# Experimone & Putative Mixs Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 16, 2007, 10:47am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimone-putative-mixs-thread/3694 "2007-05-16T10:47:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 18
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2007, 8:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimone-putative-mixs-thread/3694/18 "2007-05-19T08:20:19Z")
> [@Gegogi](#): > > I’ve been playing with this TAF for the past 5 or 6 weeks and noticed somewhat different qualities. First, I mainly wore it around other musicians during rehearsals or during personal practice. I seem to need a pretty high dose to notice anything at all, at least 6 sprays. Unlike other products I have worn, it appears to have little or no effect on those around me, defeating the main reason to wear it. > > As a well trained artist, it is my job to be all about detail. I have a nearly unshakable concentration in the practice room and on stage. And I can usually turn on the focus like a lightswitch in nearly any emotional state. Nevertheless, each time I wore TAF I struggled with focus and concentration. Like most products, I assume I’d get used to it and build a tolerance but TAF is definitely something to avoid for creative pursuits or anything requiring concentration. Geg, as a musician you really could try out TAA (the primary molecule in Instant Shine) and/or [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/). Here is what I have on them… [What Works: writing and creativity - #3 by Jasmin](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-works-writing-and-creativity/2513/3) Jasmin (15 March 2007): “…[TAA](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/)/Shine - Increases expressiveness. I spray it on guitar players and listen to god come out of their fingers. The kind of look in awe at themselves at how effortless the whole process is…” > [@1 week of p83](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-week-of-p83/1928/10): > > Pure pheromeoes and balanced mixes can be drastically different I think this is because pheromones and para-pheromones must appear in nature in complex bundles, like green tea has caffeine AND theanine which synergize to form a third effect… I’m constantly studying how “softeners” like P74, Estratatraenol, Alpha-nol and Alpha-Rone, (and to my mind P86, others may prefer TAK) and my old fave response modifier, IsoE-Super, will allow something like P83 to emerge as a “note” instead of an overload… Tacitus (12 February 2007): “…then back to… [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/), IN moderation, “buried deep in the mix”… can put a focused, attentive, totally in the moment quality… so it might be great for performers too, say if you wanted a band to practice hard and get their gig super tight you might balance [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) for precision and [Estratetraenol](https://phera.com/) for groove…” [1 week of p83 - #11 by toilofday](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-week-of-p83/1928/11) toilofday (12 February 2007): Thanks for the info tacitus. Do you feel that [p83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) has a creative side to it as I have noticed. Your comment on using it for a band practice seems perfect for this one. (Heavy rock/metal) [1 week of p83 - #15 by MarkL](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/1-week-of-p83/1928/15) MarkL (11 March 2007): " **2.5 mu P83** I applied to chin and inhaled during the spray. Just one spray over a mostly depleted base of A314 mutant and [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/). After about ten minutes, I started making the small muscular adjustments that remind me of trying to clear my sinuses and nasal passages when taking off in an airplane. Except I was flexing and extending my temporoparietal muscles, the auriculares .. and some of the jaw and throat muscles as well: clearing my **ears**. The next few hours riding around the city on buses and trains I was attuned to the sounds around me. Perhaps it was a shift in attention, or perhaps a real ratchet in auditory capacity – I was able to get a sense of the tone of people around me who were conversing, even when they spoke at a murmur (or I felt I did!) I seemed to have an empathetic understanding of their … “vocal intent”, if that makes any sense. I repeated the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) application about 8 hours later – one spray – and felt comfortable in my local bar sitting back and listening to the buzz around me. I felt I got some of the nuances of the music (videos) playing in the bar – more than I would ordinarily have picked up on – and could suss out the quality of laughter of various people there. I was able to rapidly shift my attention to tune into a short utterance from across the room, then jump back to two or three other conversations. While I could hear words if I wanted to, I wasn’t eavesdropping – I ignored the words, for the most part, and tried to just listen to tone and rhythm. I wondered if I’d shift into non-semantic audition (when listening to a quality of a person’s voice and you shift into a mode where although you hear the words, you only hear the words as if they were nonsense sounds; you can pick a word and repeat it until it begins to lose it’s meaning-carrying value, until it’s just a sound). I didn’t, but I’ll make a conscious intention to go there if I can when I try [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) next. In summary: high auditory alertness, flexibility, and perhaps even enhanced sensitivity, preceded by face and throat “gestures” or “exercises” related to “opening ears”… PS: I had [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) / 2.5 [mcg](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microgram) in a to-go with no additional scent. I get a hint of a rotting/aging meat aroma from [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/), but I stop sensing it after a minute." --- _[View the full topic](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimone-putative-mixs-thread/3694)._