# experts help needed :) **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 17, 2008, 11:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experts-help-needed/8399 "2008-01-17T23:34:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![SeekingCupid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@SeekingCupid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SeekingCupid)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2008, 11:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experts-help-needed/8399/1 "2008-01-17T23:34:57Z")
Hi guys, ok so I am an easy going guy, great smile and good sense of humor. just moved in with a girl I like. I am not sure if she got the hint yet (but probably not, at least not as a boyfriend material). she is currently out of town. I proved that I am helpful, reliable, clean, outgoing, fun, and “nice”. now when she comes back, I have a present waiting for her which will be delivered to our house with a post card. she is kind of a party animal and spends most of her day at work. Which combination of [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) do I wear when she is around? Also, I never dated a girl that plays hard to get before, so I need few tips and advice from the guys 😉. As for the girls reading the thread, please share any ideas you have in mind. If you have any specific questions, please don’t hesitate to ask. thanks ladies and gentlemen ---
**Author:** ![runnerxvr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@runnerxvr](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/runnerxvr)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2008, 9:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experts-help-needed/8399/2 "2008-01-18T09:56:45Z")
Hello Seekingcupid! Let’s see if I can, somehow, help you. First of all, I’ve not much an idea about how your relationship is. Are you living with her and she’s not your girlfriend? Kind of flatmates? Sorry, for my English… Anyway, if it’s so, I’d suggest you about social stuff, like Instant Shine, [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) and Instant Honesty. I don’t know if I’d use some NONE too… I wouldn’t scare her. I’ll let the others answer this part too. I’d choose teh Social Pheros. See ya Franz ---
**Author:** ![SeekingCupid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ebca7d/32.png) [@SeekingCupid](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/SeekingCupid)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 3:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experts-help-needed/8399/3 "2008-01-19T15:50:19Z")
Thank you, I have been using Instant openness, shine, and honesty. haven’t seen any results. Maybe a little more friendliness, kind of just like those days before I started using pheros. Any other ideas? ---
**Author:** ![mark-in-dallas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/mark-in-dallas/32/860_2.png) [@mark-in-dallas](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mark-in-dallas)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 5:37pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experts-help-needed/8399/4 "2008-01-19T17:37:27Z")
Hey SeekingCupid, I agree on the social pheros. A little Ammo could also help as well, but don’t overso it. If you have any [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/), you might also try wearing that around her. And one more that I might recommend, is P83, which should make her feel more sexy when she is in your presence. And more important than anything else: Do not overdo it on the presents and nicities! Girls like stong, confident guys, and if you are to nice or do to much for her, it will get her thinking that you are trying to BUY her affection and are too subservient. That can come across as wimpy behavior and girls don’t like wimps. You need to make her see that you are the prize and she would be lucky to be with you. On a final note, it may not be the best idea trying to turn a roomate into a lover. She may be very resistant to the idea, realizing that if it doesn’t work out it would probably make for very uncomfortable living conditions. ---
**Author:** ![Gegogi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gegogi/32/1536_2.png) [@Gegogi](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gegogi)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2008, 6:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/experts-help-needed/8399/5 "2008-01-19T18:45:12Z")
I have to agree, unless the stars are aligned and you gotta deluxe mojo on, housemate to lover attempts are usually a bad, bad idea. Been there several times and one of us always had to move once it went to crap, and it always does. If she brushes you off, you’ll have to suffer awkward moments for a long time, especially when she brings men home…