# Epistane as Pheromone **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 28, 2015, 6:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/epistane-as-pheromone/64998 "2015-09-28T06:19:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Lordktt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/22d042/32.png) [@Lordktt](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lordktt)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 6:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/epistane-as-pheromone/64998/1 "2015-09-28T06:19:30Z")
Hi, i’m trying to make a parfum with this Designer Steroid because i have it from long time now in my closet and it is wasted. There is any possibility of make it works as [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/)? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 9:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/epistane-as-pheromone/64998/2 "2015-09-28T09:26:40Z")
Quite possibly - quite a number of steroids have pheromonal properties when used in much lower doses and it is very likely that some at least of the Putative range here are derived from steroids, designer or otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Jonny38](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Jonny38](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jonny38)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 1:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/epistane-as-pheromone/64998/3 "2015-09-28T13:03:02Z")
If you are planning on making a pheromone by mixing the Epistane with a perfume and then applying this to your skin it will not work. Not particularly a subject for this forum, but basically. Epistane is an oral steroid that converts into testosterone and binds to the Androgen receptors in muscle tissue increasing muscle protein synthesis. It will also decrease natural endogenous testosterone production, referred to as “shutting down”. One will need to use other compounds to aid Endogenous testosterone production when one stops administering the steroid . If one uses sufficient amounts of a testosterone related steroid then this can increase ones None signature as “surplus” testosterone is excreted and converts into androstenone in urine and sweat. ---
**Author:** ![RisenAlpha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@RisenAlpha](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RisenAlpha)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 1:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/epistane-as-pheromone/64998/4 "2015-09-28T13:21:44Z")
Johnny, While we have your attention, and I am hijacking this thread, do you know of any external either pheromone or topical solution that would aid in endogenous testosterone production in men or women? ---
**Author:** ![Jonny38](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Jonny38](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jonny38)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 1:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/epistane-as-pheromone/64998/5 "2015-09-28T13:37:20Z")
Not as such. Recovery is obtained by using compounds that reduce oestrogen levels while endogenous testosterone production recovers. There are some herbal oral compounds that claim to increase endogenous test levels but these are not scientifically proven. One could use a trans-dermal steroid but this will also reduce endogenous test production. Apologises to forum mods if this going off topic for this forum. (More of a subject for Bodybuilding forums really) ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 5:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/epistane-as-pheromone/64998/6 "2015-09-28T17:55:26Z")
I’ve only found one reference to someone trying Epistane as a phero on another forum and their results were inconclusive/rather thin. ---
**Author:** ![Jonny38](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Jonny38](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jonny38)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2015, 8:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/epistane-as-pheromone/64998/7 "2015-09-28T20:33:32Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I’ve only found one reference to someone trying Epistane as a phero on another forum and their results were inconclusive/rather thin. Were they applying the Epistane to their skin? ---
**Author:** ![Pheraoh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheraoh/32/857_2.png) [@Pheraoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pheraoh)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 6:43am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/epistane-as-pheromone/64998/8 "2015-10-07T06:43:30Z")
> [@JosieW](#): > > Johnny, > > While we have your attention, and I am hijacking this thread, do you know of any external either pheromone or topical solution that would aid in endogenous testosterone production in men or women? There was a supplement company that was raided by the DEA that sold a topical pro-hormone product that was essentially huge dosages of androsterone. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 9:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/epistane-as-pheromone/64998/9 "2015-10-07T09:27:56Z")
> [@Jonny38](#): > > Were they applying the Epistane to their skin? I read it that they were - but the report was somewhat lacking in detail, so I can’t be completely certain. ---
**Author:** ![Jonny38](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Jonny38](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jonny38)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2015, 10:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/epistane-as-pheromone/64998/10 "2015-10-07T10:42:22Z")
> [@Pheraoh](#): > > There was a supplement company that was raided by the DEA that sold a topical pro-hormone product that was essentially huge dosages of androsterone. This Prohormone “1-Andro” is still available and legal. However it will suppress ones endogenous Testosterone production. ---
**Author:** ![paradox1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/paradox1/32/1196_2.png) [@paradox1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/paradox1)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 1:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/epistane-as-pheromone/64998/11 "2015-10-08T13:23:49Z")
> [@Jonny38](#): > > This Prohormone “1-Andro” is still available and legal. > However it will suppress ones endogenous Testosterone production. Jonny, Not sure why everyone here is dissuading you. Just [dissolve the](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/epistane-as-pheromone/64998/6)Epistane in some PA. Filter it and pour that into a clean sprayer. Add 10% cologne and test. 1-Androsterone is 1-DHEA. Right? If you have it you might as well test this also. Just test stuff. You never know when you will discover something new and fantastic…like I did. ---
**Author:** ![Jonny38](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Jonny38](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jonny38)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 2:17pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/epistane-as-pheromone/64998/12 "2015-10-08T14:17:03Z")
> [@paradox1](#): > > Jonny, > > Not sure why everyone here is dissuading you. > > Just [dissolve the](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/epistane-as-pheromone/64998)Epistane in some PA. Filter it and pour that into a clean sprayer. Add 10% cologne and test. > > 1-Androsterone is 1-DHEA. Right? If you have it you might as well test this also. > > Just test stuff. You never know when you will discover something new and fantastic…like I did. Thanks Paradox, but I was responding to a question posted by JosieW along with my response to Lordktt original post. My main point is that there aren`t any topical/dermal products that will increase ones endogenous Testosterone. Also any Testosterone product will suppress ones endogenous test production. This is not something I wish to do myself nor would I recommend it for Pheromone related experimentation ---
**Author:** ![paradox1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/paradox1/32/1196_2.png) [@paradox1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/paradox1)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 3:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/epistane-as-pheromone/64998/13 "2015-10-08T15:56:21Z")
> [@Jonny38](#): > > Thanks Paradox, but I was responding to a question posted by JosieW along with my response to Lordktt original post. > > My main point is that there aren’t any topical/dermal products that will increase ones endogenous Testosterone. Also any Testosterone product will suppress ones endogenous test production. > > This is not something I wish to do myself nor would I recommend it for Pheromone related experimentation Oh, I think everything on this site is about [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/). Topical Testosterone does exist but you are not looking for that. Here’s a link that may get you somewhere: [Testosterone (On the skin) - National Library of Medicine - PubMed Health](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMHT0012356/?report=details#how_to_use) ---
**Author:** ![Jonny38](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Jonny38](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Jonny38)\ **Post date:** [October 8, 2015, 6:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/epistane-as-pheromone/64998/14 "2015-10-08T18:52:26Z")
> [@paradox1](#): > > Oh, I think everything on this site is about pheromones. > > Topical Testosterone does exist but you are not looking for that. Here’s a link that may get you somewhere: > > [Testosterone (On the skin) - National Library of Medicine - PubMed Health](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMHT0012356/?report=details#how_to_use) We appear to have some wires crossed.🙂 I am aware that this is a Pheromone site 🙂 I am also aware that dermal testosterone is available, I have a working knowledge of AAS and related compounds 😃 My posts were in response to a question about the existence of a dermal/ topical compound that would increase one’s _ **Endogenous** _ testosterone. To my knowledge there isn’t a compound that is scientifically proven to do this. I was also answering a question related to the possibility of using Epistane as a pheromone. I do not believe this would work. Yes it may work as a transdermal steroid but I don’t see that it would work as a pheromone. Obviously if Lordktt wishes to experiment with Epistane as a pheromone then he is free to do so. It is just, as I stated, not something I would do myself as I cant see it being viable . ---
**Author:** ![Pheraoh](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/pheraoh/32/857_2.png) [@Pheraoh](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Pheraoh)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 9:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/epistane-as-pheromone/64998/15 "2015-10-13T21:55:02Z")
> [@Jonny38](#): > > This Prohormone “1-Andro” is still available and legal. > However it will suppress ones endogenous Testosterone production. I was speaking of one particular instance I knew of. Does using androsterone topically in minute doses as a pheromone carry any risk of suppression?