# Experimones vs love-scent reagent pheros **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 16, 2008, 3:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimones-vs-love-scent-reagent-pheros/11291 "2008-04-16T15:37:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![californialove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d78d45/32.png) [@californialove](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/californialove)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 3:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimones-vs-love-scent-reagent-pheros/11291/1 "2008-04-16T15:37:51Z")
Im talking about androtics ExperiMone series and Love-scents reagent grade pure [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). Has anyone had any experience with both of these. Being at the pherotalk phorum I’m expecting some bias but would like to hear what experiences anyone has had nonetheless. (esp if you’ve tried the same product from both places, e.g. alpha or beta androstenol) Also for some reason I can’t seem to find androstadienone from experimone, which from what I’ve read on the NCBI database has the most conclusive evidence to incite a reaction in the female sex. One final question, what is with all these other pheromones that androtics offers like TAH, TAK, P74, etc. I’ve been trying to find out the names of these compounds and locate some legit research on them but can’t seem to do so. ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 3:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimones-vs-love-scent-reagent-pheros/11291/2 "2008-04-16T15:49:45Z")
TAH, TAK, P74 are code names of Molecules that androticsdirect researches. The most popular pheromones are with their normal names(none,Androsterone and so on) But TA\* and P\* are androticsdirect own research and they spend allot of resources on testing and giving them at good prices to us. We post feedback here and it wouldn’t be just fair if a rival company use our feedback on the molecules for free. (if they knew the real name of the phoromone) and about > [@californialove](#): > > Also for some reason I can’t seem to find androstadienone f look for ExperiMone™ A1 Spray or click the name on your post 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![californialove](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d78d45/32.png) [@californialove](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/californialove)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 3:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimones-vs-love-scent-reagent-pheros/11291/3 "2008-04-16T15:58:33Z")
Thanks for the super fast reply! Yea I guess that makes sense. Its really cool how androtics develops and does their own research. I’m always skeptical when you have a company selling their own product discussing its effects but I guess you guys (the forum) act as a good third-party verification mechanism. One more thing, I’m guessing that androtics experimones are likely to be of greater quality then LS reagent and probably are less likely to have heavy metals or any other toxic impurities but don’t have much to base this on. Can anyone reinforce this notion? ---
**Author:** ![bosshank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@bosshank](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/bosshank)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 4:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimones-vs-love-scent-reagent-pheros/11291/4 "2008-04-16T16:13:02Z")
LS is a reputible company - many of us here also purchase from them and we would not if we thought there was a problem with their products. I do not use a lot of straight pheromones - says 'noles or 'none - but several people her do. Maybe we could give a shout out to Gegogi and see what he has to say. As Idle pointed out - some of the experimental stuff Androtics uses they only identify by number or letter so we really don’t know exactly what it is. At the some time, they are pretty much the only company that does let us play with the experimental stuff. Most other comppanies only offer the “tried and true” ingredients. ---
**Author:** ![idle](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/idle/32/344_2.png) [@idle](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/idle)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 4:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimones-vs-love-scent-reagent-pheros/11291/5 "2008-04-16T16:14:45Z")
californialove i think NO one can verify that. I am happy with the quality of the pheromones. I have used allot of stuff and found out that androtics is just great quality. I know i can get a double dosage for the price here… but i am not sure about the purity of the product. I havent tested the concentrates @ Love-scents and i dont know who is the supplier of them. after all Love scent is just a store… manufacturers sell their stuff through them. They have some good product there too. But i am not sure about the concentrates. Androtics on the other hand is making the pheromones by them selfs(excluding some molecules). So they have more control on the quality. ---
**Author:** ![Mtnjim](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mtnjim/32/2010_2.png) [@Mtnjim](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Mtnjim)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 6:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimones-vs-love-scent-reagent-pheros/11291/6 "2008-04-16T18:55:03Z")
The LS reagents are made by Stone Labs in New York, the same people who make “Perfect 10”. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 7:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimones-vs-love-scent-reagent-pheros/11291/7 "2008-04-16T19:03:04Z")
I’ve used The LS reagents for years and they’re excellent, albeit pricey. I can’t really say Stone or Androtics are better as I got great results from both. The Androtics seem cheaper at first but once you increase the concentration to LS reagent levels they’re pricey too. However, Androtics offers the ability to dilute your juice if you please. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 7:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimones-vs-love-scent-reagent-pheros/11291/8 "2008-04-16T19:42:42Z")
I have used both with the nols but not the other raw pheromones and I find the results the same. I get them here because of the price and its easier to have everything in one order. We really arent bias over here when it comes to LS. Androtics is pretty confident in their products. Alot of us use both products and love them. We even send people over for certain things from here like EOW or Scent of Eros. We just cant give out the link but we can say the name Lovescent lovescent lovescent see 😃 Its all part of having a well rounded pheromone arsenal. 😉 Tisha ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 8:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimones-vs-love-scent-reagent-pheros/11291/9 "2008-04-16T20:44:35Z")
> [@californialove](#): > > Also for some reason I can’t seem to find androstadienone from experimone, which from what I’ve read on the NCBI database has the most conclusive evidence to incite a reaction in the female sex. > > One final question, what is with all these other pheromones that Androtics offers like TAH, TAK, P74, etc. I’ve been trying to find out the names of these compounds and locate some legit research on them but can’t seem to do so. And the blue link - [androstadienone](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/molecule-a/) goes to Androtics experimone A-ndrostadienone (-'s used to keep name integrity, instead of creating link). It’s just referred to as A-1. This is also the main cmpound in Instant Female Magic ---
**Author:** ![SteveO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/87869e/32.png) [@SteveO](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SteveO)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2008, 8:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimones-vs-love-scent-reagent-pheros/11291/10 "2008-04-16T20:47:29Z")
I agree LS is an A-OK company. ---
**Author:** ![Socrates](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3bc359/32.png) [@Socrates](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Socrates)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2008, 9:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimones-vs-love-scent-reagent-pheros/11291/11 "2008-04-17T09:51:01Z")
Yes I still buy some products from LS (like WAGG) and agree that their products mostly work. Their service is good too. I have tried some of their Chem Set products in the past as well and found them good except that they seemed on the expensive side for the size of the bottles (but I guess they need to be diluted). The main reason why I prefer Androtics is that they stand for ‘progress’. I want to see new and improved products for better outcomes and believe Androtics is far better placed with the way they are doing things than LS for this to happen. I mean LS would be quite happy for NPA, DST’s Pheros, SOE, A7, Chikara and the like to keep selling (as long as they sell well) into the next 5 years and not bring anything new out. I mean we all know that Androstenone-strong products will pull in big (and often fleeting) ‘sexual’ hits but what about the outcomes for people. Only Androtics made the effort to create a truely innovative high-AndrosteRone product (A314) which seems to create far better outcomes in the workplace for many people than high AndrostEnone products or even Chikara. And they’ve come out with a number of other useful new pheromones that were simply not available before Androtics started selling them in the last few years. So with Androtics, I have the feeling that we will be seeing new products with better outcomes based on numerous tests. What would you rather have on the forum for the next 5 years?: ‘Best hits ever in a club with NPA and SOE combo: including heavy grinding’ (LS - typical thread started on there and here as well which pulls in the headlines but often results in nothing significant after the initial interaction) or ‘Fuzing MX105 and P74: Younger Man’s A314 and the Cool Guy Vibe - better social outcomes for the college-aged crowd’ (as an example of a similarly named thread I started on Androtics about trying to get some kind of progress happening and not just taking the easy glory road with Androstenone-strong products). Okay I know sex sells 😛 in the above example but if you are one of the many who has more problems with AndrotEnone than what it’s worth, you will see that the Androtics approach is better in the long run. (Plus they do sell quality high AndrostEnone products like TUTH, Raw Power, etc). ---
**Author:** ![Flipcat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/47e85d/32.png) [@Flipcat](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Flipcat)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2008, 6:07pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experimones-vs-love-scent-reagent-pheros/11291/12 "2008-04-20T18:07:31Z")
I’ve been using pheros for more than a year now and have wondered the same thing, too. The Androtics stuff always worked better for me, even though they claimed lower purity than Stone. Androtics claims something like high 98s to mid 99%s, while Stone claims 99.9% as if they’re Ivory soap or something. I’ve also noticed that some stone made products that don’t seem to work the same from bottle to bottle. It confused the heck out of me why a lower rated product outperformed a higher rated one, and since it’s my money on the line I dug deep to find out why. Turns out that while Love Scent is fine, the problem is Stone Labs themselves. First, they use pheromones of an unknown origin (probably chinese stuff that costs just pennies a milligram) whereas you get very fine, expensive to make american made here. As anyone knows, there’s a huge difference between American and Chinese quality. It’s kinda like food… Let’s say there’s two restaurants selling “steak” at $25 a plate. One serves you fancy steak that cost them $10 at their supplier, while another is selling you a piece of meat that costs $4 a lb (or salsbury steak that costs 70 cents a pound). All businesses are like this, including pheros. Some companies sell salsbury steak at a premium, while others sell you Angus or Kobe for nearly the same “retail” price. One makes less profit to keep you as a customer long term, while the other just doesn’t give a crap about you. Another sucker will come along. (think about restaurants in tourist areas) This is like stereos and guitar amps, too. A rated 500watt stereo from China is completely different than rated 500watt stereo from america or europe. In fact, I have a 65watt american amp here that kicks the crap out of any chinese 500 watt. Some people lie with numbers. That’s the thing that really pisses me off. Stone does the same kind of stuff Pherlure is known for, but nobody seems to call them out on it. Sure they give you real pheromones most of the time, which pherlure doesn’t appear, too, but they definitely use fraud to sell their products. That 99.9% # I talked about above? It’s just made up. Here’s what they use to get us to believe their products are pure: `http://discountpheromones.com/COA.htm` Well, guess what? Those are just copied pages from the [sigma-aldrich.com](http://sigma-aldrich.com) website, with a few numbers changed. If you’ve taken taken enough college chemistry courses, you know how fake this COA is and how badly they botched the fake. They even get their standard and lot/sample result columns mixed up, which shows that they don’t know enough about what they’re doing to even do a good forgery. You can even call Sigma-Aldrich and ask for the product manager of A8008 to have them look at Stone’s page to verify all this. I did. They laughed at just how stupid a scammer could be. If you haven’t taken enough science courses to understand this stuff, Dr. Mercola has some articles and videos where he talks about COA fraud. [Harvard Researchers Skeptical About Multivitamins - Articles](http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/04/01/harvard-researchers-skeptical-about-multivitamins.aspx) a video… [Whole Food Multivitamin Nutritional Supplement](http://products.mercola.com/whole-foods-multivitamin/) an example of the integrity of chinese chem companies… [Apitherapy News: China: 3 Arrested in Scam Selling Fake Bee Venom](http://apitherapy.blogspot.com/2006/07/china-3-arrested-in-scam-selling-fake.html) So they use some real stuff, but lower quality foreign chemicals and then they fake their numbers and do the fraud game like a cheap NY camera seller. Not very cool in my book. I wouldn’t give them any more money just based on that bs. No thank you. I’ll buy real american made product from Androtics or Sigma Aldrich, and that’s it. Neither are “cheap”, but they’re about the same price as the scammers and at least you get what you pay for. What I’m not going to do is be a a sucker that’s going to spend $80 on Chinese made salsbury steak pheromones with a “certificate of analysis” forged to make it look like Angus or Kobe!