# Fallout mix for a woman **URL:** \ **Category:** Women's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [April 20, 2015, 1:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219 "2015-04-20T01:49:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![UFO1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/8dc957/32.png) [@UFO1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/UFO1)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 1:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219/1 "2015-04-20T01:49:41Z")
So what would be a good fallout mix for a female? I see a lot for men attracting women but what about vice versa?? I use is/a but it doesn’t seem to completely do the trick… ---
**Author:** ![UFO1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/8dc957/32.png) [@UFO1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/UFO1)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 5:04am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219/2 "2015-04-20T05:04:07Z")
There’s gotta be someone who knows about this!! ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2015, 7:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219/3 "2015-04-20T07:50:10Z")
Yeah, it is a total bummer that there is so much male activity on this forum, with relatively nothingness from women. When good women come here, they get super involved for a few months to a year, but then they leave. Definitely not long enough to become a serious expert. The dudes here claim that women don’t “need” [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) as much as the guys do, because all a woman needs is to bat her eyes, and all the guys in the room will fall at her feet. That’s not the reality most of us are working with. First off, depending on where you live, there can be some stiff competition. And secondly, some of us (myself included) are particularly choosy about who we go for, and the ones I’m interested in never happen to be among the ones at my feet. That said, I find that different mixes work on different sorts of guys. IS/A is a good catch-all and starting place, but it’s not perfect. What age range and ethnicity are you going for? In general, I’ve had the most success with mixing MX335 with IS/A. Unfortunately, it doesn’t mesh well with other females being present. You can read about it here:[https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miss-dragons-journal-yay/58954](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/miss-dragons-journal-yay/58954) Mascara&mones tried it too, and she had a lot of success with it. I’ve also had lots of luck with high doses of p96, in the 40-60mcg range. It stimulates that sweet, fuzzy “falling in love” feeling. Best used in relaxed small-group settings or one-on-one. IH is a great pair with it, because it stimulates closeness. And a dash of p130 helps to relax everyone so they can enjoy the lovey vibes. So those are my 2 suggestions for “it girl” or “lovey dovey”. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2015, 10:38am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219/4 "2015-04-21T10:38:14Z")
Agreed - we badly need more women contributing over a wider range of phero-related issues. 🙂 I’ll second P96 - which IME is fairly unisex in application, also P74 and I don’t see how the IH/P74 combo is not as potentially useful for fallout/emotional engagement by women as well as men. In fact in some ways, (esp at higher dose) some of P74’s qualities are more in line with many mens idea of an “ideal woman.” [P93](https://a314.com/product/p93/) might be worth a shot as well - Its always been “interesting” around bi/lesbian women for me and its effects on groups of women have suggested to me that it might well be very usable by women on men as well. ---
**Author:** ![Ekscentra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6bbea6/32.png) [@Ekscentra](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ekscentra)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2015, 10:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219/5 "2015-04-22T22:21:58Z")
There was MX300, a female version of A314. Whether that mix caused fallout as effectively as A314, I couldn’t say. As a base, I’d suggest a combination of P78 @ 15mcg with your preferred doses of TAH and TAL. As always, it’s best to keep it low so as not to be wasteful. P96, Beta -nol, TAA, and MeO-EST, the lattermost @ around 15mcg once again, are both excellent additions. Definitely give high-dose alpha -nol (around 200mcg) a shot! This can be found in PXS’ OdysseyXS, or you can use it as a single molecule. I’ll second mobo’s suggestion of P93, perhaps @ around 15mcg. P102 is another possibility. P74, though mobo suggested it, I feel unsure about it in female mixes, but it’s definitely worth a shot. Though this won’t cause fallout in itself, MeO-NOL @ around 7.5mcg and Androstatrione at the same dose would do nicely to enhance the mix. As a more theoretical addition, I’d suggest possibly adding low doses of male molecules to the mix. The reverse of this idea drastically enhanced male mixes in my case, so it’s likely to do the same with female molecules. Around 500ug Androstenone, a sub-500ug dose of Androsterone, 2.5mcg Epiandrosterone, 500ug Androstanone/P80, and sub-500ug doses of [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) would be good starting points. It’s possible that, with P75 and Androsterone at least, you could go as low as 125ug with good results, but this is only speculation on my part. To top off the mix, I’d suggest 500ug P79 (apparently non-problematic at these low doses) and, naturally, 500ug TAF. You won’t be able to obtain TAF if you’re not a reporting user, but you can still try P114 alternatively in this case, perhaps at 500ug, though I’ve yet to try this low a dose. Higher doses may be problematic in female mixes. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 2:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219/6 "2015-04-23T02:31:52Z")
> [@Ekscentra](#): > > There was MX300, a female version of A314. Whether that mix caused fallout as effectively as A314, I couldn’t say. > > As a base, I’d suggest a combination of P78 @ 15mcg with your preferred doses of TAH and TAL. As always, it’s best to keep it low so as not to be wasteful. > > P96, Beta -nol, TAA, and MeO-EST, the lattermost @ around 15mcg once again, are both excellent additions. Definitely give high-dose alpha -nol (around 200mcg) a shot! This can be found in PXS’ OdysseyXS, or you can use it as a single molecule. > > I’ll second mobo’s suggestion of P93, perhaps @ around 15mcg. P102 is another possibility. P74, though mobo suggested it, I feel unsure about it in female mixes, but it’s definitely worth a shot. > > Though this won’t cause fallout in itself, MeO-NOL @ around 7.5mcg and Androstatrione at the same dose would do nicely to enhance the mix. > > As a more theoretical addition, I’d suggest possibly adding low doses of male molecules to the mix. The reverse of this idea drastically enhanced male mixes in my case, so it’s likely to do the same with female molecules. Around 500ug Androstenone, a sub-500ug dose of Androsterone, 2.5mcg Epiandrosterone, 500ug Androstanone/P80, and sub-500ug doses of P75 would be good starting points. It’s possible that, with P75 and Androsterone at least, you could go as low as 125ug with good results, but this is only speculation on my part. > > To top off the mix, I’d suggest 500ug P79 (apparently non-problematic at these low doses) and, naturally, 500ug TAF. You won’t be able to obtain TAF if you’re not a reporting user, but you can still try P114 alternatively in this case, perhaps at 500ug, though I’ve yet to try this low a dose. Higher doses may be problematic in female mixes. Could you give reasons for some of the suggestions you’ve made? Simply saying “try this” doesn’t tell me why it would enhance a mix. What do p78, beta-nol, meo-est, p79, and p114 do, and why would they help a woman achieve fallout? MX300 would not create fallout the way that A314 does. The reasons that men and women feel attraction is completely different. Women are generally attracted to an alpha male, while men are usually intimidated by an alpha female. When a man adds female-specific mones to a mix, those female mones signal that he’s recently been physical with a woman, and therefore he is desirable to women. When a woman wears male-specific pheromones, that tends to signal more that she possesses masculine characteristics, such as alpha status or androgyny. While some men are into that, it’s certainly not a catch-all. ---
**Author:** ![UFO1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/8dc957/32.png) [@UFO1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/UFO1)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 2:51am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219/7 "2015-04-23T02:51:22Z")
I’ve had a lot of luck with p83 but I’m almost out of it!! ☹ does anyone know if there’s another mix that contains a dose of 83??? ---
**Author:** ![Ekscentra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6bbea6/32.png) [@Ekscentra](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ekscentra)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 9:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219/8 "2015-04-23T21:25:47Z")
> [@Miss\_Dragon](#): > > Could you give reasons for some of the suggestions you’ve made? Simply saying “try this” doesn’t tell me why it would enhance a mix. What do p78, beta-nol, meo-est, p79, and p114 do, and why would they help a woman achieve fallout? > > MX300 would not create fallout the way that A314 does. The reasons that men and women feel attraction is completely different. Women are generally attracted to an alpha male, while men are usually intimidated by an alpha female. > > When a man adds female-specific mones to a mix, those female mones signal that he’s recently been physical with a woman, and therefore he is desirable to women. When a woman wears male-specific pheromones, that tends to signal more that she possesses masculine characteristics, such as alpha status or androgyny. While some men are into that, it’s certainly not a catch-all. What they do in general may not be in line with what they do in a woman, though most of these are exceptions, so I don’t see why not! P78 is a solid base component in any female mix - think the female equivalent of [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) in terms of versatility, though don’t mistake me, they are only vaguely similar. P78 at the doses I typically use (5mcg) causes a more agreeable sexual effect than -enone, as well as adding a dose of comfort akin to MeO-EST, though not quite as cuddly as that molecule. Additionally, there’s a social side to it similar to P74 but more feminine in character. Despite this, I wouldn’t consider it suitable on its own as a social, but rather as part of a larger social mix. Synergy with TAH and TAL are superb. In fact, I believe a combination of these three were used in MX135, MX235, and MX335, the lattermost of which I know you’ve used. You can use that mix for reference, I think. While P78 on its own won’t tend to cause fallout, it’s an excellent choice for a base mix and it does contribute to romance in its own way. Beta -nol I’m sure you already know. It promotes honesty and creates a general deep character in conversations. It often indirectly promotes bonding/romance because of this. I won’t go into too much detail on this one as most of us are highly familiar with this one. MeO-EST is one of my favorite molecules. It’s a cuddly, comforting, and highly romantic molecule, but contrary to the doses typically recommended, I’d suggest keeping it low, about 15mcg being preferred for women, and probably no more than this. How the comfort promoted by MeO-EST differs from that of A1 or P96, I still haven’t determined yet, but it certainly synergizes well with both of these, that much I can say. P79 at a low dose acts as a general amplifier, both in the physical and emotional sense as well as in the sense of amplifying other molecules. At typical doses (2.5-10mcg), its effect is simply too powerful and can cause unpredictable results. At low (500ug or below) doses, it’s more of a low-level amplification, lacking the unpredictability of high doses. I haven’t used this one quite enough, so once again, that’s about all I can say there. P114 seems to be especially difficult to figure out. It’s a focuser not unlike TAF, but there’s this dominating side to it that may not play well with female mixes. Then again it might - I can’t say I’ve seen any female reports on this one. A 500ug dose may work nicely as a direct substitute for TAF. Beyond this, I couldn’t say. As I’m not a woman, I can only guess as to the results in most cases. Hopefully this was helpful enough. I would disagree on the MX300 point. Yes, men tend to be intimidated by alpha females, but the same can be said with women and alpha males. The idea here is to soften up the mix without reducing its effectiveness. This is what P96, for example, does. There are plenty of other ways to do this, but I’ve little more time to post. If you have any other questions, just ask and I’ll do my best to answer them. As to the last point, that’s true if you’re using normal doses, but at high doses, masculine molecules may have an entirely different effect on a female. Androstanone I know has received excellent results from at least one woman who’s tried it, and that was at typical doses, not the 500ug dose suggested here. As to feminine molecules suggesting one having been with another woman, I don’t find this to be the case. In fact, I only find copulins to have this effect on others. Rather, low doses of female molecules tend to project a “dandy” effect when combined with a solid masculine base. This is obviously a highly desirable effect. I don’t see why the same positive results wouldn’t be received by a female. This technique creates a sense of empathy in both parties. Again, it’s certainly worth a shot, but no woman has yet tried microdosing male molecules, and AFAIK, I’m one of less than half a dozen men to attempt to microdose female molecules. It’s really a highly underrated way of improving any mix - just remember to keep the dose low. Less is more! ---
**Author:** ![Ekscentra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6bbea6/32.png) [@Ekscentra](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ekscentra)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2015, 10:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219/9 "2015-04-23T22:44:50Z")
> [@UFO1](#): > > I’ve had a lot of luck with p83 but I’m almost out of it!! ☹ does anyone know if there’s another mix that contains a dose of 83??? Supposedly, all mixes of Androtics contain a (low) dose of [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/). If you’re looking for an alternative, P103 is your best bet. They’re not direct replacements to P83, but they’re as close as you’ll get, and as P83 won’t be available for a few months apparently (bummer), these will hold you over in the meantime, at the very least. ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 5:15pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219/10 "2015-04-26T17:15:39Z")
> [@UFO1](#): > > I use is/a but it doesn’t seem to completely do the trick… I recommend IS/b instead. I like to put it this way: IS/a makes you want to high-five the lady wearing it and shout “you rock!”, IS/b makes you want to give that lady a hug and tell her she’s safe with you. The latter will have a stronger fallout effect, at least for me. It’s supposed to appeal to men’s natural protector instinct. EST is also very helpful; it’s the female counterpart of A1. It will make men feel at ease around you without giving them false hopes of romantic interest (unless you personally feel that interest). ---
**Author:** ![UFO1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/8dc957/32.png) [@UFO1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/UFO1)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 6:34pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219/11 "2015-04-26T18:34:20Z")
I’m a bit skeptical of estratetranol because I feel like if a man perceives that you are pregnant it may stop any sexual desire from happening. I certain aspects of it but I also feel like it has negative effects too, is est the ingredient that makes is/b different from is/a? ---
**Author:** ![TheAttractor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/theattractor/32/575_2.png) [@TheAttractor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheAttractor)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2015, 7:25pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219/12 "2015-04-26T19:25:14Z")
Hmm, I didn’t realize EST was a pregnancy-related [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/). I thought it was just an equivalent of A1, only meant to affect men. I’m not sure about IS/a vs. IS/b differences, like ingredients and such; perhaps other posters will chime in and answer that. ---
**Author:** ![Ekscentra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/6bbea6/32.png) [@Ekscentra](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ekscentra)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 12:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219/13 "2015-04-27T00:49:40Z")
I thought Estratetraenol was TAH at some point, but now I feel this isn’t the case. As to a man perceiving you might be pregnant? That’s really not a realistic concern - it just doesn’t happen! It’s a very effective molecule however, akin to A1 as TheAttractor mentioned, but what he didn’t mention is that it works equally well on both genders despite being an Estrogen-based molecule. It can even replace A1 on its own, though I’d consider P96 to be somewhat better in this respect. Still, it looks like since Estratetraenol is likely not TAH, one could experiment in combining the two. Beta Androstanol is not, as I thought, TAL either, though all four all useful molecules in a fallout mix, in the proper ratios. As this has never been done before, I can’t be sure as to what these ratios might be, but I’d expect just 2.5-5mcg of Beta -stanol to be adequate, along with 15+mcg TAH and TAL, 15+mcg P78, 15mcg MeO-EST, and perhaps 7.5mcg MeO-NOL if you like. I’m curious as to how P95 might fare in a fallout mix as well, and its potential synergy or lack thereof with P96. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Dragon](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/miss_dragon/32/866_2.png) [@Miss\_Dragon](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Miss_Dragon)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2015, 2:00am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219/15 "2015-04-27T02:00:10Z")
> [@TheAttractor](#): > > I recommend IS/b instead. I like to put it this way: IS/a makes you want to high-five the lady wearing it and shout “you rock!”, IS/b makes you want to give that lady a hug and tell her she’s safe with you. Umm…have you really been around a woman who was wearing IS/A? I have NEVER been high-fived while wearing it. I got a few “I want to jump your bones” stare-downs, but they weren’t saying that I rock. They said they wanted to rock me. ---
**Author:** ![UFO1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/8dc957/32.png) [@UFO1](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/UFO1)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2015, 9:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219/16 "2015-04-30T21:43:20Z")
Actually the EST was a good call, it really brings things to the next level, like a relationship going from a simple crush to real feelings with depth. I don’t know if it has a lasting effect yet but I’ll keep an update. I like EST mixed with alpha-nol is a good combo for sure. I want to experiment with more putitives and see If I can’t make a mix that has the punch I’m looking for ---
**Author:** ![WantingMrGrey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b5e925/32.png) [@WantingMrGrey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WantingMrGrey)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2015, 3:49am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219/17 "2015-06-21T03:49:47Z")
So would you say it’s best to mix all of these mones together at once? That [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) sounds really good… Is it best paired with ih or would a is be good with it? What was so great about the p83? ---
**Author:** ![Ekscentra\_temp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e480ec/32.png) [@Ekscentra\_temp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ekscentra_temp)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 12:47pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219/18 "2015-06-22T12:47:02Z")
> [@WantingMrGrey](#): > > So would you say it’s best to mix all of these mones together at once? That P74 sounds really good… Is it best paired with ih or would a is be good with it? What was so great about the p83? Well, since Androtics has decided not to help fix my other account, I’ll go ahead and reply with this one. Oh well 😉 P74, IS, and IH is a solid combo - I use almost the same combo in the form of MX351 from time to time. As for [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/), it’s a disinhibitor. P83, while not doing much in itself, opens up the responses to whatever you’re wearing, in effect enhancing one’s entire mix. It can’t possibly be overstated how important this is. ---
**Author:** ![WantingMrGrey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b5e925/32.png) [@WantingMrGrey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WantingMrGrey)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 1:14pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219/19 "2015-06-22T13:14:43Z")
Awesome so I def think I will add some p74 to my list. Now if only I could get my hands on some of that p83 that would be awesome. I was told there was some in stock a couple days ago when I went to check it was gone again… Hopefully they bring some more out. Sounds like p83 would match perfectly with is/b or is/a, I wonder what it and if it would do anything with copulins ---
**Author:** ![Ekscentra\_temp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e480ec/32.png) [@Ekscentra\_temp](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Ekscentra_temp)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 1:23pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219/20 "2015-06-22T13:23:37Z")
> [@WantingMrGrey](#): > > Awesome so I def think I will add some p74 to my list. Now if only I could get my hands on some of that p83 that would be awesome. I was told there was some in stock a couple days ago when I went to check it was gone again… Hopefully they bring some more out. > > Sounds like p83 would match perfectly with is/b or is/a, I wonder what it and if it would do anything with copulins I’ve been using P103 in the meantime and it’s worked out nicely - you might take a look at that one. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![WantingMrGrey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b5e925/32.png) [@WantingMrGrey](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/WantingMrGrey)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2015, 2:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219/21 "2015-06-22T14:20:44Z")
Is it almost the same as the 83? [Next page](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-mix-for-a-woman/64219.md?page=2)