Seems to make it easier for me to relax around younger girls, or get some attention out there and socially interact (i.e. wave at and get waved back) with young women. This effect was seen when shopping about 3-4 hours after application. Spray was used for self-effects because of a personal issue. However, I’m noting that there appears to resonate with younger high-school or younger age girls. I’m still rather inhibited or do not feel a genuine social desire for any deeper connection with the girls I did interact with. Felt distant from older women in contrast. So, this IS, makes me feel younger/connect with younger girls…I think.