# Fallout. Finally, a report from a Woman's perspective **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 10, 2013, 6:18pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187 "2013-10-10T18:18:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Himeros](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/himeros/32/2325_2.png) [@Himeros](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Himeros)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 5:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187/21 "2013-10-25T05:13:00Z")
Her words: _“I want you so badly, you drive me crazy. I’m yours.”_ Combined with all the other signals she’s been sending you, I’d say fallout doesn’t get any better than this. What are your further plans with this woman shark? Just curious. I recall you’re married, but still you’re inviting her over to your appartment wearing a heavy TUTH signature. That’s asking for trouble. You’re still doing all of this in the name of science? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 7:48am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187/22 "2013-10-25T07:48:53Z")
> [@sharkndragon](#): > > **UPDATE:** > > After a wonderful evening with “M”, I received an email from her this morning telling me she decided she needed to back off. She was struggling with a few different variables about this “relationship” and thought it best if we cool down and remain friends. > \* > _She proceeded to literally talk herself out of the decision she just made._ The final conclusion was “I want you so badly, you drive me crazy. I’m yours.” This is one thing you do need to consider carefully before starting on a fallout course with someone - No matter how much you like/are interested in her, if a woman is not in a position emotionally to follow-through on a positive/significant response to a fallout mix, it can produce this tremendous emotional dissonance. Its up to you if you want to carry-on with the current mix but it may be time to consider a lighter/less intense/pressurising mix around her for a while to see if she gets her feelings on a more even keel! ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 9:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187/23 "2013-10-25T09:50:24Z")
I’d be lying to you all, and to myself, if I said I was doing this strictly in the name of science. The science started it all, but as you can see, things have progressed beyond that. I proved that it worked, yet I didn’t stop. Those are my demons to deal with. I still want this thread to be a discussion on its intended topic, which is why I try to keep it driven by the definitive things I see as a result of my use of pheromones. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 10:56am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187/24 "2013-10-25T10:56:31Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > There is no such thing as a perfect formula for fallout or otherwise that will work for everyone. Its impossible simply because you do not begin with a clean slate. You produce your own pheromones and those are going to steer the formula. You also have to keep in mind that different people will process the pheromonal signal in slightly different ways due to life experiences. > > You have to mess around with mones and find what works for you. They are not one size fits all. I think, or hope, we all know what I meant by that. I am not an expert yet, maybe in another few years. We have literally thousands of posts on this board. But much has changed…not all for the better. My goal is to try to revisit tests which proved successful and find the best of the best with what is available to work with. If any post left an impression that current pheromone technology offers a panacea–we can correct that false impression promptly. I find myself disappointed by how few people test things like TAK these days. I read the posts by veterans. Then I look for new or refreshing information in journals… **and I don’t find it**. I have always had a creative and inventive streak. I admire Steve’s entrepreneurship, and I have a creative tendency of my own. **But it is not for everyone**. As long as there are new things to try, I’m going to. I’m going to keep testing TAK until I understand it. We can test, keep a journal and report, or we can all turn out the lights and go home. I will stick around for awhile. Test or do not. Report or do not. Participate or do not. I can only confess deep personal disappointment in the tone of apathy I see lately. _There is no such thing as a perfect formula for fallout or otherwise that will work for everyone.You truly do not think me that naive? Please. No, [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) isn’t one size fits all either. But by that logic, none of the Instants should work. It is increasingly apparent to me that essentially all user-based effort at new combos and mixes had been abandoned as a hopeless cause. Very unfortunate. I will soldier on, alone if need be_. Kinda seems like some folks gave up 3 years ago. Androtics has some lovely molecules. However, if anyone can correctly identify the molecule in my avatar, perhaps my faith in the science of pheromones will be reinvigorated. Takers? Anyone? Calling all **experts** … Shark, if you need me, PM. Monesy has a Halloween party to attend. See ya next week!😃 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 11:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187/25 "2013-10-25T11:11:10Z")
> [@](#): > > You truly do not think me that naive? Please. LOL No of course not. I didn’t mean it to sound that way. I find your reports very intelligent and insightful. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2013, 12:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187/26 "2013-10-25T12:59:30Z")
That’s a molecule? I thought it was popcorn… Seriously though I appreciate the help and support throughout this. ‘Monesy’ was my inspiration so to speak for putting this together. His studies and tests were what I followed and ultimately based my approach on, so I was extremely happy to start seeing results, and very eager to share them, since I knew he/you would have a keen interest in it. **UPDATE** : I took the advice and continued today with 2 drops a314, and 20mcg p74. I’m saving my IH since it’s freaking expensive and frankly, at this point, I don’t feel it’s needed on a daily basis. “M” informed me today that she won’t get to see me at all this weekend. She was sincerely reluctant to give me the news, almost like she was worried I’d get angry or upset. Since we left work around 2pm I’ve received numerous “I miss you” and various other “thinking of you” type emails. I’m responding to most of them, but im trying not to seem like the eager puppy dog who always comes running when called… Likely won’t have much to report on (this thread) this weekend, but if any significant emails are exchanged I’ll be sure to share them. Enjoy the weekend everyone. ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2013, 6:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187/27 "2013-10-26T18:44:30Z")
Tonight during a brief chat session through email, “M” admits to me: “You know what is weird? I know you are going to break my heart and I still want you. I’m okay with it though. You still make me act like a school girl… a love crazed school girl!” This is in regards to me moving away in January. The Navy issued me orders and I have to leave in January to an overseas location. Most women i know at this early stage of a “relationship” would be coming to a screeching halt, knowing it wouldn’t last more than a few months… ---
**Author:** ![phertest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3ec8ea/32.png) [@phertest](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/phertest)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 3:45am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187/28 "2013-10-30T03:45:08Z")
Shark, IIRC you had a bottle of rev31 and exchanged for rev32? Or I maybe thinking of someone else… anyway, I was curious – if you did have the r31, did you get any aspects of fallout from it around this same target? ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 4:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187/29 "2013-10-30T04:40:07Z")
> [@phertest](#): > > Shark, IIRC you had a bottle of rev31 and exchanged for rev32? Or I maybe thinking of someone else… anyway, I was curious – if you did have the r31, did you get any aspects of fallout from it around this same target? I did not own Rev31. Rev32 is my First bottle of a314 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 2:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187/30 "2013-10-30T14:27:58Z")
A fellow user contacted me via PM to express some concern regarding my use of p83 and IH around “M” while she’s dealing with some conflicting feelings that I mentioned earlier in the thread. This highlighted serious neglect on my part. p83 and IH are both disinhibitors in their own right. In my ignorance I began to think that these products could do no harm. If this woman was attracted to me, being uninhibited would be all the better, right? I overlooked one important key: if she’s conflicted in any way, then releasing inhibitions could unfortunately provoke her lingering doubts, which is exactly what happened. I’ve ceased use of p83 and IH around “M” until things smooth out. Thanks anonymous user for highlighting the issue! ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 2:58pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187/31 "2013-10-30T14:58:51Z")
The was a good article on Live Science that discussed just how dynamic female mood changes can be simply as a natural course of daily hormonal fluctuations. The same TUTH and [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) dose that was a charm one day flops the next. I never really OD on A314 usually, but anything with -eNone or anything volatile has that potential. I try to apply these to the arms. You lose some diffusion, but you can scrub them off if things take a turn for the worse, without having to ruin your whole day. The risks with P74, IO and Shine are very few. You’ll probably just get talked or kino-ed to death. I really don’t like going over 37.5 of P83. Cold climates you can probably go higher, adapting to your environment (vs. mine). ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [October 30, 2013, 3:29pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187/32 "2013-10-30T15:29:08Z")
> [@sharkndragon](#): > > p83 and IH are both disinhibitors in their own right. In my ignorance I began to think that these products could do no harm. If this woman was attracted to me, being uninhibited would be all the better, right? I overlooked one important key: if she’s conflicted in any way, then releasing inhibitions could unfortunately provoke her lingering doubts, which is exactly what happened. Yup - Saw plenty of this in my Ex. OK, it was on the skids when I started with mones but the most extreme responses were in the period after we split-up. Personally, I’d say the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) was probably the more fickle of the two and IH more served to bring her conflicts/doubts out in the open, where the P83 helped disperse them. However, the situation was anchored somewhat by introducing A314 and its more stable form of fallout - At least to the point where whenever the anchor slipped, it was all on the rocks or right-off them. This is where I also found IS to be a useful steering/protective buffer against the more negative responses. IME if you feel good, you tend to think and react good. However, some amount of tension and emotional engagement/disengagement/dissonance is all part of building a fallout to its fullest extent. But by then, my own levels of care were somewhat diminished and although I held little ill-will towards her, I was kind-of looking to see how far it could go either way. Once I hit the limits of what I was willing to put both of us through, I did back right-out. ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [October 31, 2013, 6:29am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187/33 "2013-10-31T06:29:38Z")
Good catch on the p83 and IH dynamics. After replaying some of our conversations I could clearly see how each one played its role, and was actually thankful I had been wearing IH, otherwise I may not have ever gotten the full story from her. She could’ve easily pulled away and never explained why, and that’s a position I truly want to avoid. I came to the same conclusion about including IS into the mix. Wearing a314 yesterday I added 2 sprays 2x Shine before a brief meet with “M”. Conversation was much lighter, and she seemed much less burdened than the days prior. Things have been fantastic since… **More Fallout Feedback:** “Having you visit me at work is like a drug. You’re addictive. When you walk in the office the energy level rises, and my heartbeat becomes erratic.” Thanks for the continued support. ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2013, 2:33pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187/34 "2013-12-08T14:33:06Z")
> [@sharkndragon](#): > > That’s a molecule? I thought it was popcorn… 'Twas androstenol flipped upside down, pointing the red oxygen towards you. ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 1:33am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187/35 "2014-01-09T01:33:16Z")
**UPDATE:** Well folks, it’s been a long while since I’ve updated this thread, and there’s good reason for it. Things have progressed beyond my wildest expectations, and I wanted to let them play out for awhile before updating my fellow mone addicts. “M” and I have been in a serious committed relationship now since October. Yes! The once Fallout Target has become a serious girlfriend, who I’m in Love with. Don’t they make movies about this stuff?? Seriously though, we worked past a few speed bumps but eventually settled on the fact that we felt very strongly toward one another, made each other happy, and really wanted to see where things would go. After a few months of getting to know her on a much more emotional level, it’s clear to me that she’s never felt this way before. She had been married for 10 years, but never loved him (married due to child), then dated sporadically after her divorce just having fun and enjoying life. She tells me often that she’s never felt In Love with someone before, and that this is all new to her. Comments that indicate the Fallout is still working are still very apparent. Just today before leaving my place she told me how addicted to me she was, and it’s very clear to me how much she craves my presence when we’re not around each other. Don’t get me wrong, it goes both ways 🙂 I’ve continued to use a314 on a regular basis around her, as well as AMMO, IH, IS p74, p75, TUTH, and lots and lots of TAC (situation dependent). She responds Very, Very well to TAC. This little latina bombshell gets all sorts of loose when shes able to relax a little, and I don’t need a bottle of wine to do it. My favorite response to see is when I have a fresh dose of _insert sexy mone here_ on me. She inevitably ends up kissing and licking that part of my body as if I had doused it in chocolate syrup! It never fails! I even gave her a to-go bottle of [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) for Christmas, and told her it was a sample of my cologne she likes so much (she has no idea I’ve been wearing pheromones). She used it regularly and consistently told me how _Happy_ it made her feel, almost euphoric. I’ve been mindful of the p83/IH pitfalls, so I’ve steered clear of p83 around her. She doesn’t need any disinhibitor anyway. She’s a very forward woman, and has no problem telling me, or showing me exactly what she wants, when she wants it. Bottom line Gentlemen: Fallout Works, as long as you find the right combination for the right person. Mind your target and her age, ethnicity, and demeanor, because it all plays a huge roll. If you’re really into the woman, don’t give up on it, because it takes awhile for the claws to settle deep. Best of luck, and I hope this thread still serves as good reference and inspiration. ---
**Author:** ![prscustom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/48db29/32.png) [@prscustom](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/prscustom)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 8:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187/36 "2014-01-09T08:06:15Z")
interestin and amazing story but the most important question for me is, how do you look like? are you really tall,dark and handsome like she described? ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 9:04pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187/37 "2014-01-09T21:04:08Z")
6’ 185lbs well built and trim, like a swimmer. Dark hair, dark brown eyes, good skin tone. The compliments I usually receive are “cute” and “handsome”, once in awhile I get “sexy” or “hot” but those are more rare. ---
**Author:** ![s\_t\_f](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5ac83/32.png) [@s\_t\_f](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/s_t_f)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2014, 10:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187/38 "2014-01-09T22:54:31Z")
I haven’t read the whole thread and will do so when I get home. I stopped using money for a while due to some relationship problems with my now ex. Do you think if you stopped using money the attraction would fade? What if you two get in a long term relationship and you decide not to use them. What effects do you think that would have. Been pondering this for a while now. ---
**Author:** ![prscustom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/48db29/32.png) [@prscustom](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/prscustom)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2014, 12:30am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187/39 "2014-01-10T00:30:08Z")
thats explains it then. i believe you had already all the potential to get what u got with pheros or not. so much more is technically possible(and vice versa) and you have it alot easier if you are genetically good looking. if pheros give ME some extraordinary success however, then i can say they are working..otherwise, nice story bro, so much of inspriation for me.. nomatter whatever i do what that is humanly possible, be it most secret magic phero formula or/and forbes top 10 with ultimate status + power. i dont think i can ever turn a woman on similarly like that. i have a very alpha character, coming from a family of very alpha people(CEOs, military general, captain, pilot. it doesnt get more alpha than that) plus all genetically attractive. i got myself good social status, very good taste and expensive clothes (for example like Beckham’s street clothes but even better without looking gay. i have over 10 leather jackets most of them cost over a grand), women say im charismatic, witty, tasteful, im generally a nice life. but despite all of this, i dont have similar success with women like yours, for the most simple reason than im not very attractive. and im a short guy too, even i heard this from a hb. she openly blamed my failure to my height. only mature women “appear” to be seeing my “values”. but only one type of value matters to that type of women, we all know which.. it sucks so much believe me, especially when dumb women tell you things they shouldnt be allowed to, just because they have the genetical advantage, which they contributed NOTHING to have that. ---
**Author:** ![sharkndragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/sharkndragon/32/426_2.png) [@sharkndragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sharkndragon)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2014, 5:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187/40 "2014-01-12T17:16:36Z")
stf, thanks for checking in. I’ve stopped using pheromones around her multiple times with no ill effect. After a certain amount of time I believe they became unnecessary. The claws were already sunk in deep, we had fallen in Love, so now I use mones on occasion for certain situations. I’ll add some when we go out with friends and when things are getting sexual, but otherwise I’m no longer constantly bombarding her with “fallout” mixes. prscustom, I believe I had the potential too, yes, however I think what I was wearing at the time around her so often really helped establish that “Who IS that Guy” feeling for her. She’s admitted that she tried to pull away at first, because she didn’t think I was interested (I was married and unsure if I wanted to get involved with an affair), but everytime she tried she found herself unable to shake me. She felt drawn to me inexplicably… a magnetism she couldn’t put her finger on. Are we soul mates? Sure, could be. Was it the 'mones? Sure, could’ve been. I believe they _helped_ establish the connection that was so hard for her to break. True, having a “genetical advantage” aka being attractive naturally, helps, but that’s all in the eye of the beholder. What’s attractive to some isn’t attractive to others, and there are plenty of woman out there who dig shorter guys. [Previous page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187.md?page=1)