# Essence of Man Pig ! **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 12, 2007, 11:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/essence-of-man-pig/5509 "2007-09-12T23:41:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2007, 11:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/essence-of-man-pig/5509/1 "2007-09-12T23:41:35Z")
or durn close to it… my design strategy for now is to first work out the best social-conversation-empathizer minus the man skank… fundamentally I want the foundations of Mind Meld… my notes suggest this can be had with TAC, TAH, MEO-EST, EST,[P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/),P86,P91,P96 and a pinch of P83 to keep the party moving… By itself… I feel feminized, even in my converstaions with women it is as if I am female… strange… hmmm.. I’m having this girl chat and I’m a not-girl kinda guy… Sooooooo… being burdened with a penis, body hair, and so on… the “male bombe” consists of androstenone, androstadienone (a-1), and P79… which actually can be loaded up more than you’d initially think IF the Femmy Mix is in place… Man Jazz leaves the communicative aspects of the Fem Mix in place but adds “guy think”… more irony, more juice, more attitude… you get the sense of the psychological positives of male energy, not just the sexual or egotistical side, but the intellectual focus, the critical evaluations, less glowy glowing clouds and more zeroing in, finding the needle in the haystack, sorting out the bullshit… the constructive contribution of the male mind… I also grok why a high percentage of post college girls who have been given to think that they are “mentally just like guys” and try to comport themselves accordingly don’t pull it off too well… what we men lack in hemispheric communication we rule when it comes to the drill downs… the male mind IS different, not better, simple the necessary complement evolved to work with the female mind… Sex with the Femmy Mix is very skin gliding, hand holding, slow rhythmic, time stands still… quite fine for Esalen style massage… where sex with Male Swill added is far more muscular, sweaty… some serious calories get exerted… Now… as any girl will tell you, the Big Test of Will This Happen Again ? is how well you, the questionable guy (and in reproductive matters, the guy will always come under unaturally close scrutiny…) manage to maintian the communicative bond _after sex_… Which is where the femmy mones are your best friend… hopefully, with much of them in the air, you won’t shut down and close off in ordinary guy mode but stay open and connected beyond any of her previous experience of openess and connection… which will both confuse and amaze her… as she is well acquainted with the post-sex fade out that men are notorious for, and she’s aleready bracing herself for it… But noooooo… YOU ! Superstud Dickmeister you… have vaulted the screwed up and dysfunctional barriers that primate evolution has secretly constructed for reasons we have long forgotten, something about not eating babies or urgently needing to hang with the bonobo guys… and, dude, YOU RULE. ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2007, 12:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/essence-of-man-pig/5509/2 "2007-09-13T00:12:21Z")
i was just reading your past posts on TAC when i saw this one So i am waiting to try some fem [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) soon and it looks like you already know how they work. When i get my Instant sexiness i will try it up on the Club Staff(mostly females) and see how do they respond 🙂 ohh and by femmy pheromones you suggest using ? ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2007, 1:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/essence-of-man-pig/5509/3 "2007-09-13T01:00:45Z")
My Superwoman mix is EST, MEO-EST, Androsterone (here it adds a sense of security instead of maleness), TAC, TAH, P74, P83 (just a bit for focus), P86 (integrator), P91, P93 (91 +93 sparingly for a rich burnished glow), P96 (a must, works like gold with the P86)… this has enough balance and complexity that you don’t get the single note, lean on the lever, motormouthy push like you get from beta-nol… note: I deliberately leave out the alpha-androstenol bcause it is the most purely romantic of all the pheromones… definitely add in alpha-nol for any sexmix… if you put any sort of alpha-nol in a “first contact” mix, you can get an abreaction… they go into self doubting, self critical mode after, and may actually want MORE distance next time… any social thing that comes on too strong, goes too far too fast, and doesn’t make emotional sense IS going to activate the frontal cortex of the brain which will want to know WHY am I feeling all this warm fuzzy stuff ??? All in all the P86/P96 is a really interesting pair, because it doesn’t push or drivea nything, it does create a deep sense of self-integration or wholeness, which is fundamentally sane feeling… ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2007, 1:08am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/essence-of-man-pig/5509/4 "2007-09-13T01:08:35Z")
ooook so i think i will be filling my cart with allot of stuf this days 🙂 bad thing that MEO-EST is miising.. and p74 in this mix ? 😕 but ok you are the old phero teacher here 😛 ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2007, 1:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/essence-of-man-pig/5509/5 "2007-09-13T01:51:10Z")
Sure…[P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) is sweet and sociable… it’s P79 that’s heavy and lusty…😃 ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2007, 5:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/essence-of-man-pig/5509/6 "2007-09-13T05:17:44Z")
Jasmin really needs to bring back MEO-EST. Its an essential part of most of my mixes. Pleased to hear that THE GREAT TACITUS also thinks well of MEO-EST! ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2007, 8:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/essence-of-man-pig/5509/7 "2007-09-13T08:16:12Z")
Thanks tacitus.. Very inspirational stuff. Though I don’t have the MEO-EST and all the putatives mentioned. But I’ll try some of them in a mix this weekend. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2007, 11:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/essence-of-man-pig/5509/8 "2007-09-13T11:40:37Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > My Superwoman mix is EST, MEO-EST, Androsterone (here it adds a sense of security instead of maleness), TAC, TAH, P74, P83 (just a bit for focus), P86 (integrator), P91, P93 (91 +93 sparingly for a rich burnished glow), P96 (a must, works like gold with the P86)… Is there a shorter version? 😃 I’m afraid I only have P74 & [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) from your list… I’d love to reconstruct it - do you have a standard recipe with sprays/mcg per sprays? ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2007, 12:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/essence-of-man-pig/5509/9 "2007-09-13T12:30:21Z")
> [@bubblebob](#): > > Is there a shorter version? 😃 I’m afraid I only have P74 & P83 from your list… > > I’d love to reconstruct it - do you have a standard recipe with sprays/mcg per sprays? I myself have those, a314 for the -rone and also P96. ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2007, 1:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/essence-of-man-pig/5509/10 "2007-09-13T13:43:25Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > if you put any sort of Alpha Androstenol in a “first contact” mix, you can get an abreaction… they go into self doubting, self critical mode after, and may actually want MORE distance next time… any social thing that comes on too strong, goes too far too fast, and doesn’t make emotional sense IS going to activate the frontal cortex of the brain which will want to know WHY am I feeling all this warm fuzzy stuff ??? Man, you are changing the very foundations of [pheromone](https://a314.com/) use. 😛 No alpha-androstenol for “first contact”?? Surprisingly the way you put it actually makes sense! ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2007, 3:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/essence-of-man-pig/5509/11 "2007-09-13T15:42:12Z")
> [@nbully79](#): > > Man, you are changing the very foundations of pheromone use. 😛 No alpha-androstenol for “first contact”?? Surprisingly the way you put it actually makes sense! By “first contact” is that the first time she sees you in her life, or after you’ve met her twice, you ask her out and when you two meet for a date or drinks, is that the actual “first contact” ? ---
**Author:** ![tacitus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@tacitus](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tacitus)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2007, 4:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/essence-of-man-pig/5509/12 "2007-09-13T16:04:29Z")
Play it as it lays… IME it means when you mutually decide to do something one-on-one where you are going to be talking, probing, finding out who the other person is, or any point before that… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2007, 4:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/essence-of-man-pig/5509/13 "2007-09-13T16:14:34Z")
> [@tacitus](#): > > Play it as it lays… IME it means when you mutually decide to do something one-on-one where you are going to be talking, probing, finding out who the other person is, or any point before that… 😉 Ok so my two cases (which I mentioned above) are both kind of “first contacts”… thanks! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![PheroQuirk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9e8a1a/32.png) [@PheroQuirk](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PheroQuirk)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2007, 5:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/essence-of-man-pig/5509/14 "2007-09-13T17:12:12Z")
doses ? I would personally say as ballpark TAC 10-50mcg, TAH 5-12.5, P74 25-50mcg, [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) 12.5-25mcg, P86 25mcg, P91 25 mg, P93 25-50mcg, P96 25 mcg, EST 25-50 mcg, MO-EST 25mcg, rone 12.5mcg > [@tacitus](#): > > My Superwoman mix is EST, MEO-EST, Androsterone (here it adds a sense of security instead of maleness), TAC, TAH, P74, P83 (just a bit for focus), P86 (integrator), P91, P93 (91 +93 sparingly for a rich burnished glow), P96 (a must, works like gold with the P86)… this has enough balance and complexity that you don’t get the single note, lean on the lever, motormouthy push like you get from beta-Androstenol… note: I deliberately leave out the alpha-androstenol bcause it is the most purely romantic of all the pheromones… definitely add in Alpha Androstenol for any sexmix… if you put any sort of Alpha Androstenol in a “first contact” mix, you can get an abreaction… they go into self doubting, self critical mode after, and may actually want MORE distance next time… any social thing that comes on too strong, goes too far too fast, and doesn’t make emotional sense IS going to activate the frontal cortex of the brain which will want to know WHY am I feeling all this warm fuzzy stuff ??? All in all the P86/P96 is a really interesting pair, because it doesn’t push or drivea nything, it does create a deep sense of self-integration or wholeness, which is fundamentally sane feeling… ---
**Author:** ![Phoenix](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/phoenix/32/673_2.png) [@Phoenix](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Phoenix)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2007, 8:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/essence-of-man-pig/5509/15 "2007-10-09T08:33:43Z")
tacitus & pheroquirk, any more info on this mix? has it been working for you?