# EST at 250mcg **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 25, 2007, 5:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-at-250mcg/4791 "2007-07-25T05:17:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![PepeInLosAltos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7cd45c/32.png) [@PepeInLosAltos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PepeInLosAltos)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2007, 5:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-at-250mcg/4791/1 "2007-07-25T05:17:03Z")
250mcg, applied to wrists, outdoor area, covered with .04 oz Gaultier after 1 minute drying effect: strong disarming for women, adds energy (Caucasian), uninhibited social laughter and mild disarming for women (African, Asian), skeptical lingering for men, lowers energy (Caucasian), no effect for men (African, Asian) avg period of exposure before effect: 10-15 min first noticed effect (after application): 8 min last noticed effect: 4 hr repeatable: no. test group is random. sample size: 5+ per group uniform response in each group: very OD effect: possible for some groups hostility: mild. Caucasian men notes: Asian/African women became giggly. disarming = accepting of what others say, more likely to react positively to touch. “this is a safe place” more than action or attachment to a person. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2007, 10:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-at-250mcg/4791/2 "2007-07-25T10:46:24Z")
Good work Pepe! I find people quite chilled out and a little uncommunitative when I wear too many sprays at a time of Realm (which contains low doses of fast diffusing Est with a fragrance). I do see silly behaviour from it as well, especially from men. Affection and empathy are also something it adds! So have you experimented with these megadoses for any other mone? How would you compare the effects of say medium dose Est applications (30-50 mcg) to this megadose of 250 mcg? -Visionary ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2007, 3:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-at-250mcg/4791/3 "2007-07-25T15:16:53Z")
Great review Pepeinlosaltos! Very methodic, we should learn about that way of describing our testings… ---
**Author:** ![PepeInLosAltos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7cd45c/32.png) [@PepeInLosAltos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PepeInLosAltos)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2007, 4:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-at-250mcg/4791/4 "2007-07-25T16:32:22Z")
thanks visionary and capone. i have many experiments to perform. what else should i log? i am just starting my experiment list. since i wait 1-3 days between experiments, i have not tried too much. my tests are done blind. i have prepared and numbered 10 unlabeled vials, 4 of which are placebo. i grab a vial. log my results. then look up what i tested. i use different fragrances, so i may be remembering which fragrance i used with which test, but i hope not. i spent 1 week baselining with IS, IO, IH, IFM and [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) to learn what to look for. i have enough tests to keep me busy for a while, but would like suggestions. i have IS, IO, IFM, CTTM, EST, MEO-EST, TAC, TAF, P74, P79, P83, P88 and SL. i want IH when it is in stock. i do not want to play with -none. after i get basic effects measured, i will try mixing. ---
**Author:** ![capone](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/capone/32/587_2.png) [@capone](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/capone)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2007, 4:53pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-at-250mcg/4791/5 "2007-07-25T16:53:20Z")
> [@PepeInLosAltos](#): > > thanks visionary and capone. i have many experiments to perform. what else should i log? > > i am just starting my experiment list. since i wait 1-3 days between experiments, i have not tried too much. > > my tests are done blind. i have prepared and numbered 10 unlabeled vials, 4 of which are placebo. i grab a vial. log my results. then look up what i tested. i use different fragrances, so i may be remembering which fragrance i used with which test, but i hope not. i spent 1 week baselining with IS, Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, Instant Female Magic and Ammo to learn what to look for. > > i have enough tests to keep me busy for a while, but would like suggestions. i have IS, Instant Openness, Instant Female Magic, CTTM, EST, MEO-EST, TAC, TAF, P74, P79, P83, P88 and SL. i want Instant Honesty when it is in stock. i do not want to play with -none. after i get basic effects measured, i will try mixing. I like your way 😉 It would be very interesting a blind test including a mix with IO and IH and another one with CTTM to see the diferences in duration or intensity of effects. Do you find Ammo+IS more sexual than Ammo alone? That would be a great mix experiment too (IMO). I also would ask your opinions about p74 alone and about a mix: Ammo+p79 (or something else with -none + p79, would you include that? 😉 Thank you very much, I appreciate a lot your serious expermients and reviews. Good Luck and go on, i think your ideas are great and fresh here. ---
**Author:** ![PepeInLosAltos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7cd45c/32.png) [@PepeInLosAltos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PepeInLosAltos)\ **Post date:** [July 26, 2007, 3:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-at-250mcg/4791/6 "2007-07-26T03:45:12Z")
capone, one of the vials is 50% IH and 50% IO from my to-go vials. i don’t know when they will show up, but you’re in luck. today had CTTM. i chose this experiment to identify how much Androtics “buffering” helps and how long the stuff lasts. look for a new thread with today’s CTTM test. i dont get to test another until Friday because of possible -none breakdown effect. i will add “Ammo to-go @ 3 sprays equivalent plus P79 @ 12.5mcg” when i am down to 5 vials. Ammo doesn’t seem too dangerous, but i am worried about social problems with -none. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2007, 2:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-at-250mcg/4791/7 "2007-07-28T02:28:42Z")
> [@PepeInLosAltos](#): > > thanks visionary and capone. i have many experiments to perform. what else should i log? > > i am just starting my experiment list. since i wait 1-3 days between experiments, i have not tried too much. > > my tests are done blind. i have prepared and numbered 10 unlabeled vials, 4 of which are placebo. i grab a vial. log my results. then look up what i tested. i use different fragrances, so i may be remembering which fragrance i used with which test, but i hope not. i spent 1 week baselining with IS, Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, Instant Female Magic and Ammo to learn what to look for. > > i have enough tests to keep me busy for a while, but would like suggestions. i have IS, Instant Openness, Instant Female Magic, CTTM, EST, MEO-EST, TAC, TAF, P74, P79, P83, P88 and SL. i want Instant Honesty when it is in stock. i do not want to play with -none. after i get basic effects measured, i will try mixing. Pepe, from your list there I would love to see if you find anything with Meo-Est, P83 and/or P88. The other [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/) are pretty well known I would say with regard to their effects… Am not sure what SL stands for? Also if you can afford it, massive megadoses (like 200 mcg+) at a time of Meo-Est, P83, and/or P88 would really be interesting as I don’t think anyone has bothered trying such humungous doses of these putatives (except for Tacitus perhaps) - 200 mcg+ may bring out properties yet unheard of in this forum… -Visionary ---
**Author:** ![PepeInLosAltos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7cd45c/32.png) [@PepeInLosAltos](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/PepeInLosAltos)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2007, 7:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-at-250mcg/4791/8 "2007-07-31T07:32:36Z")
just remembered something else. people who would normally argue with you dont, unless you push hard. they tend to whine and fuss, but not argue. like any temper is damped down. think of when your dog is fussy at you and grumbles but wont bark. might be good for defusing bad situations.