# EST +Ammo or P83? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 7, 2008, 6:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-ammo-or-p83/10875 "2008-04-07T18:19:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![galydrum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/galydrum/32/5181_2.png) [@galydrum](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/galydrum)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2008, 6:19pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-ammo-or-p83/10875/1 "2008-04-07T18:19:16Z")
Okay, been a couple days since I posted (and deleted) my report about the bright-eyed kid that took a liking to me while I was wearing Realm (trace amounts of EST), P83, and [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) at a dance practice. Just didn’t seem to be much interest in it. But still wanted to get an answer to my question. Anyone with experience mixing (or layering, rather) concentrated EST (say, 50-200 mcg) with Ammo or P83? Wondering how such a strong social “comfort” phero would compliment something more aggressive. In my searches I’ve seen some speculations, but no real testing (although I could have missed something). ---
**Author:** ![galydrum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/galydrum/32/5181_2.png) [@galydrum](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/galydrum)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 2:12am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-ammo-or-p83/10875/2 "2008-04-08T02:12:48Z")
Huh. Is there like no interest in this combo or something? I mean . . . people would rather talk about rubbing male semen on their skin? I just don’t get it. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 1:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-ammo-or-p83/10875/3 "2008-04-08T13:27:13Z")
See my journal. About the male semen bit, some people are just nasty. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 2:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-ammo-or-p83/10875/4 "2008-04-08T14:01:10Z")
Not so many people in the mens forum have tried EST - partly because it’s the priciest [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) at the androtics store and as far as I know it’s generally a pheromone that mostly befriends males, but the majority of men are far more interested in enhanced attraction of females… I guess that’s why there isn’t much feedback. I don’t have EST either… ---
**Author:** ![nbully79](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c68b51/32.png) [@nbully79](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/nbully79)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 2:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-ammo-or-p83/10875/5 "2008-04-08T14:48:51Z")
> [@galydrum](#): > > Okay, been a couple days since I posted (and deleted) my report about the bright-eyed kid that took a liking to me while I was wearing Realm (trace amounts of EST), P83, and Instant Honesty at a dance practice. Just didn’t seem to be much interest in it. > > But still wanted to get an answer to my question. Anyone with experience mixing (or layering, rather) concentrated EST (say, 50-200 mcg) with Ammo or P83? Wondering how such a strong social “comfort” phero would compliment something more aggressive. > > In my searches I’ve seen some speculations, but no real testing (although I could have missed something). Hey galydrum, search for posts by sigma with Est keyword. He has done testing with strong dosage of Est combined with sexual [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/). My experience with Est is limited to Realm/m so that wouldn’t help you. ---
**Author:** ![galydrum](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/galydrum/32/5181_2.png) [@galydrum](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/galydrum)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2008, 2:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-ammo-or-p83/10875/6 "2008-04-08T14:50:59Z")
Okay, makes sense. It just seemed that there was quite a bit of interest in EST recently, so I figured _someone_ must have tried this. I was under the impression that EST was more of a universal befriender and a specifically male befriender. I am, of course, also interested in the attraction of females. That’s why I’m wondering about the effects it might have layered with -none or [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/). Thanks all for the replies! I will attempt to wade through your MASSIVE journal, Tater! ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2008, 5:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-ammo-or-p83/10875/7 "2008-04-09T05:07:38Z")
EST does wonderful things to women. IH 16x, EST and MX102/103 have given me the strongest hits so far. ---
**Author:** ![bubblebob](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/bubblebob/32/2120_2.png) [@bubblebob](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bubblebob)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2008, 10:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-ammo-or-p83/10875/8 "2008-04-09T10:41:01Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > EST does wonderful things to women. Instant Honesty 16x, EST and MX102/103 have given me the strongest hits so far. I guess I have to re-read your journal then! I always thought it’s mainly for befriending other men. Btw, does it have any self-effects like lifting your mood or something?