# experienced users: Pheromones for Kino - recommendations? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 29, 2013, 4:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984 "2013-01-29T04:41:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2013, 4:41am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984/1 "2013-01-29T04:41:26Z")
I’ve always been great with IOIs, and typically women initiate kino first and from there I build and stack good. however I’m wearing a mix that gives me the results Im looking for, HOWEVER, it’s since replaced kino with ‘anticipation’ into my signature. What [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) do you think would work great for breaking that anticipation, reintroducing my kino-me vibe again? IS/molecule A is already in the mix. edit: also I should suggest, that if you want a kino mix, wear AMMO + P83 and have fun! (yes I have a kino mix, but I want ANOTHER mix to work like it, and P83 doesn’t work well with it) ---
**Author:** ![THE\_GHOST](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/the_ghost/32/1990_2.png) [@THE\_GHOST](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/THE_GHOST)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2013, 5:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984/2 "2013-01-29T05:40:20Z")
> [@examine](#): > > I’ve always been great with IOIs, and typically women initiate kino first and from there I build and stack good. however I’m wearing a mix that gives me the results Im looking for, HOWEVER, it’s since replaced kino with ‘anticipation’ into my signature. > > What pheromones do you think would work great for breaking that anticipation, reintroducing my kino-me vibe again? IS/molecule A is already in the mix. > > edit: also I should suggest, that if you want a kino mix, wear AMMO + P83 and have fun! > (yes I have a kino mix, but I want ANOTHER mix to work like it, and P83 doesn’t work well with it) A1 or TAC are both molecules that encourage kino, due to the comfort factor. ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2013, 6:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984/3 "2013-01-29T06:22:11Z")
interesting, you’re the second person to recommend A1… ---
**Author:** ![still18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@still18](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/still18)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2013, 8:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984/4 "2013-01-29T08:36:18Z")
> [@examine](#): > > I’ve always been great with IOIs, and typically women initiate kino first and from there I build and stack good. however I’m wearing a mix that gives me the results Im looking for, HOWEVER, it’s since replaced kino with ‘anticipation’ into my signature. > > What pheromones do you think would work great for breaking that anticipation, reintroducing my kino-me vibe again? IS/molecule A is already in the mix. > > edit: also I should suggest, that if you want a kino mix, wear AMMO + P83 and have fun! > (yes I have a kino mix, but I want ANOTHER mix to work like it, and P83 doesn’t work well with it) I would try TAL in 1:1 ratio with Androstenone/AMMO. 7.5mcg TAL is quite consistent. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2013, 10:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984/5 "2013-01-29T10:14:40Z")
The best straight-up kino initiator I’ve had yet was P103 - In fact it was my fallback for times of P83-drought. I used it in much the same ways at maybe 20% lower dose across the range for various mixes. The trouble is, it was maybe too good an initiator as I frequently had women handling and squeezing me like pan loaf in a baker’s, or trying to get my attention in all sorts of direct physical ways (eg throwing stuff!) - even in front of worried looking husbands/boyfriends etc, then they would visibly check themselves and pull right back - as I said, too good and I could never get something to soften/mediate the harshness of its physicality, or the god-awful cheesy-feet stench I got from it, although I never got any hint that anyone who responded to it got the smell. ☹ [MX297](https://a314.com/product/mx297/)/P75 is another pretty good one - esp with younger/Asian women, often surprisingly so. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2013, 10:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984/6 "2013-01-29T10:22:58Z")
> [@examine](#): > > interesting, you’re the second person to recommend A1… And count me as a third - A1’s comfort makes a lot of overt or high status mixes much more acceptable on a physical level - even at very low doses on its own A1 displays a very interesting range of physical effects. Its worth testing out like that just to get the hang of them. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2013, 10:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984/7 "2013-01-29T10:57:10Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > The best straight-up kino initiator I’ve had yet was P103 - In fact it was my fallback for times of P83-drought. I used it in much the same ways at maybe 20% lower dose across the range for various mixes. > > The trouble is, it was maybe too good an initiator as I frequently had women handling and squeezing me like pan loaf in a baker’s, or trying to get my attention in all sorts of direct physical ways (eg throwing stuff!) - even in front of worried looking husbands/boyfriends etc, then they would visibly check themselves and pull right back - as I said, too good and I could never get something to soften/mediate the harshness of its physicality, or the god-awful cheesy-feet stench I got from it, although I never got any hint that anyone who responded to it got the smell. ☹ > > MX297/P75 is another pretty good one - esp with younger/Asian women, often surprisingly so. I had a chance to use what I thought was about 30 mcg P103 with 2.5 of [P75](https://a314.com/product/p75/). Really crushy; somewhat like P75 with P83 or IO +IH, but with much more empathy and emotion. Since 103 is not available, my order for P74 will go in the next day or two. We then move on to testing that with P75. ---
**Author:** ![GetTheEdge](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gettheedge/32/1555_2.png) [@GetTheEdge](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/GetTheEdge)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2013, 7:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984/8 "2013-01-31T19:59:08Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > The best straight-up kino initiator I’ve had yet was P103 - In fact it was my fallback for times of P83-drought. I used it in much the same ways at maybe 20% lower dose across the range for various mixes. > > The trouble is, it was maybe too good an initiator as I frequently had women handling and squeezing me like pan loaf in a baker’s, or trying to get my attention in all sorts of direct physical ways (eg throwing stuff!) - even in front of worried looking husbands/boyfriends etc, then they would visibly check themselves and pull right back - as I said, too good and I could never get something to soften/mediate the harshness of its physicality, or the god-awful cheesy-feet stench I got from it, although I never got any hint that anyone who responded to it got the smell. ☹ > > MX297/P75 is another pretty good one - esp with younger/Asian women, often surprisingly so. I might have to try adding some P103 to my mix if I’m trying to get women to jump me heh ---
**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2013, 11:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984/9 "2013-01-31T23:08:33Z")
I hear it smells really bad tho… plus there’s no more.. ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 10:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984/10 "2013-03-25T10:02:43Z")
I should point out as someone who takes medicine for depression and anxiety that A1 did make me more prone to depressive thoughts. Keep this in mind if you do have a similar problem. Otherwise I agree its a comfort mone. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 10:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984/11 "2013-03-25T10:17:19Z")
> [@monesmadedoit](#): > > I had a chance to use what I thought was about 30 mcg P103 with 2.5 of P75. Really crushy; I must say that I’ve never associated P103 (or [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) for that matter) with any kind of “Crush” vibe - IMO, people tend to confuse the relaxation/disinhibition/space-closing/feelings-releasing qualities of either to a “crush” or some kind of yearning but instead, the effects are far more immediate and do not carry-over and build on subsequent exposures like a full-on crush phero/mix. Another thing is that these are often used as secondaries alongside more established crush/fallout pheros/combinations and thise effects are being attributed erroneously. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 5:01pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984/12 "2013-03-25T17:01:49Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I must say that I’ve never associated P103 (or P83 for that matter) with any kind of “Crush” vibe - IMO, people tend to confuse the relaxation/disinhibition/space-closing/feelings-releasing qualities of either to a “crush” or some kind of yearning but instead, the effects are far more immediate and do not carry-over and build on subsequent exposures like a full-on crush phero/mix. > > Another thing is that these are often used as secondaries alongside more established crush/fallout pheros/combinations and thise effects are being attributed erroneously. Crushy isn’t my ideal adjective. Th effect of 74/IH over time for me is a lingering mental memory. 103, I don’t think, did this. It did make for a follower effect. Maybe more stalker (in a nice way) than crush. More physical, like [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/). I’m not sure what effect 103 had within the mind of targets, but it’s not like 74 or IH at all. 103 is rarely in stock and, 83’s stocks haven’t been the best of late. But, 83 is a really great space reducer. 74 and IH truly do add to the boyfriend effect, but the very beta nature of the stuff forced me to go heavy duty with 75 last week. I’ve no 103 or 83 at all at present. I’m going in for one more shot at fallout exposure, then leaving it off for the sake of NONE/75 and perhaps TAC. Leaving the socials off for now. Not enough date frequency with preferred girl for A314 or fallout benefits. Revisiting attraction/ P/U. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 5:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984/13 "2013-03-25T17:47:17Z")
Yes, for longlasting/repeating effects, IH/P74 is far better but to keep it from falling into nonsexual (I won’t say beta, that part is up to you) territory, I keep the P74 as low as I can and nearly always pair it with some pretty overt none &/or something like P75. I’ve always found P103’s effect to hard-hitting, rapid and short-acting, with the subjects adjusting/overcoming it quickly - Wheras [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) was slower hitting/building but would last a lot longer, till the kino momentum was rolling all by itself, or you were at it like rabbits! My next intention was to see if I could balance P103/P83 in an overt mix to see if I could get the rapid onset of the P103 and sustain it with the longevity of P83 but then the supplies of P103 dried-up, P83 began fluctuating and my foot trouble well and truly screwed things-up health-wise. I was interested to see P103 being issued for testing recently, nearly two years after it vanished from the store, which makes me wonder if it might be making an appearance as a regular item again soon? I still have a good amount of P103 left and hopefully my wait for surgery will be over sooner rather than later now, so I can get going on all these ideas in the right environments again! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![still18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@still18](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/still18)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984/14 "2013-03-25T17:50:27Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I’ve always found P103’s effect to hard-hitting, rapid and short-acting, with the subjects adjusting/overcoming it rapidly - Wheras P83 was slower hitting/building but would last a lot longer, till the lino momentum was rolling all by itself, or you were at it like rabbits! > > My next intention was to see if I could balance P103/P83 in an overt mix to see if I could get the rapid onset of the P103 and sustain it with the longevity of P83 but then the supplies of P103 dried-up, P83 began fluctuating and my foot trouble well and truly screwed things-up health-wise. I’ve had the exact same experience, with Androstenone, a P103/[P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) combo can become quite animalistic. I’ve had consistent results with 30mcg each. I’m using P102 now but it’s not the same ☹ ---
**Author:** ![pherosloth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f04885/32.png) [@pherosloth](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pherosloth)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2015, 5:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984/15 "2015-04-24T05:11:22Z")
> [@examine](#): > > What pheromones do you think would work great for breaking that anticipation, reintroducing my kino-me vibe again? IS/molecule A is already in the mix. Is IS and molecule A the only two things mixed for this reaction? And as for 103, what would be the best thing to mix it with, status or sexual mones? Also, at what microgram dose did you experi3nce the beginning of kino? Is there an OD limit? pherosloth ---
**Author:** ![Felex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/felex/32/1096_2.png) [@Felex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Felex)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 12:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984/16 "2015-04-26T00:47:24Z")
Last year I was working as a dish washer at a restaurant. The majority of workers were females ranging from 20 - 45 year old. It was a pretty sexual environment. But the most kino I have ever gotten was with p83. I usually wore Ij combo with p83 or ammo but the hits were pretty consistent. This one firey mexican cutie that I though was about 29ish ended up being 38. anyway on about 6-10 occasion I have rubbed my dick on her ass passing thru tight spaces, she has rubbed her ass on my dick as well. I few times I had a semi 😛. For some reason when this chick was around long enough(2 min or more) my dick would go hard. seriously. One time she was in this small space and I said “excuse me”, so I could pass ,but this time instead of moving she just leaned foward, and gave me the green light. we rubbed really hard. other times we both just passed real quick but no doubt a lot of dick and ass rubbing. This has happen with with 2 other girls about 24-29 ish. but not as often. Also the first girl, I remeber the first day I tried p83 thier was this bucket of wet rags by feet. Instead of asking me to move she just crouched for about 10 seconds, and I swear her face was about 3 inches from my crotch. Thier was so much tension that I felt uncomfotable And I wanted to move but I didnt. I know it was the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/), and the hits weren’t as obvious with ammo ---
**Author:** ![pherosloth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f04885/32.png) [@pherosloth](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pherosloth)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 1:19am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984/17 "2015-04-26T01:19:58Z")
> Felex > I know it was the P83, and the hits weren’t as obvious with ammo is Steve’s p83 as good a quality as Chris? Since Chris doesn’t sell p83 anymore, i was going to substitute for it with p103, but moneranger (bless her soul ) linked me to the p83 that Steve is selling, should i go for it or nab Chris’ p103? ---
**Author:** ![Felex](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/felex/32/1096_2.png) [@Felex](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Felex)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 1:23am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984/18 "2015-04-26T01:23:46Z")
I’ve never messed with p103. I might sell my p83 tho, its too ---
**Author:** ![pherosloth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f04885/32.png) [@pherosloth](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/pherosloth)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 2:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984/19 "2015-04-26T02:01:20Z")
Hmmm, from what i read, 103 is the same as p83 in terms of the physical effects. Both seem to have disinhibiting effects and both seek to increase moods from negative to positive. I may go for Steve’s p83 and try it out. Then again i may go for TAA, or p74, but i really want that TAC too! ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 4:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984/20 "2015-04-26T04:32:09Z")
> [@pherosloth](#): > > Hmmm, from what i read, 103 is the same as p83 in terms of the physical effects. No, P103 is not the same - Its much harsher/more sudden in effect. And that’s often not as good as it sounds. [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experienced-users-pheromones-for-kino-recommendations/57984.md?page=2)