# Experimenting with P81 **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [December 17, 2009, 1:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimenting-with-p81/34901 "2009-12-17T01:58:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 1
**Author:** ![Warren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/97f17d/32.png) [@Warren](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Warren)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2009, 1:58am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimenting-with-p81/34901/1 "2009-12-17T01:58:21Z")
I have been experimenting with P81 on and off for about a year and a half now. I haven’t written much about it because, frankly, I did not much like it at first. Here is [one of my early observations](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/whats-in-p99-and-p81/12439/11): > [@Warren](#): > > P81. My first application of this was between 50 and 100mcg (sputtering initial spray phenomena). It was slightly energizing. Things appeared more three dimensional before my eyes. I liked this at first, but over the next half hour reality just seemed to take on cold, hard edge. I sprayed 30mcg of P86 to see if that would warm things up, but paradoxically, it had the opposite effect. I turned on the late night talk shows. I usually find Craig Ferguson amusing. He keeps me watching long after I’d intended to go to bed. But on this occasion he was just annoying. Nothing humorous about P81 it seems. **P81 and aggression** I have been experimenting recently with P81 in the 20-40mcg range. [Elsewhere](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-improvement-w-p86-sensuality-mix/15812) I have used P81 at 2.5mcg to add a bit of focus & depth to a softer formula, but a more complete dose of P81 used alone or with other [pheromones](https://a314.com/) has a very different and profound effect on one’s personality and perceptions. It creates a big picture, whole body, sense-of-flow experience. Some pheromones will encourage a person to look at faces or tune into sensual warmth. P81, by contrast, encourages me to look at how another’s body as a whole moves through three dimensional space, how it flows. It can give me a sense of being a predator. I feel like a tiger stalking its prey. Much interest in pheromones is focused on the social or the sexual, but that is only a small part of what is possible. I believe P81’s main thrust is more competitive, even dominating, than loving. In [one thread](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p81-self-test-75mcg/33922/3), Six and I had the following exchange: > [@Warren](#): > > Sometimes there’s an almost sadistic – sometimes reptilian – quality to P81. > [@Six](#): > > Thank-you Warren. I was almost hesitant to put those in there. I didn’t want to impart those feelings too much in writing, but a sadistic power nature was definitely felt… not something I am apt to exploring, (or maybe revealing?)… was a bit confused… so I may have pushed it aside. Needs further exploration for me, in different settings. I suspect the best uses of P81 might be in the field of atheletic competition, perhaps even video gaming. On [the sports thread](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/sports-phero-thread/34172/3) I wrote: > [@](#): > > I persuaded a video game affectionado to try it and his conclusion was that it made him too aggressive where he needed more focus and forethought. It might need to be mixed with something to get that focus. I believe P81 directs one’s attention away from facial expressions and such and toward what might be called athletic moves. At the gym, P81 does make me push a little harder with the weights. Consistent with the video gamer’s experience, I find that P81 used at doses of 10mcg or higher makes me very irritable and impatient. There are other pheromones, which mixed with P81, eliminate the irritability and impulsiveness. So far, I have discovered that P75, P82 and P89 work well in this regard. **Is P81 Instant Viagra?** Ladyofthewoods began a [thread where she holds out great hope for P81’s ability to make men horny](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pushing-someone-over-the-edge-with-p81-p83/34493). As of this writing, she has received her P81 but hasn’t had the opportunity to do the test. But I’m gonna tell you what I found. I believe the rumor began with [this post](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/random-tests-mx302-meo-est-p81/33075): > [@jayarea](#): > > 1s p81 @ 25 mcg > i applied this about 10 minutes before class. class is 80 minutes long. i spent about 70 minutes with an erection. seriously. > > this is like a female version of tuth. my text messages to sarah were extremely explicit, so explicit that i had to keep my phone low to the chair between my legs so nobody could read the screen whereas normally i text holding the phone near the desk. sarah noticed this too and said something to the extent of “wow, you’re feeling really good tonight huh?” > > it didn’t stop there. well, sort of. i “relaxed” a bit because i went to the gym after class and having a bulge in your pants seriously hinders your performance. as soon as i got home, maybe in the car a few minutes away, it came back, along with all those dirty thoughts. i tried to stow it away for bed and woke up with some pent-up sexual frustration. > > this one deserves another test, this time with sarah around in case i get the same results. So far I am not aware of any follow up on this by Jayarea. [Snoopyace confirms an Instant Viagra effect](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pushing-someone-over-the-edge-with-p81-p83/34493) with a P81, P75 combination. Catlord and I have not had experiences with P81 that would have us attribute causality to P81 for spontaneous erections, though we do seem to agree that wearing[P81 is not incompatible with arousal](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pushing-someone-over-the-edge-with-p81-p83/34493/14). I, also, do not find this effect with a P81, P83 combination or a P81, P75 combination. I am sure, however, that all returns are not yet in. Here’s what I think may be happening. Let’s pretend we’re in a strip club. The second reason for that is to make a point about P81 by imagining the undulations of an experienced pole dancer, not the herky-jerky contortions of Ms. Speedfreak on amateur night, but the full body swaying of a lady with a couple of years experience, who has learned how to get the most sensuality from a few efficient moves. In explicating _Bioenergetics_, Alexander Lowen compared human sexual function with a violin string. These smooth movements of the major muscle groups are what P81 seems to tune our perceptions to. The cowen without exotic dance experience are, in the presence of P81, still perceived with heightened awareness of whatever graceful sway their gait beholds. Those men with sufficient youth or pent up libido might very understandably experience the aforementioned physiological response. Another aspect of the inquiry is that different people’s sexuality is mixed with differing amounts of aggression. P81 is a pretty aggressive pheromone. [In multiple posts, within the context of evolutionary psychology](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/evolutionary-psychology-rone-men-and-none-men/19/22), Michael Harris has written some of the better descriptions of the androsteNone vs. the androsteRone man. I should think that P81 is closer to androsteNone sexuality. My further experiments with P81 mixes have had some success. Combining P81 with P82 does definitely seem to lower the arousal threshold for myself. Here are my findings in table form: P81 alone - no effect, irritable P81 with P75 - no effect P81 with P83 - no effect P81 with P89 - no effect P81 with P98 - no effect P81 with P82 - some effect P81, P82, P83 - similar to P81 & P82 P81, P82, P98 - less effect than P81 & P82 P81, P82, P83, P98 - Strongest effect! I don’t know if these results will stand the test of time, but these are the self-effects I have experienced over the past couple of weeks, since[the infamous Ladyofthewoods thread.](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/pushing-someone-over-the-edge-with-p81-p83/34493) **Mixes using P81** [ I have found that about 8.3mcg P81 in the mid afternoon gives me the little boost I sometimes need about then. More than that causes irritability. To feel the full effects of P81 I have found that about 20mcg is needed. For this reason I expect P81 is going to be most useful mixed with other pheromones. I have found several which balance it and remove the irritability. [Tacitus wrote about P81 and P89](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-novel-p81-p89-experience/1705)three years ago: > [@A novel P81/P89 experience](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a-novel-p81-p89-experience/1705/1): > > I added these two in to my standard sexmix brew… noticed something both cool and unusual… aside from the expected great sex… we sort of entered “old settled relationship mode” with a feeling of having been with each other and coexisted through thick and thin for ages… now, granted, I’ve known this girl for a good six or seven years but we’ve never been together in an LTR mode… although we have always had good rapport, never any major disagreements… she’s part native american, 50%… and I know Amerind girls… and they aren’t exactly simple creatures, media fantasies about dancing with wolves or dancing with with primal energies notwithstanding… so I dose up with this (by now) pretty damn complex pheromone mix, and I’ve never given it a shot with either P81 or P89 so I think, what the heck, let’s take this for a spin… so we’re nekkidly nude, hanging out, greasing each other up, and yes, getting aroused (like, doh) but also shooting the breeze, a sitting around on the porch on a June evening mood, very solid, grounded… she even felt physically very solid to my hands, almost like we were made of old pieces of wood or something, and we’re having this really good, solid, muscular, earth sex then hanging out, with this solid sense of being with each other… almost the diametric opposite of the dilated eye, spacey romance of alpha-nol, a wholly different sort of connectedness… to which I’m thinking… hmmmm… yeah… there a lot of women who badly need this firm footed grounded mood to rest their emotive states of mind… especially when you have the estratatraenol/P74/alpha-nol pink cloud of love goddess thing turned loose… When I read Tacitus’ report, I knew it wasn’t the irritating P81 that caused the “old settled relationship mode” so ( [P89 and P81, An Observation](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/p89-and-p81-an-observation/25046) ) . > [@Warren](#): > > I tried adding P89 to my own [sensuality mix](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/self-improvement-w-p86-sensuality-mix/15812) to see what the self effects woud be like. It seemed to distract from sensuality. Maybe I like “spacey romance” and “pink clouds” too much. I don’t plan to pursue that application of P89. I also noticed some subtle visual effects. It seemed to increase tunnel vision (or, at least, decrease peripheral awareness) and increase contrast. _Having had the opportunity to use P81 and P89 together, however, I am amazed at how well they balance each other. P89 removes the irritability from P81. P81 energizes P89 in a way that maintains the improved focus but without the sense of tunnel vision. I was actually surprised at how my peripheral vision seemed enhanced in a manner that allowed me to work as a team with all the people, all around me, all at once._ _I found that people were helpful and cheerful. It seemed to work well with A314, but even without the A314 I was unusually confident and effective with people. I was continually surprised at how unflappable I was. I expected to be irritable from the P81, but quite to the contrary, I constantly missed opportunities to become annoyed. Unlike P81 alone, it definitely had a sense of humor._ _So far, it seems equal amounts of P81 and P89 work best together. I want to try a number of different applications based on a mix of P81 and P89. Other combinations that seem to have potential are P81 with P75 and P81 with P82._ --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimenting-with-p81/34901)._