# Favourite Two/Three Mix Combos

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**Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\
**Created:** [January 15, 2007, 11:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favourite-two-three-mix-combos/1602 "2007-01-15T23:36:32Z")\
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**Author:** ![NZBond-007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/6a8cbe/32.png) [@NZBond-007](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NZBond-007)\
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Hi everyone,

I was wondering what everyones favourite combos (mixing two or three products) are for the various situations?

1. Dating
2. Workplace
3. Clubbing

I think it would be quite useful as well to compare what everyones favourites are in relation to their age range.

In addition to consider what volume is applied and for each product where they find the best application points are e.g i have been reading that perhaps Open Honesty may be best sprayed on the back of the neck to avoid affecting the wearer as much.

I understand everyone reacts differently, but it may give an insight for new users.

I am considering the following purchases. What are your thoughts?

Dating = Instant Openness + Instant Shine + [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) (Covered with Cologne)

Workplace = A314 + Instant Shine + Instant Openness (Covered with Cologne)

Clubbing = Ammunition + Instant Shine (No Cologne coverage).

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**Post date:** [January 16, 2007, 12:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favourite-two-three-mix-combos/1602/2 "2007-01-16T00:01:04Z")

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I have a genral mix that I taylor to the situation.

1 drop a314  
3 sprays of shine  
7.5-50mcg alpha androstenol  
7.5-25mcg beta androstenol  
I blend the androstenols to act as either instant openness (alpha over beta), instant honesty (beta over alpha), or come talk to me 2 (50/50)

I get the higher doses of alpha -nol by using spaceland which has herbs in it.

Somtimes I use 2 sprays of mx207-212 and not add additional alpha androstenol, I also cut back the instant shine to 1 spray to not overload on TAA

Pretty all perpose. I’d add a 1 more a314 for work, and go low on the androstenol

Dating i’d keep it mid level androstenol levels and set it up to be 3:1 alpha:beta  
2nd date i’d use more beta than alpha, or perhaps 50/50.

clubs I use 1-2 drops a314, high on the -nol, and 3 sprays of shine.  
If I use the mx207-212, it’s normaly 3 sprays + some beta -nol + 2 pick additional Shine sprays 4 hours after initial application.

When I get my P79 and [P83](https://a314.com/product/p83/) those will go into the dating mix, and Most definately the club mix. Higher doses at the club of course.

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**Post date:** [January 16, 2007, 7:55pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favourite-two-three-mix-combos/1602/3 "2007-01-16T19:55:29Z")

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Work:  
2 sprays MX172 + 4-6 sprays MX136 in the morning…refreshed w/ 1 spray MX172 + 2 sprays MX136 midday.

I’ve also had good results w/ P74 (~ 20 mu) + EST (\< 1 mu)

I no longer use P79 at work because it seems to make indecisive customers extremely agitated.

Relationships:  
2 [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) + 2 IS + 2 drops A314 for monthly distress

10 - 20 mu P79 to heat things up

1-2 MX172 + 2-6 MX136 for sparking attraction/this is a very “crushy” mix

Clubs:

Okay I rarely go to clubs anymore, but I have a couple of times lately w/ some of my female entourage from work…yes, it appears that I may have some “groupies”. lol

2 MX172 + 4 MX136 + 2 MX200 - this mix got me very good results. We had a blast…some sexual talk, lots of laughter and IOIs from various women in the club.

Okay this next mix is far more than just 2 or 3 products, but worth mentioning nonetheless.

2 MX172 + 2 each MX136-140 + 2 MX177 + 2 MX178 + 2 MX200 - this was an unreal night. Went to a club where I used to work, having left on less than good terms. A girl (Jess) that had always acted kinda interested in me ran up, practically jumped on me and gave me a HUGE hug…she actually said that I looked “beautiful” (her words, not mine)…it was probably my suit (which several ppl asked if it was Armani, lately lol). The manager constantly doted on us, making sure we were happy, fetching our drinks if he noticed that we were waiting on them. Did I forget to mention the comps? Keep in mind that this manager was a major reason for leaving and we’ve had our run ins.

All the girls I ran into (former coworkers) made a point to hug me…this would never have happened before. An Asian girl sitting at the next table couldn’t seem to take her eyes off me…she was w/ her bf too. lol

All the guys that I used to work w/ treated me like I was a celeb or something.

This was a definite VIP night.

Oh, back to Jess…she had said that she was waiting for her bf to come pick her up after her shift. Apparently he was blatantly blowing her off and when she had said something about it, I casually stated that perhaps she could find a better man then went on w/ my business. About an hour later, she’s on the phone breaking up w/ him and saying that she deserves more and could do better…yada, yada. She tried to get a “ride home” from me, but I had ridden w/ someone else and so she declined.

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**Author:** ![sigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dec6dc/32.png) [@sigma](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/sigma)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 1:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favourite-two-three-mix-combos/1602/4 "2007-01-17T01:06:18Z")

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ok to keep things more simple and new user friendly…here’s what I would recommend.

Dating: [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) + Instant Honesty

-Instant Honesty will make her feel more open and ‘like herself’ with you. She’ll open herself up to you more quickly than she normally would. Instant Female Magic will promote a strong bond with you. She’ll feel closer and look more favorably of you. MAYBE add a bit of Turn Up The Heat to add a slight sexual spice. Enough to keep things interesting, but not too much that its overbearing.

Work: A314 + IH + IS

-A314 will promote a vibe of respect and competency. People will look more highly of you. Instant Honesty will make people open up to you more quickly, and quickly establish rapport with people. Instant Shine will add a charismatic, lively note. Creates a sort of magnetism

-Clubbing: Ammunition as a standalone

or

Instant Openness + IS + TUTH

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**Author:** ![NZBond-007](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/6a8cbe/32.png) [@NZBond-007](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/NZBond-007)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 1:35am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favourite-two-three-mix-combos/1602/5 "2007-01-17T01:35:46Z")

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Sigma, do you use fragrance to cover the [pheromones](https://pheromonelabs.com/shop/) or go commando?

Any tips on whether particular products are better applied to certain points? E.g spraying further away to avoid effects on the wearer?

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**Author:** ![examine](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/examine/32/1665_2.png) [@examine](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/examine)\
**Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 1:42am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favourite-two-three-mix-combos/1602/6 "2007-01-17T01:42:08Z")

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113 + 131 for all the above.

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**Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 8:59pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favourite-two-three-mix-combos/1602/7 "2007-01-17T20:59:04Z")

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> [@examine](#):
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> 113 + 131 for all the above.

I use the search function a lot to look for older posts about the MX series. So if you would use the format of “MX113” etc. (not just the numbers), as MHarris has suggested, that would help!

Thanks 🙂

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**Post date:** [January 17, 2007, 9:51pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favourite-two-three-mix-combos/1602/8 "2007-01-17T21:51:12Z")

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For work, I like SOE (or my roll my own clone 4 'nol 1 'rone ratio) with a dash of A-1 (for the women folk). For dates I usually increase the before mentioned dose and spike it with a few drops NPA or chemset 'none. If I know the woman well, I may sub beta nol for alpha as it makes for deeper conversation and less giggles.

I have about a dozen variatons of my tried 'n true fav combos premixed with colognes in atomizers. I keep several in my briefcase at ready. It’s too much bother to carry individual components on the road…

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**Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 2:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favourite-two-three-mix-combos/1602/9 "2007-01-18T02:21:13Z")

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> [@NZBond-007](#):
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> Sigma, do you use fragrance to cover the pheromones or go commando?
> 
> Any tips on whether particular products are better applied to certain points? E.g spraying further away to avoid effects on the wearer?

I tend to cover with a fragrance of choice. Currently using 360 Red by Perry Ellis.

Typically you want to keep IFM and maybe IH away from your face, IO, IS, and perhaps ammo somewhere closer. I always apply at pulse points to help with diffusion. Wrists, behind the near, side of the neck, etc etc

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**Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 3:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favourite-two-three-mix-combos/1602/10 "2007-01-18T03:07:09Z")

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> [@sigma](#):
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> I tend to cover with a fragrance of choice. Currently using 360 Red by Perry Ellis.
> 
> Typically you want to keep Instant Female Magic and maybe Instant Honesty away from your face, Instant Openness, IS, and perhaps ammo somewhere closer. I always apply at pulse points to help with diffusion. Wrists, behind the near, side of the neck, etc etc

For someone my age, approximately how many sprays of ammunition would avoid an OD in a club environment, but still be effective?

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**Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 3:34am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favourite-two-three-mix-combos/1602/11 "2007-01-18T03:34:05Z")

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I’d assume you could wear more than somebody that is 18-24 where 1 spray is probably the best and the younger you get less, but since you are 26 you could probably handle 2 sprays. But that would depend on who you are trying to attract. younger than you 1 spray, same age 1-2, older 2-3 (probably 2 though you don’t want to end up looking overly sexual) 30’s 3 sprays

My best guess is that turn up the heat is almost linear to decades of age with the exception of people in their early twenties. aka 30 3 sprays 40 4 sprays 50 5 sprays.

Somebody please check me on this. It’s all assumtions and you know what they say.

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**Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 4:25am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favourite-two-three-mix-combos/1602/12 "2007-01-18T04:25:42Z")

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2-3 sprays. I’m 23, and thats about ideal for me. Of course this is purely speculative…there are a number of different factors that affect how much Ammunition is ideal. Best bet is to experiment with different amounts until you find a ‘sweet spot’ that brings out the best results. It should also be noted that my experience with Ammunition is limited to an older batch, which was heavier on the androstenone.

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**Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 8:06am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favourite-two-three-mix-combos/1602/13 "2007-01-18T08:06:02Z")

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> [@Sunny](#):
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> I use the search function a lot to look for older posts about the MX series. So if you would use the format of “MX113” etc. (not just the numbers), as MHarris has suggested, that would help!
> 
> Thanks 🙂

no prob.

PMX113-PMX116 Akuto Series

PMX131 is a thomas special, something he created around A314, i dont think you can find this mix.

PMX113 and [Instant Female Magic](https://a314.com/product/instant-female-magic/) (3:3) works GREAT. and counters the male side effect.🆒

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**Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 9:36am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favourite-two-three-mix-combos/1602/14 "2007-01-18T09:36:07Z")

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> [@examine](#):
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> no prob.
> 
> PMX113-PMX116 Akuto Series
> 
> PMX131 is a thomas special, something he created around A314, i dont think you can find this mix.
> 
> PMX113 and Instant Female Magic (3:3) works GREAT. and counters the male side effect.🆒

What difference does the MX113 have over the standard A314? Also out of curiosity, how many sprays do you get out of the togo size bottles?

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**Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 1:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favourite-two-three-mix-combos/1602/15 "2007-01-18T13:36:31Z")

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> [@NZBond-007](#):
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> For someone my age, approximately how many sprays of ammunition would avoid an OD in a club environment, but still be effective?

Don’t be too worried about a mild OD in clubs…it can actually be pretty effective…drunk girls will tend to be drawn to you. A good rule of thumb is to notice the distance at which you are getting hits. That is, if you see lots of IOIs from more than 10’, then you probably have a mild OD. Now if you are getting hits from across the room, then you definitely have a major OD happening. The only downside I’ve seen from a mild OD is the risk of other guys getting “second hand” hits…you may have heard of the socalled “Social Hookup Theory”.

Another rather reliable rule of thumb is to take note of the age of the women you are attracting…it seems as if the higher the anone dose, the more you tend to attract older women (30+).

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**Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 2:02pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favourite-two-three-mix-combos/1602/16 "2007-01-18T14:02:24Z")

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> [@toilofday](#):
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> I’d assume you could wear more than somebody that is 18-24 where 1 spray is probably the best and the younger you get less, but since you are 26 you could probably handle 2 sprays. But that would depend on who you are trying to attract. younger than you 1 spray, same age 1-2, older 2-3 (probably 2 though you don’t want to end up looking overly sexual) 30’s 3 sprays
> 
> My best guess is that turn up the heat is almost linear to decades of age with the exception of people in their early twenties. aka 30 3 sprays 40 4 sprays 50 5 sprays.
> 
> Somebody please check me on this. It’s all assumtions and you know what they say.

While that would seem like a pretty logical assumption, like so many things, reality isn’t always congruent w/ theories or “logic”…or it could merely be that all factors aren’t considered. In my case, 2 sprays of Turn Up The Heat can produce an OD and I’m 42 yo. However, you must consider the factors involved in my particular situation. While at my age normal Androstenone production is greatly diminished, I have been taking DHEA supps for a couple of years and, at this point, my Androstenone production is probably “abnormally” high for my age. I am very likely producing pheromones much more like I would have in my 20s. It had been quite a while since I had to deal things like spontaneous erections and acne. lol 🙄

These days I rarely go to clubs anymore, so Androstenone isn’t appropriate in most contexts. So what could be a perfectly acceptable dose for clubbing wouldn’t necessarily be true in day to day life. Be mindful of the context in which you plan to use your pheromones. I did go to a club recently. The only Androstenone I used was the little bit that’s in MX178, MX200 and A314. I was very please w/ the results. I posted about it in another thread…sorry I don’t recall which one.

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**Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 3:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favourite-two-three-mix-combos/1602/17 "2007-01-18T15:44:30Z")

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> [@NZBond-007](#):
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> What difference does the MX113 have over the standard A314? Also out of curiosity, how many sprays do you get out of the togo size bottles?

do you mean mx131?

from what i know theres a bunch of putatives to buffer some effects. the only person that can really answer that for you is thomas.

as for myself, i use 3-4 sprays of each.

lately

3 sprays 113, 3 sprays of 131, 4 sprays of IFM, 4 drops of TAA oil (20mgs)–seem to be doing great for everday wear. the 131 appeals to the slightly older crowd, theres almost a fun, young charismatic james bond in the mix. remove the 131 and its romantically fun if that makes any sense.

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**Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 8:36pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favourite-two-three-mix-combos/1602/18 "2007-01-18T20:36:04Z")

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> [@Scottie2Hottie](#):
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> Don’t be too worried about a mild OD in clubs…it can actually be pretty effective…drunk girls will tend to be drawn to you. A good rule of thumb is to notice the distance at which you are getting hits. That is, if you see lots of IOIs from more than 10’, then you probably have a mild OD. Now if you are getting hits from across the room, then you definitely have a major OD happening. The only downside I’ve seen from a mild OD is the risk of other guys getting “second hand” hits…you may have heard of the socalled “Social Hookup Theory”.
> 
> Another rather reliable rule of thumb is to take note of the age of the women you are attracting…it seems as if the higher the Androstenone dose, the more you tend to attract older women (30+).

Thanks Scottie. So i guess the idea is to spray a couple of times and work up from that if need be? A314 or Ammunition will not specifically target older women? Or can it be effective on women slightly younger than myself? How effective are the [social pheromones](https://a314.com/product-category/social-pheromones/) such as instant shine in a club setting? This may sound like a silly question, but if i apply fragrance over the pheromones, does it diminish their effectiveness?

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**Post date:** [January 18, 2007, 9:42pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favourite-two-three-mix-combos/1602/19 "2007-01-18T21:42:47Z")

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A314 is a status pheromone mix. status can be sexy at any age. This is a rather business professional pheromone though. To much and you will be seen as standoffish and hard to aproach. 1 drop does wonders. 2 if you are going to be very professional. 3 if you need to command attention. 4 is just to much for most everybody.

ammunition is designed to facilitate sexuality, but to much scare off the younger girls and target the older ones.

Instant shine make you and everybody around you feel good. It also give you a vibrant, healthy, youthful apearance. (Good in every situation, especialy clubs.) It can help you be a social center which makes you the alpha and more sexualy apealing.

Puting a frangrance on may hamper or help. It depends on how it difuses. Most of the products are scented with neroli (orange oil) to help set and disperse the pheromones. It tends to make them more effective and last longer. If you get to heavy of an oil it won’t let them disperse as well.

You shouldn’t have a problem with it. If you are concerned just put the cover scent on a different part of your body, then you don’t evenhave to worry about it.

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**Post date:** [January 19, 2007, 11:01am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/favourite-two-three-mix-combos/1602/20 "2007-01-19T11:01:31Z")

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What are the differences between ammunition and turn up the heat?