# EST puts my man in the mood for love **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 21, 2007, 1:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637 "2007-12-21T01:59:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![sheba](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sheba/32/1664_2.png) [@sheba](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sheba)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2008, 5:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/61 "2008-02-03T05:55:09Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > Its never as good as the first time. I’d have to disagree with this one line. The first time with my current bf was simply not good. LOL Lots of connection and chemistry before hand. I was truly looking forward to it. But it was simply a flop. We worked out the kinks by the fourth of fifth time. But I’d have to say that it really got fabulous once I fell in love with him and has only gotten better, for me, since. This is the only time in my life where the sex started out bad and climbed to fabulous. He is also, to date, the love of my life. ---
**Author:** ![sugarspice](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sugarspice/32/1772_2.png) [@sugarspice](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sugarspice)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2008, 6:16am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/62 "2008-02-03T06:16:44Z")
Yah, I have a theory, that men who believe they are great in bed on the first try are eager to share their techniques with many women. Twice in my life I had awesome first tries that did not lead to “he’s all yours.” However, for some strange reason if they suck first time they seemed to want to keep wanting to comeback to work on it. I think men by nature like to fix things or too embarrassed to strut their stuff if they don’t feel like pros. However to get them to looooooong for you does require a bit of word games, implanting suggestions, and being able to appear calm and cool at all times, somehow be unattainable through circumstance, as well as some bedroom techniques, maybe cops, I’m not sure. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2008, 6:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/63 "2008-02-03T06:31:40Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Get out, 😮 who did you write for. I have done a few myself for Elloras. Great minds think alike LOL > > Tisha Cant tell. Too easy to make the connection to my real life. Ellora, huh? Tisha becomes more interesting every day… ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2008, 12:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/64 "2008-02-03T12:43:29Z")
> [@](#): > > Renny is the man!!! Ok this is driving me bonkers, Are you talking about our renny (who is great by the way) or is your boyfriend named renny? LOL > [@](#): > > Cant tell. Too easy to make the connection to my real life. Woooo sassy 🙂 Mine are pure fiction so no worries there (snort) Good goddess can you imagine my mother would disown me. Extra money was nice but its alot of work which took some of the fun out of it. LOL Tisha ---
**Author:** ![sheba](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sheba/32/1664_2.png) [@sheba](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sheba)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2008, 3:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/65 "2008-02-03T15:03:13Z")
> [@sugarspice](#): > > Yah, I have a theory, that men who believe they are great in bed on the first try are eager to share their techniques with many women. Twice in my life I had awesome first tries that did not lead to “he’s all yours.” > > However, for some strange reason if they suck first time they seemed to want to keep wanting to comeback to work on it. I think men by nature like to fix things or too embarrassed to strut their stuff if they don’t feel like pros. This was definitely the case with my guy. I know he’s had success in the past… and certain things were awesome, but he was too rough with me; which didn’t jive with the emotional connection he’d exhibited before we did the deed. Which caused me to pull away slightly and triggered a driving need for him to correct his actions and have me. This wasn’t something I did, purposefully, mind you. I really did begin to pull away. For us to have connected in every other possible way so easily only to have dissappointing sex made me feel that I’d possibly misread him. > [@](#): > > However to get them to looooooong for you does require a bit of word games, implanting suggestions, and being able to appear calm and cool at all times, somehow be unattainable through circumstance, as well as some bedroom techniques, maybe cops, I’m not sure. I find it easier to get them longing before the sex. In my own experience, I’m a bit of a committment phobe… so appearing unattainable is easy… because I am just that. ---
**Author:** ![sheba](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sheba/32/1664_2.png) [@sheba](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sheba)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2008, 3:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/66 "2008-02-03T15:04:08Z")
> [@](#): > > Renny is the man!!! > [@tisha23](#): > > Ok this is driving me bonkers, Are you talking about our renny (who is great by the way) or is your boyfriend named renny? LOL I am talking about our Renny. 😛 I’d sent him a message asking him how his links appeared as words in his sig. And he wasn’t sure but figured it out and got back to me. He’s such a sweetheart. ---
**Author:** ![sugarspice](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sugarspice/32/1772_2.png) [@sugarspice](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sugarspice)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2008, 5:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/67 "2008-02-03T17:18:25Z")
> [@sheba](#): > > I find it easier to get them longing before the sex. In my own experience, I’m a bit of a committment phobe… so appearing unattainable is easy… because I am just that. Yah I agree, also they tend to long after I dump them. Hmmm. now that there are pheros, hopefully I can stop breaking hearts to evoke some emotional memories. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ariadne](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/ariadne/32/770_2.png) [@ariadne](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ariadne)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 4:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/68 "2008-02-05T04:03:18Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > Heavy TAC, heavy EST, P83, P86, a bit of TAA. I would also apply copulins after the 2nd “activity” for the evening, and again in the morning. > > This would give a heavy memory effect and leave the impression of your needing protection, which would feel good to give. The additional copulins ONLY after the 2nd activity is to ensure that he perceives your body as hungry for him, which triggers subconscious reciprocation in men. Its the right kind of funk to give a single note impression that will stick with him. No artificial copulins after the first 24-48 hours unless its very light. Tater, are you saying here that you would suggest _not_ using copulins _at all_ until after the second activity of the night? Or are you saying to not apply _more_ until after that time? If it’s the former, can you elaborate on why? ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 6:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/69 "2008-02-05T06:22:59Z")
> [@ariadne](#): > > Tater, are you saying here that you would suggest _not_ using copulins _at all_ until after the second activity of the night? Or are you saying to not apply _more_ until after that time? > > If it’s the former, can you elaborate on why? Men are very transitional. You want to be the sweet-smelling, gorgeous woman until hes recovering from round one. Then you want to become the tramp who wants to devour him because hes so hot. Let him know you can be both the whore and the lady. At first…sweet-smelling After first time…establish natural scent After second time…getting raunchy and acting like it If you overshoot, but not too much, with the copulins, hell attribute it to how wonderful a lover he is and associate how good his ego feels with how wonderful you are to be with. Maybe even tempt him with how much youd like to really let go of yourself with him, or how youve never been with a man who was so sexual he intimidated you. Play it up. Just dont get too far ahead of him. You dont want him thinking hes just along for the ride. If you use the copulins early, hell associate them with you being in the mood, not your natural body emissions. You want the copulins-enhanced smell to be that of an over-the-top romp, something for him to aim for after a good workout, not something easy to achieve. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 11:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/70 "2008-02-05T11:44:05Z")
> [@](#): > > You want to be the sweet-smelling, gorgeous woman until hes recovering from round one. Then you want to become the tramp who wants to devour him because hes so hot. Let him know you can be both the whore and the lady. Good goddess its time like this I need Dolly and Bunny LOL I may not be familar with P86 but I do know my copulins Copulins do not indicate a women who has had sex or is a slutty tramp. They are produced BEFORE sex. They dont indicate we are aroused either, They indicate a women who is fertile which is why they increase a mens testosterone levels. A virgin can have tremendous copulin output when they become fertile. Copulins can and should be used **before and after** encounters within your dosage levels. They are what gives us a edge on the compitition just like Androstenone does for men. So we can also theoretically say that men should not wear Androstenone on after the first encounter. 😕 Of course not they cause attraction and arousal. Want us to come back for more wear that anone. Same go’s for cops. > [@](#): > > If you use the copulins early, hell associate them with you being in the mood, not your natural body emissions.You want the copulins-enhanced smell to be that of an over-the-top romp, something for him to aim for after a good workout, not something easy to achieve. You are confusing copulins worn by a man which indicate that he has had sex with a women and copulins on a women which indicate she is attractive healthy and fertile (a good mate choice). > [@](#): > > If you overshoot, but not too much, with the copulins, hell attribute it to how wonderful a lover he is and associate how good his ego feels with how wonderful you are to be with. Maybe even tempt him with how much youd like to really let go of yourself with him, or how youve never been with a man who was so sexual he intimidated you. Play it up. Just dont get too far ahead of him. You dont want him thinking hes just along for the ride. Copulins have nothing to do with the male thinking the female is a good lover. She is gonna have to do that on her own. They make the man more aggressive which in many cases leads to him being a better more attentive lover. If a women wanted to let go of herself she would wear a few dabs of Androstenone which increases our arousal triggering more activity and participation during sex. I know you have used Dirty Tater and you cant stand the smell. But a women wearing cops is a whole different beast then when a man wears them. In a bottle they smell like butt cheese. But something happens after a women applies them and they dont smell bad at all. Quite the contrary. I get more compliments (on smell) and hits with cops on then when I dont wear them. Amazing but true of 90% of the women who know how to use them. They will leave the same impression or better on a man the first, second ,third ect ect time. In fact when I wear copulins my husband dosnt roll over and go to sleep. Within a short recovery time he is back for more. Many other women have indicated the same while wearing cops around there men. Its why we call Dolly the C.O.O (snort) I wont go as far as to say men shouldnt wear them as Bunny always did. They have there place in mens products to give the indication he sleeps around or is a player. “The Bad Boy Vibe” Tisha ---
**Author:** ![inkling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/inkling/32/2326_2.png) [@inkling](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/inkling)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 7:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/71 "2008-02-05T19:59:38Z")
Excellent posting as usual Tisha. I may be over sensitive to your post Tater, implying that wearing copulins puts a tramp signal out there just strikes me as foolish. Copulins are present whether applied or due to natural output. As for Est, I’ve just purchased a bottle, I could use a good dose of sensitive & caring lovey dovey. It seems there will always be that product I have to have even with my already huge arsenal of products. Or I am too easily swayed to try everything I read on the forum. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![sugarspice](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sugarspice/32/1772_2.png) [@sugarspice](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sugarspice)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2008, 10:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/72 "2008-02-05T22:22:25Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > A virgin can have tremendous copulin output when they become fertile. > Tisha I agree, I read somewhere that virgins produce the most amounts of cops this is why men of traditional cultures feel revived when sleeping next to one. That and some other bizarre fear based psychological reasons. As for the rolling over to sleep thing, I had one lover who did that…I told him, he was the only one who did that, and that my more experienced lovers told me it was a young guy thing. Ever since, then he stop falling asleep. The power of words can make a person do anything… 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kitten](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/kitten/32/1051_2.png) [@Kitten](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Kitten)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 12:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/73 "2008-02-06T00:00:28Z")
…Cops really aren’t supposed to say, “I’m totally hot for it and I don’t care who you are. Let’s go!” Instead, cops say, “I’m the fittest woman around. My eggs are the best. So check me out, Mr. Caveman!”… Other information removed for your protection. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 1:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/74 "2008-02-06T01:15:59Z")
EWWWW LOL I would draw the line at that one (snort) It would give new meaning to sex in a bottle 😛 ---
**Author:** ![sugarspice](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sugarspice/32/1772_2.png) [@sugarspice](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sugarspice)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 4:59am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/75 "2008-02-06T04:59:26Z")
I’ve had sex in a bottle, it’s called goldschlager. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 6:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/76 "2008-02-06T06:48:10Z")
Tater sighs. I think you need to re-read my post, Tisha. I never said copulins are the scent of a tramp. I spoke of what you would want a man to associate the stronger scent with. Specifically, you want him to associate the strong scent with something he provoked in you. Copulins do give a signal of fertility. Heavy copulins can be a bit overwhelming and thats what youre after, BEFORE the second engagement but no earlier. Theyre also a bit intoxicating for men at higher levels. Read my post again before you judge my advice. Tater only recommends what he has tried or had others try, and generally isnt too far off. ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2008, 6:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/77 "2008-02-06T06:56:41Z")
BTW, androstenone is also best kept light by men until the engagement is underway. Heavy androstenone early is not sexual. What is an androstenone OD for a guy who is just meeting a woman, is useful once activity has begun. Timing is important. Associations are important. Also, a woman wearing too much androstenone would cancel out the EST effect. Confusion takes a phero signature sideways. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 3:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/78 "2008-02-07T03:48:11Z")
> [@](#): > > Read my post again before you judge my advice. Tater only recommends what he has tried or had others try, and generally isnt too far off. Well I read your post again and I still dont agree with it. I didnt judge your post either I just stated the facts that I have learned from wearing cops almost daily for well over a year. I suggest you read my post again because I stand by what I wrote from countless tests involving myself and many other test subjects. > [@](#): > > you would want a man to associate the stronger scent with. Specifically, you want him to associate the **strong scent** with something he provoked in you. You keep assuming men can smell it on us. Its not the smell that evokes the response its the molecule. Sure you can smell it because your conscious of what it is in the bottle but on a women after 10 to 15 minutes of dry down men just smell her natural scent. Why would a man think he provoked my fertility? Cops just dont work the way you suggest in my experience. How long have you used copulins now ? It would be nice to see some detailed reports of your findings. Prehaps we could come to a conclusion as to why you feel they do what you desribed. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2008, 4:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/79 "2008-02-07T04:07:15Z")
> [@MadisonTate](#): > > BTW, androstenone is also best kept light by men until the engagement is underway. Heavy androstenone early is not sexual. What is an androstenone OD for a guy who is just meeting a woman, is useful once activity has begun. > > Timing is important. Associations are important. > > Also, a woman wearing too much androstenone would cancel out the EST effect. Confusion takes a phero signature sideways. Ahhh Thats just my point. You cant OD on cops, you can however not use enough to evoke a response. While heavy Androstenone early is not sexual, heavy cops are. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![MadisonTate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b9e5f3/32.png) [@MadisonTate](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/MadisonTate)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2008, 7:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637/80 "2008-02-09T07:03:33Z")
Well, since my tests with copulins are second-hand from willing subjects, i wouldnt dare go against your experiences. Maybe its because ive noticed, but i seem to be able to pick up copulins rather easily. Its a scent ive picked up before but not known how to source, and i think i can pick up the natural almost as easily as the artificial. Its an earthy, thin-skinned fruit almost citrus scent but its…arid…like your nose is dry and you smell something slightly rotten or just a bit off-kilter/chemical. It makes me think of 13-year old, freckled girls for some reason. Maybe youre right and i have been sniffing this stuff too long. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637.md?page=3) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/est-puts-my-man-in-the-mood-for-love/7637.md?page=5)