# Experimenting with P81 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 17, 2009, 1:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimenting-with-p81/34901 "2009-12-17T01:58:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 1:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimenting-with-p81/34901/1 "2009-12-17T01:58:21Z")
I have been experimenting with P81 on and off for about a year and a half now. I haven’t written much about it because, frankly, I did not much like it at first. Here is [one of my early observations](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-in-p99-and-p81/12439/11): > [@Warren](#): > > P81. My first application of this was between 50 and 100mcg (sputtering initial spray phenomena). It was slightly energizing. Things appeared more three dimensional before my eyes. I liked this at first, but over the next half hour reality just seemed to take on cold, hard edge. I sprayed 30mcg of P86 to see if that would warm things up, but paradoxically, it had the opposite effect. I turned on the late night talk shows. I usually find Craig Ferguson amusing. He keeps me watching long after I’d intended to go to bed. But on this occasion he was just annoying. Nothing humorous about P81 it seems. **P81 and aggression** I have been experimenting recently with P81 in the 20-40mcg range. [Elsewhere](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-improvement-w-p86-sensuality-mix/15812) I have used P81 at 2.5mcg to add a bit of focus & depth to a softer formula, but a more complete dose of P81 used alone or with other [pheromones](https://a314.com/) has a very different and profound effect on one’s personality and perceptions. It creates a big picture, whole body, sense-of-flow experience. Some pheromones will encourage a person to look at faces or tune into sensual warmth. P81, by contrast, encourages me to look at how another’s body as a whole moves through three dimensional space, how it flows. It can give me a sense of being a predator. I feel like a tiger stalking its prey. Much interest in pheromones is focused on the social or the sexual, but that is only a small part of what is possible. I believe P81’s main thrust is more competitive, even dominating, than loving. In [one thread](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p81-self-test-75mcg/33922/3), Six and I had the following exchange: > [@Warren](#): > > Sometimes there’s an almost sadistic – sometimes reptilian – quality to P81. > [@Six](#): > > Thank-you Warren. I was almost hesitant to put those in there. I didn’t want to impart those feelings too much in writing, but a sadistic power nature was definitely felt… not something I am apt to exploring, (or maybe revealing?)… was a bit confused… so I may have pushed it aside. Needs further exploration for me, in different settings. I suspect the best uses of P81 might be in the field of atheletic competition, perhaps even video gaming. On [the sports thread](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sports-phero-thread/34172/3) I wrote: > [@](#): > > I persuaded a video game affectionado to try it and his conclusion was that it made him too aggressive where he needed more focus and forethought. It might need to be mixed with something to get that focus. I believe P81 directs one’s attention away from facial expressions and such and toward what might be called athletic moves. At the gym, P81 does make me push a little harder with the weights. Consistent with the video gamer’s experience, I find that P81 used at doses of 10mcg or higher makes me very irritable and impatient. There are other pheromones, which mixed with P81, eliminate the irritability and impulsiveness. So far, I have discovered that P75, P82 and P89 work well in this regard. **Is P81 Instant Viagra?** Ladyofthewoods began a [thread where she holds out great hope for P81’s ability to make men horny](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pushing-someone-over-the-edge-with-p81-p83/34493). As of this writing, she has received her P81 but hasn’t had the opportunity to do the test. But I’m gonna tell you what I found. I believe the rumor began with [this post](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/random-tests-mx302-meo-est-p81/33075): > [@jayarea](#): > > 1s p81 @ 25 mcg > i applied this about 10 minutes before class. class is 80 minutes long. i spent about 70 minutes with an erection. seriously. > > this is like a female version of tuth. my text messages to sarah were extremely explicit, so explicit that i had to keep my phone low to the chair between my legs so nobody could read the screen whereas normally i text holding the phone near the desk. sarah noticed this too and said something to the extent of “wow, you’re feeling really good tonight huh?” > > it didn’t stop there. well, sort of. i “relaxed” a bit because i went to the gym after class and having a bulge in your pants seriously hinders your performance. as soon as i got home, maybe in the car a few minutes away, it came back, along with all those dirty thoughts. i tried to stow it away for bed and woke up with some pent-up sexual frustration. > > this one deserves another test, this time with sarah around in case i get the same results. So far I am not aware of any follow up on this by Jayarea. [Snoopyace confirms an Instant Viagra effect](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pushing-someone-over-the-edge-with-p81-p83/34493) with a P81, P75 combination. Catlord and I have not had experiences with P81 that would have us attribute causality to P81 for spontaneous erections, though we do seem to agree that wearing[P81 is not incompatible with arousal](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pushing-someone-over-the-edge-with-p81-p83/34493/14). I, also, do not find this effect with a P81, P83 combination or a P81, P75 combination. I am sure, however, that all returns are not yet in. Here’s what I think may be happening. Let’s pretend we’re in a strip club. The second reason for that is to make a point about P81 by imagining the undulations of an experienced pole dancer, not the herky-jerky contortions of Ms. Speedfreak on amateur night, but the full body swaying of a lady with a couple of years experience, who has learned how to get the most sensuality from a few efficient moves. In explicating _Bioenergetics_, Alexander Lowen compared human sexual function with a violin string. These smooth movements of the major muscle groups are what P81 seems to tune our perceptions to. The cowen without exotic dance experience are, in the presence of P81, still perceived with heightened awareness of whatever graceful sway their gait beholds. Those men with sufficient youth or pent up libido might very understandably experience the aforementioned physiological response. Another aspect of the inquiry is that different people’s sexuality is mixed with differing amounts of aggression. P81 is a pretty aggressive pheromone. [In multiple posts, within the context of evolutionary psychology](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolutionary-psychology-rone-men-and-none-men/19/22), Michael Harris has written some of the better descriptions of the androsteNone vs. the androsteRone man. I should think that P81 is closer to androsteNone sexuality. My further experiments with P81 mixes have had some success. Combining P81 with P82 does definitely seem to lower the arousal threshold for myself. Here are my findings in table form: P81 alone - no effect, irritable P81 with P75 - no effect P81 with P83 - no effect P81 with P89 - no effect P81 with P98 - no effect P81 with P82 - some effect P81, P82, P83 - similar to P81 & P82 P81, P82, P98 - less effect than P81 & P82 P81, P82, P83, P98 - Strongest effect! I don’t know if these results will stand the test of time, but these are the self-effects I have experienced over the past couple of weeks, since[the infamous Ladyofthewoods thread.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pushing-someone-over-the-edge-with-p81-p83/34493) **Mixes using P81** [ I have found that about 8.3mcg P81 in the mid afternoon gives me the little boost I sometimes need about then. More than that causes irritability. To feel the full effects of P81 I have found that about 20mcg is needed. For this reason I expect P81 is going to be most useful mixed with other pheromones. I have found several which balance it and remove the irritability. [Tacitus wrote about P81 and P89](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-novel-p81-p89-experience/1705)three years ago: > [@A novel P81/P89 experience](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-novel-p81-p89-experience/1705/1): > > I added these two in to my standard sexmix brew… noticed something both cool and unusual… aside from the expected great sex… we sort of entered “old settled relationship mode” with a feeling of having been with each other and coexisted through thick and thin for ages… now, granted, I’ve known this girl for a good six or seven years but we’ve never been together in an LTR mode… although we have always had good rapport, never any major disagreements… she’s part native american, 50%… and I know Amerind girls… and they aren’t exactly simple creatures, media fantasies about dancing with wolves or dancing with with primal energies notwithstanding… so I dose up with this (by now) pretty damn complex pheromone mix, and I’ve never given it a shot with either P81 or P89 so I think, what the heck, let’s take this for a spin… so we’re nekkidly nude, hanging out, greasing each other up, and yes, getting aroused (like, doh) but also shooting the breeze, a sitting around on the porch on a June evening mood, very solid, grounded… she even felt physically very solid to my hands, almost like we were made of old pieces of wood or something, and we’re having this really good, solid, muscular, earth sex then hanging out, with this solid sense of being with each other… almost the diametric opposite of the dilated eye, spacey romance of alpha-nol, a wholly different sort of connectedness… to which I’m thinking… hmmmm… yeah… there a lot of women who badly need this firm footed grounded mood to rest their emotive states of mind… especially when you have the estratatraenol/P74/alpha-nol pink cloud of love goddess thing turned loose… When I read Tacitus’ report, I knew it wasn’t the irritating P81 that caused the “old settled relationship mode” so ( [P89 and P81, An Observation](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p89-and-p81-an-observation/25046) ) . > [@Warren](#): > > I tried adding P89 to my own [sensuality mix](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-improvement-w-p86-sensuality-mix/15812) to see what the self effects woud be like. It seemed to distract from sensuality. Maybe I like “spacey romance” and “pink clouds” too much. I don’t plan to pursue that application of P89. I also noticed some subtle visual effects. It seemed to increase tunnel vision (or, at least, decrease peripheral awareness) and increase contrast. _Having had the opportunity to use P81 and P89 together, however, I am amazed at how well they balance each other. P89 removes the irritability from P81. P81 energizes P89 in a way that maintains the improved focus but without the sense of tunnel vision. I was actually surprised at how my peripheral vision seemed enhanced in a manner that allowed me to work as a team with all the people, all around me, all at once._ _I found that people were helpful and cheerful. It seemed to work well with A314, but even without the A314 I was unusually confident and effective with people. I was continually surprised at how unflappable I was. I expected to be irritable from the P81, but quite to the contrary, I constantly missed opportunities to become annoyed. Unlike P81 alone, it definitely had a sense of humor._ _So far, it seems equal amounts of P81 and P89 work best together. I want to try a number of different applications based on a mix of P81 and P89. Other combinations that seem to have potential are P81 with P75 and P81 with P82._ ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 2:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimenting-with-p81/34901/2 "2009-12-17T02:55:34Z")
checking in, very nice and detailed findings. i apologize for the lack of a followup. p81 unfortunately got pushed down the totem pole by bigger guns that i wanted to test within the few days i had with seeing my gf. i’ll see her again in a few days and it’s already been noted to bring along p81. as a standalone test, i just put on 1s @ 25 mcg. even before noticing any self effects, the scent alone proves to be very sexual. i think this is a characteristic of akuto mixed with the proper pheros. i often get this feeling from game scent too. ---
**Author:** ![Six](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@Six](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Six)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 7:17am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimenting-with-p81/34901/3 "2009-12-17T07:17:01Z")
Nice observations Warren, and awesome that you stuck with it so long. I knew there was SOMETHING to this… and it’s really funny you hit on a possible competitive edge to it. I have a scrap of paper lying on my desk from about a week ago that I apparently wrote “P81 + TAF?” as a starting point to a “combat mix”, as in literally, soldiers. But I like how you moderated the aggression out of it. Now it becomes steerable… add TAF and [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/), if your into S&M and perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 10:30pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimenting-with-p81/34901/4 "2009-12-17T22:30:42Z")
> [@jayarea](#): > > checking in, very nice and detailed findings. > > i apologize for the lack of a followup. p81 unfortunately got pushed down the totem pole by bigger guns that i wanted to test within the few days i had with seeing my gf. i’ll see her again in a few days and it’s already been noted to bring along p81. > > as a standalone test, i just put on 1s @ 25 mcg. even before noticing any self effects, the scent alone proves to be very sexual. i think this is a characteristic of akuto mixed with the proper pheros. i often get this feeling from game scent too. conclusion from this test: definitely a sensual feeling. not intense like before, but i think the lack of texting affected that. this time it was a smooth sexy feeling, like pillow talk or whispering things in class. again, noted to test with sarah soon. i found much better results from pairing it with p126 as you can read here: [p126 pseudojournal](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p126-pseudojournal/34377) ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 10:32pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimenting-with-p81/34901/5 "2009-12-17T22:32:26Z")
oddly enough i don’t get the aggression/competition factor from p81. maybe my default dose of 25 mcg is too high for that? ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2009, 4:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimenting-with-p81/34901/6 "2009-12-18T04:35:50Z")
No, Jayarea, I’d say 25mcg is right in the range where I find the aggressive qualities. Interesting… Are you wearing anything else (pheromone wise) with it? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2009, 3:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimenting-with-p81/34901/7 "2009-12-20T03:44:13Z")
> [@Warren](#): > > No, Jayarea, I’d say 25mcg is right in the range where I find the aggressive qualities. > > Interesting… Are you wearing anything else (pheromone wise) with it? > > Thanks. nothing, just p81 solo. i might see how an “aggressive” spirit can come into play in regards to being sexually charged and having a strong urge to get at something, but in terms of general/usual aggressive, i experience none. ---
**Author:** ![jayarea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/48db29/32.png) [@jayarea](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jayarea)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2009, 3:15am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimenting-with-p81/34901/8 "2009-12-28T03:15:56Z")
**it is sexual, but not inherently** the title says it all. p81 does lead to incredible sex, but you have to steer it that way. let us review… test 1 1s p81 @ 25 mcg right before hopping into bed sarah was staying at her parents’ house and i went to visit her there. the guest room is adjacent to the master bedroom so anytime we wanted to do anything, we’d have to set up some background cover noise. our go-to option was always a movie. we could pick one and actually watch it for however long, then take a break during a boring part, and maybe catch the end. since i knew i had a guaranteed 60+ minutes of being next to her, i sprayed p81 right before getting into bed with her as a baseline. i started out by doing nothing. as a result, nothing happened. i was propped up on my pillow and she was propped up on hers. there was no urge to merge or anything remotely sexual. about 15 minutes into the movie i kicked it into high gear with kisses everywhere and roaming hands. the first thing i noticed was that she responded quicker than she would’ve without p81. it was like p81 took whatever i did and added some oomph, sort of like p83. normally there’s a period of a few minutes where we’ll just play around and she might even push me away playfully to tease me. no such thing with p81. we were very into it and the vibe just kept growing faster. the second thing i noticed was the quality of our o-vibes. i usually start by taking care of her. it’s not a routine, but i enjoy taking care of her and it gets her engine revved up, which in turn works out well for me in the end. her trip to the stars was stronger than without p81, probably one of the strongest she’s ever had in our time together. she quivered violently for about 30 seconds, so much so that i had to hold her body tight to mine so she could brace and stabilize herself. though i might hope, i certainly didn’t magically get exponentially better at taking care of her. lastly i went to test the erection properties that i noted before. it was not as present as the one time quoted by warren earlier in this thread. however, i did notice something else – a complete and utter bypass of time. the guest room had a bright digital clock next to the bed. i made a mental note of when i started firing up the engine, when i started and finished taking care of her, and when we started working together. when we finished, it was about 45-50 minutes later. unfortunately i cannot recall the specific phero but i have experienced this before. to clarify, it’s not like i was some sex god working away for 45 minutes straight. we just got lost in each other and thus prolonged our time together. a few position changes, some slow and fast parts, and voila, it was 45 minutes later. does this relate to the erection property? a little, i think. _something_ had to keep me going all that time. we’ve lost track of time before but not nearly as long as this. test 2 1s p81 @ 25 mcg start of the day a more boring, but necessary, test. sprayed it before spending the day together and for the duration of the test (5ish hours), i did nothing sexual. yes, this was very hard. no touches, no special kisses, nothing. just general couple stuff. my baseline here was ammo or tuth or anything blatantly sexual. with those products, she’ll come onto me or will react more to even a simple kiss. with p81, that was not the case. it was still general couple stuff. no negative effects. however, this confirmed that if i didn’t do anything sexual, nothing sexual would result. test 3 1s p81 @ 25 mcg, layered on from test 2 right before hopping into bed again, a movie and cuddling. same results as test 1. there is no set scale for measuring o-vibes so i couldn’t tell if an increased dose helped things, but it certainly didn’t hurt. still stronger vibes than without p81. **future testing** p81 with a sexual phero. i know p83 with a sexual phero leads to very good things. maybe p81 will do the same? ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2009, 8:06pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimenting-with-p81/34901/9 "2009-12-29T20:06:57Z")
Jayarea, it is interesting that you have a fairly different experience with P81 than Six and I do – probably personality differences. It sounds like you’re planing to continue testing with P81. If I may make a suggestion… My experience with P81 and P89 created quite an interesting state, and [Tacitus’ description of sex](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p81-with-p89-more-novel-experiences/35301) on P81 and P89 is quite intriguing. If you take the opportunity to _try P81 and P89 together_ (in roughly equal amounts), I’d love to hear about it! * * * \*\* While I’m writing, lemme also document that additional experiments with this combination > [@](#): > > P81, P82 , P83 , P98 - Strongest effect! seem to indicate that the following doses are approaching the optimal, for me, at least: P81 - 15mcg P82 - 50mcg P83 - 10mcg P98 - 15mcg It is the elevated dose of P82 which seems critical. P89 (15mcg) and [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/) (4x) also appear to enhance the mix. ---
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2010, 10:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimenting-with-p81/34901/10 "2010-03-01T22:08:42Z")
For the sake of closure, ladyofthewods seems to have found success with the P81 & [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) combination: > [@ladyofthewoods](#): > > Well, P81 is definitely an erection-maker!(20 mcg added to the brew) Last Saturday at the gig got hugged from behind between the 1st & 2nd set & there it was hitting me in the ass. He was a little embarrassed when he realized that I felt it, so I did the only thing I could do to let him know that I was quite alright with it. I grabbed him, pulled him close to me & stuck my tongue down his throat 🙂 He responded very well.