# EST and MEO-EST? **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [March 31, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-and-meo-est/27582 "2009-03-31T02:15:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-and-meo-est/27582/1 "2009-03-31T02:15:26Z")
First, I’d like to know what MEO-EST does thats so different from EST. Second, I was wondering if anyone knew where I could get some EST? Thanks ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-and-meo-est/27582/2 "2009-03-31T16:27:07Z")
Meo Est has been described by some members as a male version of EST. How close they are molecularly I dont know. They do not act the same though. Meo seems to react different each time the user wears it except on Diane who has had better luck with it so far. Jasmin told me there is no good EST out on the market right now. Even LS gets their stuff from Japan and its inferior to the American synthesized EST. That being said we all get it from LS in the chem set form but you have to mix it yourself. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 6:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-and-meo-est/27582/3 "2009-03-31T18:07:53Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Meo Est has been described by some members as a male version of EST. How close they are molecularly I dont know. They do not act the same though. Meo seems to react different each time the user wears it except on Diane who has had better luck with it so far. > > Jasmin told me there is no good EST out on the market right now. Even LS gets their stuff from Japan and its inferior to the American synthesized EST. That being said we all get it from LS in the chem set form but you have to mix it yourself. > > Tisha When you say we have to mix it ourselves what exactly do you mean? Is it not already ready to use? Also, is Androtics not planning on releasing anymore EST? ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 8:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-and-meo-est/27582/4 "2009-03-31T20:57:32Z")
Due to a mystical message from a magical member here (remember when you rep or neg me you don’t have to sign it for me to know you. I am the moderator LOL 😉) I need to revise something I wrote above. The EST at LS doesn’t come from Japan it comes from Stones “lab” You can do whatever you wish with this information but I wanted to clear the air since I made a member a wee bit unhappy and that was not my intention. 😉 Now since this is Jasmin’s forum here is what she has to say about Stones products. > [@](#): > > I’ve held my lip for years on this, so it wouldn’t harm one of the larger phero retailers out there, which is run by a very good man who happens to have a few disreputable dealers. (and as a retailer, it’s not like he’s had much choice in the matter) > > The sad reality is actually that **Stone** is substandard in every way, shape and form, as all products from dishonest companies are. > > Call Sigma-Aldrich on Monday ([sigma-aldrich.com](http://sigma-aldrich.com)), ask a product manager for chemical A8008, and show them this: > `http://discountpheromones.com/COA.htm` > > This fake 99.9% purity COA taken from an older generation of Sigma’s Aldrich’s website, and changed slightly. The good folks are Sigma years ago had a good laugh at how poorly **Stone** interpreted the COA and changed the the # in the wrong column in their attempts to forge their purity. I don’t know if there’s any more laughs in them at someone who steals their NMRs and certificates of analysis for their own fraudulent purposes, but feel free to tickle them and see what comes out. Maybe they’ll laugh out a lawsuit against their pests this time 'round. > > i.e., they’re not even bright enough to _read_ a COA, nevermind forge one. What makes you think the quality of their product is any higher than the quality of their forgeries? > > While they do, in fact, put more in the bottle than a company like Pherlure, ultimately the same lack of ethics drive them. They don’t really care. > > They haven’t cared all of these years to even cover up their fraud, even though it’s well known. That’s how much they don’t care. All of these companies will serve you Chinese crap at the highest markup and lie to you to get you to do it. They just want your money in exchange for hollow tokens. > > People who are fooled watch people’s words, not their actions. The only truth is in actions. [Ethology](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethology). If you watch actions, you see they use cheap, Chinese crap in their product. Their primary action has shown them to not make anything consistent in their lives, which is why you see posts [LIKE THIS](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-happened-to-eow/22900) about their products being wildly inconsistent batch to batch. I’ve been told they’re a printing company that may have taken some client’s business once upon a time. I don’t know if that’s true or not, but it may explain their lack of understanding of the chemical industry, and how to formulate consistent product. > > Now, if you think for a minute that 53 cent per gram androstadienone compares to $9800 per gram American made, or 8 cent per g [androstenol](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) to $2k per gram American, this is just fluff. Everything from the source materials to the cleanliness of the labs, to the laws demanding certain standards, are 180 degrees difference in the US vs. China when it comes to chemicals. You couldn’t be more different. > > You can read about Chinese vs. conscientious synthesis over at the ex-FDA agent owned [consumerlab.com](http://consumerlab.com) (you have to join to get the good stuff), who we’re working with for verifiable 3rd party verification to police this industry. We have the exact same problems in the phero industry as they do in the nutrition industry. > > Remember, the Chinese as a manufacturing culture are so apathetic they actually feed their own children melamine (school tables). > > [chinese feeds their children melamine - Google Search](http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=chinese+feeds+their+children+melamine&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8) > > They use lead in their paint, I’m sure you’ve heard. They just don’t care. Yet, _APATHY KILLS_. It kills you and me. It kills our children. > > Apathy kills this world. > > Buy from the kind of people who feed _their own kids_ melamine if you like, and please be aware of the kind of world you’re making. > > There’s more ways to promote this world than with dirty smokestacks and filthy tailpipes. You can vote with your dollars and support people who don’t care about people. You can send them a message, loud & clear, that fraud and carelessness is OK. You can make the world not much different from the movie “Bedazzled”, if you like, where every request is met by some sort of perversion of reality. You never seem to get to the good stuff when you’re busy making requests of the devil. > > Or you can make the world better on a longer term basis by supporting the few people and companies who really a damn… which is a short list in this particular industry… > > As I say over & over to people who want to try other brands, aside from us, there’s Dr. Dodd (and perhaps the company he left behind, KioTech), James Kohl (although he may have an issue w/his manufacturer from time to time), LaCroy, Dr. “SmellThis” from LS (you can’t be much more of a compassionate perfectionist than this fine fellow!), Dr. Winifred Cutler, and Pherin Pharmaceuticals (the current patent holders for androstadienone and estratratetraenol). > > NONE of these companies have done as well as the scammers, since we all depend more on reality and honesty (the cornerstones of actual research) than we do on programming you mentally w/fluff just to sell you stuff. That’s why we’re not all about sex here, 'cuz that exclusive association w/ pheromones is simply untrue. > > They do more and different things that, but the mark of a con man is always to tell you exactly what you _expect_ to hear. It feels comforting to to the masses to have their fears and hopes confirmed, and not truly learn anything about reality. “Oh yes, pheromones are alllll about sex sEx seX triple X baby… Humans aren’t social creatures. They make your target assume the ‘penetrate me position’, just like they do on pigs!” > > Black mold is the predominant strain of the industry petri dish we live in. The white fluffy, good bacteria don’t have much hold… But not for much longer… Some of the few honest folks have banded together, and we will with combined legal and trustable, 3rd party industry policing move the dominance of scammers to the dominance of actual technologists and researchers. > > Together, we will clean up this industry. The scammers can go hit the streets again, and go back to pick pocketing or whatever they did before. > > In fact, that’s a great way to summarize what has happened. > > All these guys have done is use the right **combination of lies** to get you to **open your wallets** for the dishonest, and to turn your suspicion on the honest. They are nothing more than mental lock breakers. Mental pick pocketers. Like any lock breaker, they they often screw up the lock when breaking in. > > This is just like what the drug heroine does to morphine receptors in the body. It activates them while covertly changing the shape of the receptor. Now only the fraudulent lock picks work anymore. The real key(s), for some reason, don’t work anymore. There’s no way to feel real happiness anymore without the hollow drug. Now does this mean you should not use Stones products ? I am not saying that it would make me a hypocrite. I am just making the information available to you so you can make your own choice just as I have knowing this info. I use a few products made with Stone mones in them and some of them I like a lot. Some dont work for me but that happens to everyone, mones are not one size fits all. You make your own decision on if you want to or not. … That being said I am sorry I hijacked your thread a little happykitsune. Yes you have to mix it yourself. Diane wrote a thread about it here somewhere just do a search on her posts on EST. No they dont plan on releasing it in the immediate future but sometimes minds change so its not written in stone (no pun intended). Tisha ---
**Author:** ![happykitsune](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/happykitsune/32/2415_2.png) [@happykitsune](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/happykitsune)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2009, 11:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-and-meo-est/27582/5 "2009-03-31T23:00:54Z")
I see. That explains a lot. Hmm, now I’m really skeptical. I’d rather not pay 89 something dollars for something that may or may not work. I’d much rather wait, but I hate the thought of not being able to use it. Do you perhaps know why this can’t be made? Is it something to do with health regulations or something of that nature? Or is it just too expensive to create/to hard to make? Thanks so much for the info you provided Tisha. This has been really helpful. I’m going to do a search on EST to see how Stone’s product has worked for other.