# Endgame's games **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [November 22, 2015, 5:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/endgames-games/65237 "2015-11-22T17:02:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Endgame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Endgame](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Endgame)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2015, 5:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/endgames-games/65237/1 "2015-11-22T17:02:56Z")
Hi everyone! I received the ultimate beginners pack last Thursday and decided to play it by ear based on everything I have read on the forums so far. All advice will be greatly appreciated šŸ™‚ I will approach writing this journal from the perspective of a skeptic and try to isolate any grains of truth and share my failures/successes by giving you ladies and gents as much context as possible. If it gets a bit too OCD at times, I apologise for this (I am working on it). I will try to structure each entry the following way (provided that I am not super busy): 1. Background Previous night sleep duration and quality; caffeine intake; relative feeling of stress; alcohol intake (if any); workout (yes/no) and feeling of strength during workout. 2. [Pheromones](https://a314.com/) used and application points 3. Set up Particular situations where mones were worn and perceived hits (if any). A bit more about me. I am in my late 20s and my personality type is INTJ (tested last week). I used to be ISTJ, but I believe I have changed or I was not completely honest with myself a few years ago when I took the test. I am only 3% Introvert, so I might as well be an ENTJ, but I know for myself that I am more introverted in general. Good at acting as an extrovert and at times I can come across as too cocky and even arrogant. Will be trying to tweak this side of me with mones in the future. I am working a job with quite a lot of responsibilities and a densely populated alpha environment. I will be using mones for several things: i) having fun! this will be a journey of self-improvement above all else! ii) getting back with an ex iii) occasional flings with random girls while working on ii) or finding someone better šŸ˜ƒ iv) more respect and better work relationships Thatā€™s all for now. First entry coming in a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2015, 5:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/endgames-games/65237/2 "2015-11-22T17:56:22Z")
I am thrilled to see you have started a journal, Endgame. Iā€™ll be looking forward to your reports! ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2015, 9:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/endgames-games/65237/3 "2015-11-22T21:45:00Z")
I agree with Conjurator am excitied to see your reports. ---
**Author:** ![Endgame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Endgame](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Endgame)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2015, 10:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/endgames-games/65237/4 "2015-11-22T22:58:12Z")
Thursday 19/11/2015: 1. Background a) sleep duration - 7:15h b) sleep quality - 42% Measured through an app - Sleep Cycle. I have found that it is quite useful and lives up to the hype. The assessments it makes are 90% of the time on par with the way I feel. If there is a significant difference between the appsā€™ measurements and my own perception I will note it. In general, I can rarely tell a difference between the way I feel at 75% sleep quality and 89%. Noticeable difference in the 90-100% range. c) Caffeine intake - two black teas; one in the am, one in the pm d) Stress - high. Had a hard deadline at the end of the day. e) Alcohol intake - none f) no workout 1. Pheromones used - IO and IS (strength 2x). 1 spray of IO to the wrists and 1 spray of IS to the back of the head. 1. Set up No noticeable differences in the behaviour of those around me. No one seemed chattier than usual or behaved in a way I have not seen before. Overall, a normal day. ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2015, 11:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/endgames-games/65237/5 "2015-11-22T23:04:31Z")
And you, how did you feel? ---
**Author:** ![Endgame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Endgame](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Endgame)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2015, 11:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/endgames-games/65237/6 "2015-11-22T23:27:52Z")
Friday 20/11/2015: 1. Background a) sleep duration - 7:17h b) sleep quality - 76% c) Caffeine intake - one black tea in the am d) Stress - low. It was Friday and I had two parties to look forward to. e) Alcohol intake - nothing till 6 pm, lots in the evening. f) no workout 2. Pheromones used - IO, IS (strength 2x), IH (2x strength), Ammo (1x strength). 8:00 am 1 spray of IO to the wrists and 2 sprays of IS to the back of the head. 9:30 pm 1 spray of IO to the wrists, 1 spray of IH behind each ear. 11:30 pm 1 spray of IO to the wrists, 1 spray of IS to the back of the head and 1 spray of Ammo to the neck (just over adamā€™s apple) 1. Set up No noticeable differences in the behaviour of colleagues at work. I am starting to think that I either need stronger products or different application points. Also, being new to mones, I am still trying to calibrate my own expectations of every product. I did not see anything from the IO and IH that I applied at 9:30 pm at the party after work. I attribute this to the fact that IO probably doesnā€™t work on its own without some effort on my part and, additionally, the people I was with were close friends so there was no need to break the iceā€¦ Nothing from IH. I read that this is probably best used in 1 on 1 interactions vs groups. I tested it in a few interactions with small groups of friends but nothing noticeable. I really need to get a good working knowledge of IH this week before field testing it with my ex. I did get some strong hits from one of the girls present though. She was very chatty and at one point I had to excuse myself and join some other friends so that I can get a break. Now, this girl has been into me for a long time so I am not really sure if it was me, the mones, the alcohol, the music or a combination of all of the above. Given our history and the amount of alcohol, I am going to say that it was probably not the mones. 11:30 pm - Ammo & IS (2x) are on. Everybody (incl. me) is pretty drunk by now. The girl from earlier in the evening is asking some of my guy friends to come ask me to take her to the dance floor. I play hard to get and tell her she needs to buy me a drink first. Works like a charm. Two shots of tequila later we are dancing and teasing each other. I am pulling my hair back and letting her face get closer my neck (i am much taller than her). 10 min later we are making out. We do more shots and we continue making out till we leave. No sex this time as she had to work early in the morning. As I said, I am quite skeptical and I would put my money on the copious amounts of alcohol that everybody had, but I do believe mones also did play a little part in that interaction. I will elaborate on my skepticism of the products in the next entry when I discuss what happened on the party on Saturday. ---
**Author:** ![Endgame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Endgame](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Endgame)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2015, 11:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/endgames-games/65237/7 "2015-11-22T23:28:29Z")
> [@Conjurator](#): > > And you, how did you feel? I did not feel any different to be honest. ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 1:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/endgames-games/65237/8 "2015-11-23T01:29:01Z")
Honesty is the key šŸ™‚. If you look at my journal, youā€™ll find quite a few log entries that will say "I was so busy / so strung out / so (whatever) that I did not notice anything using mones that day. In stressful situations, you have your mind set on a thousand things and the image you are offering to people is not the same as when you are in a calm setting. You definitely are less attractive, charming, fun to be around. Donā€™t despair though, youā€™ll eventually see hits even in the workplace. Thatā€™s where I got some of my most crazy hits. Itā€™s good to see you got good results with [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and IS in a more laidback environment. Now, is it the mones, is it the booze? Try again with booze only. Then try again with booze and Ammo and/or IS. And eventually, you should be able to see its potency. However, I would suggest using each product solo and find your sweet spot for each. Thatā€™s an important step. This way, youā€™ll know which product work for you and which ones do not go well with your biochemistry. Also test different points of applications for each solo product. ---
**Author:** ![Endgame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Endgame](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Endgame)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2015, 11:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/endgames-games/65237/9 "2015-11-23T23:51:31Z")
Conjurator I agree with you. Stress does get in the way and can influence the way I interact with others. Sadly, I have little control over last minute events at work and I just have to cope with that. As for the potency of the different products and my sweet spots with each, I am sure it will take some more testing. I have read in several threads that oneā€™s own pherosignature and total and free T levels can have a significant influence on the different products. Since I have been doing a T boost programme for the past few months, I might be into a new territory here. I have noticed a lot better concentration, libido, aggressiveness and strength gains (as compared to before I started T optimisation). High T is almost always a good thing and there is plenty of anecdotal evidence that it might be the cause for higher attraction rate. I should probably do a separate thread on this once I have concluded my experiments. Now, back to entries. Saturday 21/11/2015: 1. Background a) Sleep duration - 6:21h b) Sleep quality - 80% c) Caffeine intake - none d) Stress - low e) Alcohol intake - none f) no workout Not a lot to comment on here. Surprisingly good sleep quality despite the sleep duration. I did indeed feel well rested when I woke up in the morning (that was right after the first party for the weekend). I do not attribute this to the mones. 1. Pheromones used - IO, IS (2x), IH (2x), Ammo (1x) 10:00 am - 1 spray of IO to wrists and a spray of IH behind each ear. 9:00 pm - 2 sprays of IS to the hair, 2 sprays of IO to wrists 11:30 pm - 2 sprays of IS to the hair, 1 spray of Ammo to the throat 1. Set up I spent the morning with two very close friends of mine. They did not become chattier or spill out any secrets despite us sitting close to each other (we were on a train). Au contraire, one of them started listening to music after 15 min of talking, and the other one picked up a book! I decided not to push further as I thought that I need to up the dose. This cannot be an OD, right? I did not feel any different myself. In the evening, I attended my friends bday party. Mixed crowd, just a few 7s. Quickly positioned myself in an area where I could see everyone in the room and everyone can see me. Locked eyes with one of the 7s a few times, but not a single smile. I caught a few girls getting closer to me, but none initiated contact. Didnā€™t find them attractive enough to waste my mones on them. Interestingly, the hostess has always had a big crush on me (not the same girl as the night before btw). She spent a good 30 min just in my company and laughing at everything I said. Again, not an extraordinary behaviour for a girl who is actively showing you that she is interested in you. One very strong IOI that I would attribute to the mones though was her asking me if I have a girlfriend. She was sober and I just realised she had a DIHL on me. I have seen her staring at me like that before I had any mones, so not sure what to make out of this. Could definitely be related, but such a reaction based only on IS and IO? I guess I am just hot. Not a lot of action after I applied Ammo and IS later in the night. The girls that I sat next to usually spent around 10 min next to me before moving away. I intentionally did not want to strike up convos with them, as I was just trying to spot some passive IOIs based on the products. Nothing out of the ordinary and considering that I was passive in all my interactions, I am not surprised. A few girls positioned themselves close to me every now and then, some looked at me, but no smiles or long stares. My passive behaviour was intentional, as I wanted to see what can I expect at the low threshold of each product and see if I can get some hits off mones only. When I was saying goodbye to my crush, she did stay in my company for the whole 10 min while I was making some small talk. Pretty strong IOI there. In general, lesson learned. Be more proactive while wearing mones at parties. Do not expect miracles. In terms of what I experienced internally - I did have some more confidence, but I did not feel compelled to become the life of the party or centre of attention, as I expected from IS. I am starting to think I might need more sprays. A huge chunk of my confidence came after I saw that I was one of the best looking guys there. Most males present were mostly students with childish faces, who were wearing baggy clothes or were dressed too fancy for a house party (cmon mate, a tux!?..) So I cannot say with 100% certainty that it was the mones that made me feel so confident, but they might have played their part. Will continue testing at the next party. ---
**Author:** ![Endgame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Endgame](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Endgame)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 8:46pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/endgames-games/65237/10 "2015-11-24T20:46:33Z")
Monday 23/11/2015: 1. Background a) Sleep duration - 7:20h b) Sleep quality - 77% c) Caffeine intake - one filtered coffee in the am d) Stress - low-moderate e) Alcohol intake - none f) Workout - yes, after work g) Strength during workout - very good and tbh better than expected (elaborate later in 3.) 2. Pheromones used - IG 9:00 am - 1.5 sprays to adamā€™s apple (the half spray or so when you first use a new product) 5:00 pm - 2 sprays, one to the inside of each wrist 1. Set up Busy day at work. Did not have a lot of opportunity to test the products. My boss was maybe a tad bit more relaxed. She also spoke a little slower than usual. Nothing other than this. The second application was at 5:00 pm right before I went to the gym. Much to my surprise I felt my strength had actually increased. I was able to put a plate or two extra to my regular working weight range. I also felt less fatigued and intimidated by the higher workload. Mid-workout, I felt like the king of the gym. I attribute this to the IG and the surging T. Have not changed the dosage of my pre-workout or creatine intake. Had a quick 20 min sauna session after the gym. Not sure if or how this might affect the mones. After the gym I stopped by the local shop. Behind the till was a sympathetic young girl in her 20s. Have seen her many times before and she used to be quite reserved and just business with me. This time she was smiling more and I had the feeling like she wanted to strike a longer conversation with me, despite the queue. Since I have barely seen anything all day, I do believe there must have been some additional mones released by my body after that heavy workoutā€¦ **Note: Repeat the experiment with IG right before going to the gym and try engaging a girl afterwards (preferably the same girl in the local shop).** ---
**Author:** ![Endgame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Endgame](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Endgame)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 9:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/endgames-games/65237/11 "2015-11-24T21:26:02Z")
Tuesday 24/11/2015: 1. Background: a) Sleep duration - 7:34h b) Sleep quality - 65% c) Caffeine intake - one black tea in the am d) Stress - high e) Alcohol intake - none f) Workout - no 2. Pheromones used - IG, IH (2x), MX297 9:00 am - 2 sprays of IG to adamā€™s apple 2:00 pm - 2 of IH (2x) to the inside of each wrist, 1 spray of MX297 to the back of the neck 1. Set up **9:00 am** Morning meeting with my boss, a team member and an external consultant (reporting to my boss). Very strong eye contact throughout the meeting. Especially from my boss and the external consultant. I felt listened to and clearly understood. The consultant even took some actions from me after I instructed him to make a follow up with a more senior person. Could it be my positional power? Yes, but I need to check this again. While explaining the work he has done so far on the projects we have assigned to him, the consultant was always trying to catch my gaze. He is quite beta, but I think a reason for his behaviour is attributable to the IG. When locking eye contact, the consultant kept it for ~3-5 seconds (typical for most Brits, so nothing extraordinary here). He always dropped eye contact first, even though I was not staring. More interestingly, I caught my boss looking at me as if expecting me to provide advice or make a decision when the consultant was rambling on and on. I am usually the last person to approach for advice on the matters we discussed, but I did notice those subtle looks from her. It felt as if she is willing to let me take over. Could I be imagining stuff in my desperation to see an effect from these products? **2:00 pm** I was sitting right next to my manager. She is usually well composed, but i saw her twitching a lotā€¦ Same for a few other team members. They were fidgeting with their jewelry, playing with pens, adjusting clothing and hairs etc. However, halfway through the meeting my boss went crazy. She was constantly shifting in her chair, swinging her foot back and forth (even slightly hit my foot twice under the table and apologised quietly for it), then started tapping nervously, until she slouched in her chair, resting her arms on her thighs and bent her head down. Did not know what to make out of this behaviour. Thought she wanted to pee really badly, but she just went straight to her desk. It had to be the MX297. Later on I had a 1:1 with her. I was at fault for making a mistake earlier in the day. However, I somehow managed to convince her that not only I am not at fault, but it was her fault. Technically, she had made a minor mistake, but not one that would excuse me for misinterpreting her words earlier in the day and resulting in a delay, followed by a scramble on my part to produce a very important piece for the board of directors at my firm. Also, she usually speaks quite fast, but during this meeting, despite the problem with our communication earlier, she was slow, agreeable and seemed somehow more relaxed. Could also be the fact we had already done the job and there was a sense of relief. I am sure there was definitely something there. **I am still to experience some serious effects of the mones on myself. Try to increase the sleep duration and quality (stop water intake 2h before bed, be consistent with 5-htp). Double the dosage of the products used. Have a feeling that applications to the neck seem to work quite well. Continue testing mones on that area for now.** ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2015, 10:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/endgames-games/65237/12 "2015-11-24T22:24:48Z")
I count quite a few hits in your last post, my friend. Keep up the good work. Serious effects will come eventually. ---
**Author:** ![Endgame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Endgame](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Endgame)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 11:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/endgames-games/65237/13 "2015-12-07T23:41:39Z")
The last 10 days were pretty stressful. Long hours at work and not as many opportunities to experiment with mones. However, on the few occasions I did, I had a few decent hits. Breakdown: Night 1: Clubbing - 3 x IS to the hair, 2 x IO to the wrists, 1 x mx297 to back of beck and 1 x ammo to adamā€™s apple. Was about time I went mental with them. Quite a few girls were starting a conversation with me. Most of them were friends so nothing surprising here. However, there was a solid 8 staring at me most of the time. I moved closer to her - she did not move away. She was holding eye contact for 5 sec at times, even when dancing with another guy. Good interactions with everybody around me. I give most of that to the booze but Iā€™m sure there was something more going on there. I was not in a particularly good mood so not sure if that could have influenced the mones in a particular way. Night 2: Clubbing (same club) - 3 x IS to the hair, 2 x IH to wrists, 2 x Ammo to adamā€™s apple. The hot girl from last night was present again. Same interaction. Cannot take her eyes of me! I stand beside her while she is dancing with another guy and she looks straight into my eyesā€¦ with lust! I did gather some intelligence, she was not drunk/drugged. I attribute this to Ammo. Night 3: Met with my ex and a few mutual friends. 3 x IS to the hair, 2 x IO to the wrists, Ammo to adamā€™s apple. All the girls were chatty, smiley and felt at ease in my company. My ex was sitting next to me and though defensive at first she opened up after a while. Body language: crossed legs, the one on top pointing and gently swinging in my direction, with one of her hands between her legs. This is quite a strong IOI and from my experience in the past and what I have read on the topic, it shows that she is attracted. Throughout the evening we did exchange a few longer than usual looks ~3 sec. Several smiles, she was laughing at every joke I say. Leaned in slightly a few times. She did not play with her hair at all (she usually does). Not sure if it was a conscious act on her part, knowing that this is an obvious IOI. Well, good thing few people ever realise what their legs are actually saying. I hope I am not reading too close into this. Upon leaving all girls in the group were a bit tired and less chatty than earlier. A few quick goodbye hugs. My ex gave me a kiss in the corner of my lips and a pretty long hug (~4-5 sec). Interesting.. Morning after: 1 x Ammo to the adamā€™s apple. Had to drop off something to my ex as we agreed the night before (I arranged it). After chatting for 5 min and exchanging a few smiles and laughs about some tv shows we are currently watching I had to leave. Again, a kiss in the corner of my lips and a 3-4 sec long hug. I guess.. thanks Ammo! Letā€™s hope I am not being just strung along if whatever she has does not work out. **It appears that in almost all of the IOIs I have had so far, Ammo was present. To continue experimenting with the socials.** ---
**Author:** ![Conjurator](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/conjurator/32/410_2.png) [@Conjurator](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Conjurator)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2015, 11:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/endgames-games/65237/14 "2015-12-07T23:57:24Z")
Nice hits man. Keep it up. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2015, 4:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/endgames-games/65237/15 "2015-12-08T16:41:33Z")
Sounds like things are going great here. For attraction when I first started out Ammo was my base for about everything. I still find today that it is a solid base. I love the IS to. I will wear IS in my hair like you are doing and a spray or 2 exactly like you are doing then a steering mone. Depending on situation is what I will use. The IS and Ammo base mix is very useable and just about anywhere. AT say family gatherings or volunteer functions I will try to overpower the Ammo a little with other molecules or say 2 sprays IH would be good or just tone it back to 1 spray and all is well. Very nice journal and reports. ---
**Author:** ![Endgame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Endgame](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Endgame)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2015, 2:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/endgames-games/65237/16 "2015-12-13T14:19:42Z")
Continued the Ammo and IS testing. 2 x IS to hair, 1 x Ammo to Adamā€™s apple. Went to a friendā€™s bday party in a club. I was accompanied by the girl I made out with a few weeks back. Once we joined the party it was all a bit stiff at first but people gradually loosened up. My friendā€™s girlfriend showed up and it was the first time we met. We immediately hit it off. She laughed at all of my jokes, did not pull out of casual kino, took care of not letting the conversation stall. We met a few times over the course of the evening for a smoke and she was constantly siding with me against her boyfriend (ofc all in good spirit, with him present and no hidden intentions). I did not push this further as there are boundaries. Back do my ā€˜dateā€™ for the evening. She was quite flirty and open. Went on to talk about one of her hot friends and how attracted she was to me. She even wanted to show me their messages. **Note: no** IH **was worn at the time.** We continued talking about it, until she radically switched to badmouthing about the friend in question. She had a few drinks and she was looking for attention from me again. Ah.. female competition. Sometimes it drives you crazy, sometimes it all works in your favour. She got pretty pissed that I refused to dance with her, which created even more attraction until she decided to start trying to tear me apart. I could see I was driving her crazy so I applied one more spray of Ammo to Adamā€™s apple, you know, to see how far I can push things. This application was ~3h after the initial one. We danced for a while but only to the songs I wanted to. In general, she was quite submissive and following my lead. I even smacked her ass when she started playing some mind games (texting sb else, spending time with another guy, etc). She started scolding me for doing that, but I could see it in her eyes that she actually enjoyed it and that was her way of not being perceived as easy. At one point we started talking about colognes. She sniffed my neck and bam! She was saying that it smelled terrible, quote: ā€œit smells like childrenā€™s soapā€. Whatever that means.. She spent a total of 20 seconds sniffing my adamā€™s apple. She pulled out and made a comment how she did not enjoy the scent and then dived back in. I could feel her breath on my skin. She would pull out to inhale some fresh air and go right back at it again and again. She kept saying how she did not like it and asked several times what it was called. I told her itā€™s something i picked up at the clearance section šŸ˜ƒ For the rest of the evening she was trying really hard to get my attention. She used freeze outs, shit tests, disappearing game, negsā€¦ It was like being gamed by a PUA haha šŸ™‚ Since Iā€™d rather sleep with her hotter friend, I decided not to push further and de-escalated. That did not make her any happier and when I teased her about texting someone after 2 am, she retorted that she was getting back together with her ex who she found more interesting than me. It didnā€™t phase me as I knew she was so desperate that she decided to play the jealousy card and I could see right through her act. This was incogruent with her behaviour the entire night. **She was smitten.** **Ammo and IS prove to be a good combo for attraction once you play the part. Ammo to Adamā€™s apple seems to be working quite well. Not so sure what to attribute to IS. Should do more tests with IS only and carefully observe friends and strangers act around me.** ---
**Author:** ![HankBuddy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/f04885/32.png) [@HankBuddy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/HankBuddy)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2015, 3:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/endgames-games/65237/17 "2015-12-13T15:43:26Z")
> [@Endgame](#): > > Ammo and IS prove to be a good combo for attraction once you play the part. Ammo to Adamā€™s apple seems to be working quite well. Not so sure what to attribute to IS. Should do more tests with IS only and carefully observe friends and strangers act around me. > \*\* Iā€™d be interested in seeing you test Ammo solo. Can you get the same attraction without IShine? Iā€™ll be doing Ammo solo soon, but itā€™s in World scent. I donā€™t like the original Ammo scent. Like your friend, it smells like soap to me. ---
**Author:** ![Endgame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Endgame](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Endgame)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2015, 8:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/endgames-games/65237/18 "2015-12-14T08:38:45Z")
> [@HankBuddy](#): > > Iā€™d be interested in seeing you test Ammo solo. Can you get the same attraction without IShine? Iā€™ll be doing Ammo solo soon, but itā€™s in World scent. I donā€™t like the original Ammo scent. Like your friend, it smells like soap to me. I will run some Ammo solo tests over the next few weeks. I wonā€™t have a chance to test it with the same girl until after the holiday season is over, so early Janā€¦ Hopefully, strangers will be as receptive as the girl above.