# Extended periodization program for pheromones (long post) **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [July 19, 2010, 9:38pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/extended-periodization-program-for-pheromones-long-post/40149 "2010-07-19T21:38:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 10:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/extended-periodization-program-for-pheromones-long-post/40149/21 "2011-05-12T10:20:47Z")
> [@](#): > > I am getting the feeling with RADMAN’s theory your not living in the present moment in tune with your feelings, emotions, and mood. It’s more of a gameplan to build yourself up but not in tune with “the present” moment. I am one who always lives in the present and am in tune with my moods and emotions most of the time. Yes I agree, his model is more for building a specific persona and as I mentioned there is no wrong way of right way to use mones. His model can work for some who need a strict plan to follow and are going for a specific vibe. I am not saying its a bad plan that should not be followed or anything like that. It just wont fit everyone needs and has its down sides as well. Pheromones are just not one size fits all. I find the most effective way is to pick one or two products that work for you and give your intended vibe and work around those products with other pheromones used to steer. This is where you speak to your moods and the situation for the day. In the steering components. > [@](#): > > Some of us have trouble with congruency or may forget to act out a vibe, or behave the same way all the time so we need to follow something more along the line of Radman’s “move like a snake” strategy flowing from one mone combo into the next to avoid sudden shock. I dont know… I never been suddenly shocked by a persons moods. Moods and the behavior that accompanies them are naturally occurring in well rounded people. No one acts the same way all of the time. Even alphas have dont lead all the time. I think most people know I am not totally for “congruency”. It implies you need to act a part which you dont and we just use it for lack of a better word. With mones I find its more not acting in opposition to the vibe your sending. Acting in opposition can confuse people and if your just not in the mood to act alpha there not a damn thing you can do to act it unless your Johnny Depp of course. I can act any way you like getting paid what he gets paid LOL It cant be maintained though. Now being totally congruent with a signature your wearing can be detrimental in the long run as well. If your going for a one nighter its not big deal but for long term relationships and use in every day life it leaves you having to “act as if” forever. I have seen marriages and friendships break up over that. Instead of using mones to enhance qualities you do have they created qualities that just dont come natural to them and they cant maintain it. Yes its true you can develop qualities over time through life experiences and many people suggest fake it till you make it. Its not totally bad advice but changing ones qualities can take a lot of time and effort. How long do you want to fake it ? Hopefully you can fake it long enough for that change to occur and people find out otherwise. You dont have to fake being a guy though. Your a guy, you use mones to enhance your masculinity not to become masculine. Just being a guy makes you naturally masculine to some extent. Same thing with Alpha men, men are all alphas just by natural selection, some just embrace and show it more then others. You use pheromones to enhance it not to become it. Using a base then applying with your moods and the situation with your steering mones synchronizes the emotions with your persona. It makes attraction more natural and lasting. Like I said if your looking for the quick one nighter it really doesn’t matter but something more long term needs to be enhanced not acted out. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![dsouza](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/dsouza/32/840_2.png) [@dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 11:55am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/extended-periodization-program-for-pheromones-long-post/40149/22 "2011-05-12T11:55:44Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > **I am one who always lives in the present and am in tune with my moods and emotions most of the time.** > > Tisha **I really apologize for that error in typing. I addressed the msg to you instead of RADMAN and said your not living in the present. I typed it at 3 am or so. What I meant to do was address the message to Radman.. Sorry!!!** You definitely live in the present!🙂 Dsouza ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 12:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/extended-periodization-program-for-pheromones-long-post/40149/23 "2011-05-12T12:35:23Z")
Not a hundred percent sure what you mean by “not living in the present”. If you mean I’m not totally content with status quo as things are in my life then yes, you would be correct. I’m always looking for ways to improve myself and my life, I suppose I’m a very future oriented person. As I stated before, at almost any stage in the plan the base mix can be enhanced with additions or substitutions to better fit a more specific event. > [@](#): > > I dont know… I never been suddenly shocked by a persons moods. Moods and the behavior that accompanies them are naturally occurring in well rounded people. No one acts the same way all of the time. Even alphas have dont lead all the time. Moods?, no…actual personality and nature? yeah. Like you say just by being male a person will by default have a degree of masculinity, and it follows will have a degree of natural mone production. Now take a young muscular athlete or body builder type, he would no doubt have a very high natural none signature. And while his shifting moods will change and have some effect on his mone production, his physical health and general overal personality isn’t likely to shift as often and so his natural mone signature may have subtle variations from day to day but will at the core be the same base signature regardless of how appropriate such a signal may be for any given occasion. > [@](#): > > Now being totally congruent with a signature your wearing can be detrimental in the long run as well. If your going for a one nighter its not big deal but for long term relationships and use in every day life it leaves you having to “act as if” forever. I have seen marriages and friendships break up over that. Instead of using [mones](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/) to enhance qualities you do have they created qualities that just dont come natural to them and they cant maintain it. Yes its true you can develop qualities over time through life experiences and many people suggest fake it till you make it. Its not totally bad advice but changing ones qualities can take a lot of time and effort. How long do you want to fake it ? Hopefully you can fake it long enough for that change to occur and people find out otherwise. Well being somebody that’s given the fake it till you make it advice I believe that proper application of mones can make the faking it easier for others to accept. I’ve stated in other topics that attempts to change ones own behavior can be met with resistance from people that have already compartmentalized you and have you tucked away in their own mental box where they think you fit. Mones will lend a degree of authenticity to new behaviors and help people to accept it as being a legitimate change and that you’re growing and not actually faking it or being a try hard. Thus behavior and action fall in line with eachother, making the behavior easier to act out. When a type of behavior becomes easier the line of thought behind said behavior feels more natural. “If everyone treats you like a star, it becomes easier to feel and act like one” sort of a catch-22 snowball effect. Now I’m not suggesting this program is the be all end all correct way to use these products. The end result may not even be in line with what some people are looking for. It’s about as universal as a hard core bodybuilding program…I would never suggest that kind of training for somebody preparing for a marathon. I do want to say I’m enjoying this thread as well. For an old topic it’s turning into a very interesting discussion and I appreciate dsouza and tisha for your guys input. It challenges me and forces me to consider possibilities I hadn’t originally. ([https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/dsouza)) ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 1:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/extended-periodization-program-for-pheromones-long-post/40149/24 "2011-05-12T13:00:26Z")
> [@](#): > > But what happens when the cycle ends? Do you start from scratch all over again? > > Also what happens if women are not your only objective? What if you want to be close to some seniors like your parents and they react badly to powerful vibes or heavy none signatures? What if your lifestyle changes along the way when your wearing heavy [a314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) and then you lose your job? > > The [mones](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/) must sync with lifestyle and there’s no guarantee lifestyle will stay the same to sync with [mones](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/) . Then what? Sorry I overlooked this at first. When the cycle is complete I would probably design more of a maintenance level cycle. Base products used in up and down waves but more simplified with fewer variation and not so focused on progressing “forward”. Well the thing about this program is it was designed for myself and my personal goals. You can change products around, add or drop products at your leisure. even avoid aspects altogether. Like the sexual/attraction products. You could still very easilly use just the status respect based products and the socials while skipping the heavy none stuff and build a strong respect vibe that’s approachable and connection building with no focus on sex. It’s an outline presented as an example that one could use to custom tailor a similar program for their own unique goals and needs. The fundamentals of it stay the same though. IG has alpha qualities but tends to be less aggressive than A314 so for somebody not already good at asserting themselves or has issues with people reacting negatively to them asserting themselves IG is easier to start with and then progress to A314…likewise with Ammo and TuTH. As for if you lose your job. or experience a change in status…then I would suggest pulling back to an easier phase that would help you replace the lost job. If you’re in an A314 phase of the program it might be too aggressive and turn off potential employers. I’m not concerned about the person not being alpha because he lost his job and the vibe is fake, but in the hunt to get a new job it could be a bit much for a new prospective employer to take on an initial interview so pulling back to an easier IG phase could be called for. If starting a new job, I wouldn’t be too concerned about having to restart the program as the new people you see daily haven’t had a chance to make an early impression of you that you want to change. This would be a first impression and in many ways a chance to establish an immediate positive image in their mind. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2011, 2:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/extended-periodization-program-for-pheromones-long-post/40149/25 "2011-05-12T14:49:32Z")
> [@](#): > > Well being somebody that’s given the fake it till you make it advice I believe that proper application of [mones](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/) can make the faking it easier for others to accept. I’ve stated in other topics that attempts to change ones own behavior can be met with resistance from people that have already compartmentalized you and have you tucked away in their own mental box where they think you fit. [Mones](http://www.pheromonetalk.com/) will lend a degree of authenticity to new behaviors and help people to accept it as being a legitimate change and that you’re growing and not actually faking it or being a try hard. As I stated fake it till you make it is not bad advice. There is definitely room for working from the outside in and working from the inside out in self improvement. For instance I frequently suggest affirmations. In a way this is working from the outside by repeating aloud phrases to change your beliefs on the inside so you can vibrate them out to the world and people around you. Your approach to using mones is working from the outside in and my approach to mone use is working from the inside out. **Neither are wrong, they are just two different styles.** What I mean by the outside in and inside out theory is your looking at mones to enhance a behavior your vibrating on the outside and eventually people will except that vibration as you and because they do you will feel more like it thus you begin to align yourself with that vibration. This is more congruence. Where as I am using them to enhance what naturally resides in all of us on the inside, to align with it and bring it to the surface so that it becomes a part of you, you feel it and it effects your behavior thus changes how people react to you and again reinforcing and aligning you more with the vibration. This is not working in opposition to your feelings or vibrations. I think we both agree that mones are tools for self improvement. Correct ? Working on the outside in is the the quick fix, short lived method of self improvement. Its not easy to feel something you dont. Confidence Power strength and masculinity are felt. With in us we hold every emotion there is… every feeling. Lasting change happens from the inside and vibrates out. So approach it like an actor would…So suppose your happy right now. Try to feel sad… you can act sad for a short period. Your body language, expressions, verbal language end up varying because its impossible to keep all those things consciously in check all the time. The audience is left unconvinced. Usually its B list actors who approach it this way. Natural Actors usually dig down into the subconscious looking for a feeling to bring up from the inside using memory visualization and whatever other tools they use. So now think of something in your life that made you very sad. Picture it, focus on it and suddenly it bubbles up from the subconscious to the surface and flows leaving people convinced your very sad. It shows in body language expressions and verbal language. You dont have to keep it in check because they are present in you so it flows unconfused and uninterrupted until you feel something else. There is nothing to maintain, fake or pretend its a part of you. Its why some actors have trouble stepping out of a negative or even a romantic character when the production is over and why you see so many of them fuck up there lives. Its why there marriages dont last. Its why leading ladies fall in love with there leading men and vice versa. Sometimes they maintain that that persona after filming and some characters played are liked and some are not so liked. Until the next time they play a character and suddenly take on a new persona. Now we are not going for a fake character or trying to become something we are not. We are trying to improve ourselves in a positive manner to enhance who we already are. This is why I approach mones the way I do. So I am not saying dont be congruent, dont fake it, dont grow. I am saying grow with your pheromones from the inside, find balance. Maybe thats the key… working both from the inside out and the outside in at the same time so you can meet in a place within yourself thats comfortably and uniquely you. This is a good talk I am getting new insights as well. > [@](#): > > Moods?, no…actual personality and nature? yeah. Like you say just by being male a person will by default have a degree of masculinity, and it follows will have a degree of natural mone production. Now take a young muscular athlete or body builder type, he would no doubt have a very high natural none signature. And while his shifting moods will change and have some effect on his mone production, his physical health and general overal personality isn’t likely to shift as often and so his natural mone signature may have subtle variations from day to day but will at the core be the same base signature regardless of how appropriate such a signal may be for any given occasion. I agree we all have a base signature naturally and we can choice one or two similar formulas as a base to work around. So using say A314 as a base to steer all those other emotions/pheromones around is good. I just dont think you need to do it in a specific structure unless structure is something that appeals to you. My father was very structured, I on the other hand am more free spirited and there are pro’s and cons to both methods but our cores are the same. > [@](#): > > I’m always looking for ways to improve myself and my life, I suppose I’m a very future oriented person. Nothing wrong with being future oriented as long as you remember the future is not happening now. I am a “live in the now” person. The Past and the future have there place in my life and I use them as tools or guides of sorts but if your only focus is on what you want to be tomorrow or what you were yesterday you miss the joy of who you are right now. Eventually life passes you by and you wake up and realize that you missed it. Tisha [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/extended-periodization-program-for-pheromones-long-post/40149.md?page=1)