# Evolver's Pherojournal **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Journals\ **Created:** [November 21, 2010, 9:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449 "2010-11-21T21:06:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2017, 12:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449/81 "2017-11-04T12:25:34Z")
> [@evolver](#): > > 2 sprays of P96 @ 12.5mcgs > > My friend went from slightly standoffish in the first 20min to “YOU SMELL SO GOOD” to curled up next to my chest saying she could fall asleep right there. Have you tried the P96 with a sexual/status blend of any kind? If not I would love to hear what happens down the road if you down, something like A314 or TUTH. It goes well with [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) to. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2017, 7:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449/82 "2017-11-12T19:45:14Z")
> [@justintime469](#): > > Have you tried the P96 with a sexual/status blend of any kind? If not I would love to hear what happens down the road if you down, something like A314 or TUTH. It goes well with Ammo to. I will try P96 with Ammo next! Interestingly enough, I tried some yesterday with MX597. I went on a friendly date with a woman to some art shows, had a lot of fun together. I had on 4 drops of MX597 and one spray of P96 @ 12.5. She came over after and we had a very long talk. I certainly felt sexual and had urges to kiss her but the vibe didn’t quite seem right. We talked about it and she said she was not interested, which is fine. It was more of a friends situation, and I have a lot of other things going on anyways, which she knew about. Despite that, I would say that where MX297 is a sexual pheromone, MX597 almost seems like a purely [social pheromone](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/). Which is kind of unfortunate, the potential of MX297 in a long release seemed so promising but to me it seems like it doesn’t have the impact of the spray that has caused so many DIHLs and LTRs. ---
**Author:** ![justintime469](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/justintime469/32/1402_2.png) [@justintime469](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/justintime469)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2017, 9:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449/83 "2017-11-13T09:03:17Z")
I have not tried the MX597 at all and have not tested the [MX297](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/mx297/) enough to comment. Have you tried the MX597 with TUTH? ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2017, 2:26pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449/84 "2017-11-14T14:26:42Z")
Interesting. As far as I know, MX297 and MX597 are the same, except on the diffusing agent used. MX297 is with [Neroli](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/androtics-neroli/), while MX597 is with Stealth. Perhaps the difference lies on MX297 being alcohol-based and the MX597 an oil? ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 9:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449/85 "2017-11-15T21:37:06Z")
> [@Dee\_A](#): > > Interesting. > > As far as I know, MX297 and MX597 are the same, except on the diffusing agent used. > > MX297 is with Neroli, while MX597 is with Stealth. > > Perhaps the difference lies on MX297 being alcohol-based and the MX597 an oil? That was my working assumption as well. I think the stealth might lower the radius of perception by others, as well. It also may release the pheromones slower. So if the ratio of pheromones wasn’t changed from 297 to 597, it would deliver less of the pheromones (although over a longer period) This certainly seems to be the case to me, and is why I feel 597 is so much subtler than 297. 597 is like ‘hmm, neat’ 297 is like ‘WOW’ ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 9:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449/86 "2017-11-15T21:37:55Z")
> [@justintime469](#): > > I have not tried the MX597 at all and have not tested the MX297 enough to comment. Have you tried the MX597 with TUTH? I don’t have any TUTH, but I have used it with Ammo. Only slight variations to the standard Ammo baseline from what I can detect. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2017, 9:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449/87 "2017-11-15T21:39:18Z")
P103 @ 5mcgs, 2 sprays prior to business meeting. I was pretty hungover, but felt comfortable. The meeting proceeded at an amiable pace, no awkward silences. People seemed to get along quite well. My colleague opened up a lot and seemed very friendly. (Results inconclusive) ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2017, 5:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449/88 "2017-11-18T05:35:02Z")
MX597 x 3 drops One spray MX351 GOOOOOOOFY. Way too goofy. Had some filming to do, was feeling okay about being on camera. Got totally flustered. Everyone around me is having an amazing time and being all silly. I’m feeling… shy? Embarrassed? Happy? Would be fun for a “night out with the lads” maybe but I really felt out of my element and not “smooth” at all. ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 7:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449/89 "2017-11-27T19:45:47Z")
MX597 4 drops 2 sprays of Ammo 1 spray of P96 (followed up by 2 other sprays through the night) Porn. Why can’t I stop talking about porn? Why is everyone else talking about Porn? Porn porn porn. The entire night I felt very confident. One girl flashed her boobs near me at a bar. All women were very welcoming of my attention. Ended up getting nice and cozy with someone back at their apartment. Isn’t that what matters? Sorry for the lack of details here - lots of drinking was involved. ---
**Author:** ![prettyrickyboi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/prettyrickyboi/32/1308_2.png) [@prettyrickyboi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/prettyrickyboi)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2017, 9:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449/90 "2017-11-27T21:58:57Z")
awesome evolver pure supercalifragilisticextrasuperdopeness. That mix sounds so boss. How old are you? ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 7:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449/91 "2017-12-07T19:03:51Z")
34! Last night I had a date, put on 3 drops of MX597 and 2 sprays of P96. Everything went very smoothly, no awkward pauses, no goofiness. Pretty relaxed. She was pretty introverted (and told me as much) so it was a little difficult to see into what she was thinking. She came home with me, as I lived close to the bar we met at and watched some comedy videos. She laughed and grabbed my arm twice, so I took that as a strong IOI and went to kiss her about 15 minutes later. Sure enough, she was very interested and opened right up. I didn’t escalate from there, and she had to go pretty early. As she left I pushed her up against the wall and she let out a bunch of little moans. Seems like she was really turned on and just hadn’t been letting on! ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 6:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449/92 "2018-01-21T18:15:06Z")
Overall I have been pretty disappointed with MX597. I ended up using it as a base/enhancer but the effect seemed extremely vague. It’s such a surprise since MX297 is one of my favorite mixes! It must come down to the delivery mechanism. A314 has such a strong and profound effect, but for some reason the oil base of MX597 really dilutes the effect of the pheromone. ---
**Author:** ![datadragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/datadragon/32/1252_2.png) [@datadragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/datadragon)\ **Post date:** [January 21, 2018, 8:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449/93 "2018-01-21T20:12:54Z")
The spray is alcohol based which is more in your face/higher impact and alcohol hits faster and further away but at the cost of some longevity. MX297 spray is 6% akuto I think which can add a little bit to results since its musky, MX597 spray is stealth and good for when you have your own quality colognes to use with it. The oil has slower diffusion then the alcohol. Because of that it will last longer but will take longer to get going then the alcohol, and stay a bit closer to the body then the alcohol. Sometimes with certain blends you may need some lotion or add an oil cologne to slow down the diffusion of a alcohol spray because when it gets too hot a mix may hit too hard and unrealistic, or the mix itself such as sexual/status mixes occasionally can be too much with it hitting high impact in your face… In other words it can cause intimidation for example for hitting so hard at once. Oil is a good choice with mixes like that, it has slower diffusion which can make it more natural and realistic, it works good with A314 for example.. Socials that you want to hit right away and further away might do better with spray, while something you want to expose during a intimate date where you will be close for hours would work well for an oil also. You can try waiting say two to three hours after application and test again, and see if results change. If so thats related to the oil taking longer. If the results are the same, and its not because its too cold which can also further slow diffusion to the point it stops working well at all, then its just that oil is slowing down the diffusion of that mix to where it doesnt have the same impact and you should use the sprays… Also oil doesnt go as far away, so you may get similar results with those closer. You can also try to mix a spray directly over the oil app point to speed up the diffusion some to see if that helps. Last thing you could try if nothing else would be to get C16H260 from cinnis labs on etsy which is cheap and use 1 spray over the app point. This ISO E SUPER will increase diffusion distance. It may add to the aphrodisiac qualities as it has pheromone properties, but also may make a mix more social so you might need to add more sexual/status in some mixes to compensate, just like when you add more IO for example it can take away from the sexual/status side… ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 5:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449/94 "2018-01-31T05:03:45Z")
> [@datadragon](#): > > The spray is alcohol based which is more in your face/higher impact and alcohol hits faster and further away but at the cost of some longevity. I’m well aware of the difference between alcohols and oils. Note I have been around for almost 10 years now 😃 I had a successful date with 4 drops of MX597. Although it started slow, the woman sat nice and cozy with me in the uber after the dinner. I knew then that she was into me so we went out for drinks and she came back to my house. She stayed over and was telling me “she was worried because she likes me too much!” I think the delivery mechanism needs some work on MX597. A314 for example is so finely tuned and delivered that it works incredibly well… I think given the change in formulation, it needs the delivery tweaked somehow on MX597. It’s experimental, so I’m not worried about getting my money back or anything. I think it just needs some work. It could be amazing with some small tweaks! ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 5:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449/95 "2018-01-31T05:07:18Z")
Attending a big work event this week, and realized I needed something special for the event. I was tempted to just run with ammo which would work great in the crowded environment, but I decided instead to make my own mix in an old tester. I wasn’t a HUGE fan of MX351, but I liked the social aspect. I had about 1/3 of a togo bottle left, so I mixed that with 1/3 ammo, [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) and MEO-EST @ 50mcgs which I have had forever. Should be interesting to say the least! I’ll test it out and if things get tooooo crazy i’ll tone it down. Drunkytime mix. ---
**Author:** ![datadragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/datadragon/32/1252_2.png) [@datadragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/datadragon)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 4:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449/96 "2018-01-31T16:00:32Z")
> [@evolver](#): > > **but for some reason the oil base of MX597 really dilutes the effect of the pheromone**. > [@evolver](#): > > I’m well aware of the difference between alcohols and oils. Note I have been around for almost 10 years now 😃 > > I think the delivery mechanism needs some work on MX597. A314 for example is so finely tuned and delivered that it works incredibly well… I think given the change in formulation, it needs the delivery tweaked somehow on MX597. It’s experimental, so I’m not worried about getting my money back or anything. I think it just needs some work. It could be amazing with some small tweaks! You answered your own question a bit above. Its the properties of oil which diffuses slower then alcohols which is what is causing the change in effects of how the pheromones hit between the two… As to the ‘delivery mechanism’ fix, if its in 6% stealth strength they can try more %. Otherwise in general, using a combination of alcohol with DPG or ethanol with propylene glycol will take advantage of the best of both worlds. A combo would make for a longer lasting product then using straight alcohol, and offer more diffusion into the air then straight oil and its benefits like increased self effects and molecule effects due to the better diffusion. Androtics and most companies already do this ‘combo’ for their alcohol products and why for example the MX297/597 spray works great 🙂. Most all companies however only chose a specific ratio like 60/40 or 75/25 or 90/10 and use that ratio for EVERY BLEND. If they had the time, I would point out to them that in certain blends that might still hit too harsh, in your face, or the feedback is that it doesnt work as well as oil, then they could further adjust the ratios to add more of the fixative DPG or PG. One vendor had switched from alcohol to silicone as a base that caused similar performance issues as silicone too is slower diffusing and would work better or worse depending on the blend. Another has blends that work better in oil sometimes but not alcohol, and could certainly fix that if they had the time to adjust the ratios… You mentioned A314, which can hit more in your face/high impact with alcohol. So in that case, the oil version helps by slowing down the diffusion or using the alcohol when higher impact and further distance is important like in a attraction or club mix perhaps… Your experience and knowledge is very helpful to all. We all can learn from each other… I learn something new it seems constantly also even after 9 years. I know you’ll remain an important part of the forum/community and should look forward to the androtics labs for enthusiasts like you. Thanks for all youve shared over the years.. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 5:31pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449/97 "2018-01-31T17:31:33Z")
> [@datadragon](#): > > You mentioned A314, which can hit more in your face/high impact with alcohol. So in that case, the oil version helps by slowing down the diffusion or using the alcohol when higher impact and further distance is important like in a attraction or club mix perhaps… I think it’s the stealth package, I bet if they made the MX597 with a scent package it would be transmitted a bit easier! Did you have another username? It says you joined this year. Glad to see your enthusiasm on these forums! ---
**Author:** ![datadragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/datadragon/32/1252_2.png) [@datadragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/datadragon)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449/98 "2018-01-31T20:38:57Z")
I did post in this thread I thought that the Akuto, being a musky scent, can be contributing some pheromone like properties to the mix effects, but that is separate from the speed of how fast the molecules hit others from the base its in. Comparing the MX597 SPRAY not oil and the MX297 spray effects would show how much the Akuto contributes since they both have the same alcohol base… The MX597 spray is in the queue to be on the way to me, but they were out of 297. With stealth of course you can choose your own cologne to use to add effects. [https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx597-vs-mx297/66947](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/mx597-vs-mx297/66947/4) And in this one discussed musks/animalics as they have pheromone like properties, and my thoughts on whether it would have any benefit using over something like androstenone in a mix. Some women due to genetics find it urinous outside of ovulation time, and younger and asian/SE asians have lower tolerance to it… Copulins work to some extent but musks are another possibility. Enone is a massive part of the success of attraction blends but so polarizing due to the cycle influence on the reaction to the scent and the genetics changing the way the scent is perceived. Thats why I have suggested also for them to make that version of the stealth scent with the fragrance neutralizers for enone as it will still give the brain effects even if the scent is below detectible levels. that [Agarscents Bazaar - #9 by Dr.Fedora](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/agarscents-bazaar/27101/9) My motto is: Some people are like clouds. When they go away, the day gets brighter. So don’t be a cloud… Is this for a background check?? Because FYI, I’ve already had a few of my buddies over at the CIA clear my dark past off the records lol… I’ve been using pheromones from quite a few companies ongoing since 2009, and have contributed to projects behind the scenes. I seem to remember most everything I read and spent a portion of my time learning reading from forums, the web, other people etc over the years. I became interested also in the hows and whys, and not just for the fun use of their effects to get laid every day or getting ahead in work… ---
**Author:** ![Dee\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7bcc69/32.png) [@Dee\_A](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Dee_A)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2018, 3:18am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449/99 "2018-02-02T03:18:51Z")
> [@evolver](#): > > I think it’s the stealth package, I bet if they made the MX597 with a scent package it would be transmitted a bit easier! MX597 with a scent diffuser is [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/). 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![evolver](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/evolver/32/1896_2.png) [@evolver](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/evolver)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2018, 6:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449/100 "2018-02-02T18:39:40Z")
> [@Dee\_A](#): > > MX597 with a scent diffuser is MX297. 🙂 Right! I would much prefer an oil with the [Akuto](https://a314.com/product-category/scented/akuto/) scent package. In other news, I lost my drunk mix, how fitting. It went okay, I think I was drinking too much to notice it. I ended up using roughly 4 sprays on top of one spray of Ammo. No crazy hits. I think it was too diffused and mixed to do much in an outdoor crowded environment. Going for MX597 4 drops with one spray of ammo and a togo of P103 to freshen up today. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449.md?page=4) [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolvers-pherojournal/43449.md?page=6)