# Fallout Without A314 and P83? **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 1, 2013, 1:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-without-a314-and-p83/60405 "2013-11-01T13:56:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 1:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-without-a314-and-p83/60405/1 "2013-11-01T13:56:24Z")
Well, my purchase date of November 11 is right around the corner. I am now wondering if there will even be any A314 and [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) to try a super fallout. Anyone know of a way to produce a complete and utter fallout without those two? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![still18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@still18](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/still18)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 2:00pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-without-a314-and-p83/60405/2 "2013-11-01T14:00:50Z")
> [@Crucible](#): > > Well, my purchase date of November 11 is right around the corner. I am now wondering if there will even be any A314 and P83 to try a super fallout. Anyone know of a way to produce a complete and utter fallout without those two? > > Thanks. I have A314 for sale, I can throw in a free P83 or [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) to-go if you want. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 2:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-without-a314-and-p83/60405/3 "2013-11-01T14:05:18Z")
> [@still18](#): > > I have A314 for sale, I can throw in a free P83 or P74 to-go if you want. Won’t be ready to buy until the 11th, but yeah. What is the mcg of the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) and is the A314 oil? Also, why are you letting it go? ---
**Author:** ![still18](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/34f0e0/32.png) [@still18](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/still18)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 2:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-without-a314-and-p83/60405/4 "2013-11-01T14:11:46Z")
> [@Crucible](#): > > Won’t be ready to buy until the 11th, but yeah. What is the mcg of the P83 and is the A314 oil? Also, why are you letting it go? The [P83](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p83/) is 8.33mcg/spray transferred from a 10mcg bottle. A314 is the oil version, I’m not using it that much and I OD easily on it, it is quite strong in effects. 1-2 drops is my maximum. I’m not sure about the Rev. version as it not mentioned on the label. The oil is a bit thick and takes a while to come out and is a bit herbal smelling. It is was first A314 bottle so I have nothing to compare it to. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 8:43pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-without-a314-and-p83/60405/5 "2013-11-01T20:43:20Z")
So, I take it there is no fallout without A314 ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 8:57pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-without-a314-and-p83/60405/6 "2013-11-01T20:57:13Z")
No, A314 is an important fallout product that can be useful all by itself or in combos but it is far from the only fallout product/combo. Its the [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) that’s much less useful - other than a physical/emotional disinhibitor that can help a developing fallout manifest itself more easily, or help trip an emotionally-engaged fallout into full-on physical/emotional. However there are plenty of other fallout combos that don’t involve either - go back over your thread from last week and Kotov’s. You got plenty of suggestions there. Remember, if a woman won’t respond well to A314, she is highly unlikely to develop fallout from it - except in maybe the least productive/positive ways, so you need to choose a mix that reflects your personality and her’s best - and that’s not always going to be A314 based. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2013, 9:21pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-without-a314-and-p83/60405/7 "2013-11-01T21:21:14Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > No, A314 is an important fallout product that can be useful all by itself or in combos but it is far from the only fallout product/combo. > > Its the P83 that’s much less useful - other than a physical/emotional disinhibitor that can help a developing fallout manifest itself more easily, or help trip an emotionally-engaged fallout into full-on physical/emotional. > > However there are plenty of other fallout combos that don’t involve either - go back over your thread from last week and Kotov’s. You got plenty of suggestions there. > > Remember, if a woman won’t respond well to A314, she is highly unlikely to develop fallout from it - except in maybe the least productive/positive ways, so you need to choose a mix that reflects your personality and her’s best - and that’s not always going to be A314 based. Very good then. The only issue is I cannot seem to you past pages for some odd reason. I will try again. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 7:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-without-a314-and-p83/60405/8 "2013-11-02T07:46:32Z")
Here they are: > [@A1 for a fallout mix: is Cohesion a good source, or is there a better route?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a1-question/60321): > > Getting ready to create a fallout mix, so I know that A1 is important. I do not want to mix my own so I have considered Cohesion. Is it any good in a fallout or does someone have another route I could take? > [@Nuclear Fallout: Building a Pheremone WMD](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/nuclear-fallout-building-a-pheremone-wmd/42789): > > Comrades, I have been occupied these last few days perfecting a very special weapon in the Great Pheremone Arms Race. While members of this forum continue to brew mixes for meeting and attracting fine young ladies in social settings, I have taken it upon myself to pursure a slightly different kind of mix. Something catering to the less, shall we say, “sportsman like” sentimentality? A brew not meant to be wielded by soldiers on the front lines, storming bars and classrooms to chalk up a wanton … > [@Fallout. Finally, a report from a Woman's perspective](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-finally-a-report-from-a-womans-perspective/60187): > > I posted this in my journal, but felt that it was too good to hide from the folks who don’t browse the journals. If you’re interested in the back story between me and my target “M”, read back a few posts in the Journal to see how things have progressed. Long story short, I’ve been subjecting her to 2 drops a314 every day for the past six weeks, and certain days I’ll top off with some AMMO in the afternoons, or combine it with IH, p74, or IS. I vary the layering depending on the mood of the da… > [@A314 Users: Have you experienced "Fallout"?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-users-have-you-experienced-fallout/33690): > > This is a quote by MHarris: "I’ll explain “fallout” in more detail: women tend to want typical [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) users all for themselves. It’s truly a “this is my man” type of mix, when used for attraction. [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) can attract some amazing women to you, normally out of reach women – no doubt – but it comes with a price normally. That price is often ownership of your soul." Essentially, Harris says that when a man who wears A314 starts getting closer with a women(physically/emotionally) it causes women to wan… Also worth a look: > [@The most potent Fallout mix possible?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/the-most-potent-fallout-mix-possible/60194): > > Hey everyone Been a while since I posted! In a sticky situation and trying to get this girl back after messing things up with her. She’s finally agreed to meet up with me after 2 months of no meeting up and not much communication. I hadn’t drank in over a year, went overboard (Tequila, Whiskey, Vodka, Beer) and was pretty smashed. I sent her some dumb texts, like asking her to be my FWB, etc. She now thinks I only want her for the sex so she’s acting cold and not very interested in speaking to… `http://www.pheromonetalk.com/p75-p74-ih-power-possibilities-63635.html` > [@Fallout is in full effect](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-is-in-full-effect/42729): > > My girl is in full fallout mode thanks to A314 and IH. In less than a few months I’ve gone from despised and can’t be trusted to being the father of her future child.smiley She slipped that one in on me during a text conversation yesterday morning. I was making a comment and stated…“my baby’s always included…” the rest is not important but when I said my baby I was referring to her which she knew and her response… “Of course she is, when I have her.”:open\_mouth: Life is good in my end of … > [@What is the "fallout effect"?](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/what-is-the-fallout-effect/41433): > > I read a few posts about a fallout effect. Can someone explain in full detail of what that is? And how [pheromone](https://a314.com/) plays a part in that ? Blackadam71 > [@a314 + A1 + IH = Feelings rusher slight\_smile](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/a314-a1-ih-feelings-rusher/37279): > > Well I have to say, I tryied this concotion to a very imporante talk and it was perfect. For people who have important talks, are in very problematic situations with the loved ones, people who are in the “friend” zone with someone who have some feelings for you. This is perfect mix. I used: 2 drops of a314. 2 drops fo a1 of a 10ml/10mg bottle. 4 sprays of IHx2 . It was the perfect conversation I wanted to have. It was everything I could hope, for. It isnt a instant girlfriend mix, but it … The page listing may be shot but our own profile searches and title search seems to be working FTM. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 9:50am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-without-a314-and-p83/60405/9 "2013-11-02T09:50:43Z")
All of these feature A314. The very ingrediant we may not have by my order date. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 9:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-without-a314-and-p83/60405/10 "2013-11-02T09:57:30Z")
Yes but a lot of them can also substitute with other combos depending on the situation. Notably IH/[P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/), or A1. Perhaps we need an A314-free fallout thread to offset the fixation and maybe it will turn-up a few more useful combos? ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 10:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-without-a314-and-p83/60405/11 "2013-11-02T10:02:40Z")
Believe me, I may just need it in the case we cannot get anymore A314 in time. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 10:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-without-a314-and-p83/60405/12 "2013-11-02T10:07:00Z")
From your other thread, IH/[P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) would look like the next primary mix with the most potential and a small amount of P75 would add substance/presence in all the right ways - and be well usable at work. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 10:14am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-without-a314-and-p83/60405/13 "2013-11-02T10:14:59Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > From your other thread, IH/P74 would look like the next primary mix with the most potential and a small amount of P75 would add substance/presence in all the right ways - and be well usable at work. So, IH, P74, and [P75](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p75/) is a good fallout mixture. Would Cohesion still be a good addition and would there be any other purchases I would need? How should as I spray? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 10:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-without-a314-and-p83/60405/14 "2013-11-02T10:25:45Z")
IH/[P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) is the primary fallout combo - P75 is a secondary to add masculine presence with fewer of the issues that can affect none in the workplace. Cohesion will go but i would tend to use one or the other because they are are similar in some ways - IH/P74 is a decent alternative to A1 if you get the downers from it. You will certainly need P75 **and** none in the mix if you use both because P74 and A1 in a mix together is a very effective moderator and you risk things being just too friendly if you don’t have a pretty punchy sexual to offset it. Keep the P74 below 30mcg is about the only thing to really watch ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 11:02am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-without-a314-and-p83/60405/15 "2013-11-02T11:02:35Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > IH/P74 is the primary fallout combo - P75 is a secondary to add masculine presence with fewer of the issues that can affect none in the workplace. > > Cohesion will go but i would tend to use one or the other because they are are similar in some ways - IH/P74 is a decent alternative to A1 if you get the downers from it. > > You will certainly need P75 **and** none in the mix if you use both because P74 and A1 in a mix together is a very effective moderator and you risk things being just too friendly if you don’t have a pretty punchy sexual to offset it. > > Keep the P74 below 30mcg is about the only thing to really watch I think I am beginning to understand. IH and [P74](https://pheromonelabs.com/product/p74/) are the main fallout ingredient. P75 makes it more masculaine. Keep P74 below 30mcg means buy it at 10-20mcgs or if I have it at 10mcg only spray it twice? So A314 just makes it even more powerful. How about IS, TUTH, and AMMO. Are any needed? ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 11:44am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-without-a314-and-p83/60405/16 "2013-11-02T11:44:46Z")
More or less, yes. P75 will take it a bit on the way to the status/masculine aspects that A314 would give. Not so much makes it more powerful fallout-wise, more that A314 would bring its own properties/qualities to the mix but even without A314, IH/P74 is an effective fallout combo all by itself and in some situations it could be better without A314 as not all women will respond so well to it. Yes, 10mcg is a good starter concentration for P74 and 2-3 spray is what you need unless you have a fair bit of overt none in the mix. The right amount of P74 is fantastic for bonding/“boyfriending” but too much will get you friendzoned. I’ll rarely go over 40mcg in a mix now and only then with a fairly hefty dose of something like TUTH, NPA or IJ to offset its friendly inclinations. In a more social/work context mix, 15-30 is more the thing. All those are usable for steering in appropriate situations but I’d avoid [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) altogether unless its just one spray for scent - you don’t need its alphanol and IH/P74 are good moderators that will balance sensible amounts of TUTH even in a work mix. ---
**Author:** ![Crucible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/5f8ce5/32.png) [@Crucible](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Crucible)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2013, 12:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-without-a314-and-p83/60405/17 "2013-11-02T12:48:58Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > More or less, yes. > > P75 will take it a bit on the way to the status/masculine aspects that A314 would give. > > Not so much makes it more powerful fallout-wise, more that A314 would bring its own properties/qualities to the mix but even without A314, IH/P74 is an effective fallout combo all by itself and in some situations it could be better without A314 as not all women will respond so well to it. > > Yes, 10mcg is a good starter concentration for P74 and 2-3 spray is what you need unless you have a fair bit of overt none in the mix. The right amount of P74 is fantastic for bonding/“boyfriending” but too much will get you friendzoned. I’ll rarely go over 40mcg in a mix now and only then with a fairly hefty dose of something like TUTH, NPA or IJ to offset its friendly inclinations. In a more social/work context mix, 15-30 is more the thing. > > All those are usable for steering in appropriate situations but I’d avoid Ammo altogether unless its just one spray for scent - you don’t need its alphanol and IH/P74 are good moderators that will balance sensible amounts of TUTH even in a work mix. WOW!!! That’s broken down in a way I have never understood before. THANKS!!! ---
**Author:** ![monesmadedoit](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/monesmadedoit/32/325_2.png) [@monesmadedoit](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/monesmadedoit)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2013, 12:39pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-without-a314-and-p83/60405/18 "2013-11-05T12:39:41Z")
P75 + [P74](https://a314.com/product/p74/) does work for fallout. Slightly more challenging. Add about 1.25 mcg of -eNone to send a sexual suitor rather than friendly suitor message. About .75 mcg seems to be the minimum None that young women recognize as a sexual indicator. 1.25 is quite a clear signal that even cougars sniff out. It’s what I’d call the daytime or safe for work dose. Experiment with a 1.25 spray some time and see how adding sprays changes the IOI with each spray. You can even make a .75 spray and increase the Heat so subtly as the fallout kicks in and the None sneaks in under the friendly 74. 75 is the climate / environment / bad diffusion buster. It gets across (sometimes extra 314 spray or oil will) when others won’t. Yards of distance. Some of you newbie male or female customers…if you’re not getting hits…my tests were _always **poor** outdoors, open patios, big open spaces, mall_s. Find a cozy environment indoors. You’ll see better results. Cars. Living rooms. Cafes. Bedrooms, offices, classrooms. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2013, 5:16pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fallout-without-a314-and-p83/60405/19 "2013-11-06T17:16:03Z")
A314 and [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) are showing as back in stock for me just now.