# Fights and Aggression **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [May 25, 2009, 8:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fights-and-aggression/29265 "2009-05-25T08:11:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TheGodfather](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegodfather/32/1812_2.png) [@TheGodfather](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheGodfather)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 8:11am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fights-and-aggression/29265/1 "2009-05-25T08:11:48Z")
It’s been about a year since I found this place and purchased some products. I really don’t think [pheromones](https://a314.com/) have helped me. If these products do have any real effects, the only effects I have experienced have been aggression from my male friends. While wearing TUTH alone: - I notice no change in female interaction towards me. - Friends become noticeably more aggressive and challenging towards me - I am challenged frequently in conversation regarding the validity of statements etc. This almost always leads to a crazy argument about the most mundane topic and who is right and wrong. - This almost always leads to an aggressive verbal fight while we all try to protect our pride. - I seem to get more aggressive myself, sometimes overreacting to minor comments, and assuming the worst in people’s intentions. NOTE: In all these cases my friends and I were under the influence of alcohol. Also note that I may naturally be perceived as a dominant, arrogant type male who other males wish to contradict and overpower to get the “top dog” position. for some reason some of the biggest baddest mother truckers I know (get more girls, better looking etc) seem to be threatened by me and its really affecting my social life. Having said all this regarding my personality, I just feel that the pheromones are making it worst. I am usually aware that when I make certain comments that they could possibly piss a male friend off, and I am prepared for his reaction. In the case of the pheromone events, it seemed to be them getting aggressive first, and in turn making me quickly aggressive after. Help? ---
**Author:** ![TheGodfather](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegodfather/32/1812_2.png) [@TheGodfather](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheGodfather)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 8:13am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fights-and-aggression/29265/2 "2009-05-25T08:13:18Z")
I guess I should clarify: From what I can remember, I experience these effects with 2 sprays or more of TUTH with NO other pheromones. ---
**Author:** ![Rattlesnake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Rattlesnake](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Rattlesnake)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 9:22am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fights-and-aggression/29265/3 "2009-05-25T09:22:14Z")
Hi there, seems like you’ve already got the ‘Alpha’ vibe going pretty well for you. IMO you need Instant shine/openess. This will firstly help reduce the agressiveness (Shine) and secondly make you more approachable from females. I’ve had the same problem with with male agression when overloading on straight none. Have you tried [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/)? ---
**Author:** ![Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gone_with_the_wind/32/2227_2.png) [@Gone\_with\_the\_Wind](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Gone_with_the_Wind)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 11:31am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fights-and-aggression/29265/4 "2009-05-25T11:31:20Z")
This is exactly the reaction to be expected for your age and what you’re wearing. That is the very reason young males wanting to start off with tuth are advised to start with other products. anone can inspire agression, especially when worn by a young male. It can also inspire other people to ignore you. You might try some products that will tone down your natural anone signature. IG is based on a male [pheromone](https://a314.com/) that will not inspire agression. rone . IO will make you easier to talk to and less threatening. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fights-and-aggression/29265/5 "2009-05-25T14:05:18Z")
> [@](#): > > From what I can remember, I experience these effects with 2 sprays or more of TUTH with NO other pheromones. If you did your research you would no this is normal for a 20 year old. TUTH comes on aggressive and strong and should only be used in a sexual environment and if your a young healthy male in low doses. If 2 is to much use 1. If you want to buffer the aggression of TUTH then use IO or IH with it at a 3 to 1 ratio. The signaling of male aggression and intimidation and repelling of women means your in the OD effect common with younger males and Anone products. We are here to help you and all the answers are right here at your finger tips. There are many different mones then just TUTH and Anone. This is why we ask all these questions in the intro section about personality traits and how you interact with others. The mones will work for you, you just need to learn how use them properly. have you used any of the other products? If so which ones and at how much ? ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 2:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fights-and-aggression/29265/6 "2009-05-25T14:40:42Z")
> [@TheGodfather](#): > > It’s been about a year since I found this place and purchased some products. > > I really don’t think pheromones have helped me. > > If these products do have any real effects, the only effects I have experienced have been aggression from my male friends. > > While wearing TUTH alone: > > - I notice no change in female interaction towards me. > > - Friends become noticeably more aggressive and challenging towards me > > - I am challenged frequently in conversation regarding the validity of statements etc. This almost always leads to a crazy argument about the most mundane topic and who is right and wrong. > > - This almost always leads to an aggressive verbal fight while we all try to protect our pride. > > - I seem to get more aggressive myself, sometimes overreacting to minor comments, and assuming the worst in people’s intentions. > > NOTE: In all these cases my friends and I were under the influence of alcohol. > > Also note that I may naturally be perceived as a dominant, arrogant type male who other males wish to contradict and overpower to get the “top dog” position. > > for some reason some of the biggest baddest mother truckers I know (get more girls, better looking etc) seem to be threatened by me and its really affecting my social life. > > Having said all this regarding my personality, I just feel that the pheromones are making it worst. > > I am usually aware that when I make certain comments that they could possibly piss a male friend off, and I am prepared for his reaction. > > In the case of the pheromone events, it seemed to be them getting aggressive first, and in turn making me quickly aggressive after. > > Help? as a woman, TUTH is my LEAST favorite mix here. dont feel bad if you cant use it, _all_ the chicks i let use it in their private life said they cant stand how it turns out. contrary to popular belief, its NOT the only sexual pheromix here. its not that pheros are not for you, its that 'none is not for you. youd get some good charisma out of some IH and instant shine, and that would be from BOTH your buddies and the gals. if you are already pretty dominant, these only add a “popularity” edge to your persona. bet you get killer reactions with those. ---
**Author:** ![Snoopyace](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/snoopyace/32/1727_2.png) [@Snoopyace](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Snoopyace)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 6:44pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fights-and-aggression/29265/7 "2009-05-25T18:44:03Z")
My favorite products on here are the ‘social ones’ for getting women interested. I use [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/) and Instant Shine along with Instant openness or CTTM2 and I get a LOT of attention from people. I’ve found that in addition to making women more open and interested, men and women both find me more likeable and seem to be more interested in interacting with me. ---
**Author:** ![TheGodfather](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegodfather/32/1812_2.png) [@TheGodfather](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheGodfather)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 7:11pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fights-and-aggression/29265/8 "2009-05-25T19:11:07Z")
Thanks for the reply’s, I have used other mones. My first order was AMMO and Shine. Anytimes I got laid, or had any physical contact making out etc, I was wearing AMMO togo with shine togo (long time ago, ran out quickly) and more frequently in university I was wearing TUTH fullsize with IFM togo. TUTH with IFM perhaps had some good effects with some women. I Usually only wore 1 spray to 1.5ish and spread aouround neck chest, behind ears. I have used: AMMO, TUTH, HONESTY, OPPENESS, IFM and SHINE. Most were togo gifts, that I would use up quickly and would be unable to mix with may later purchases. Basically I think I already have that “Jerk” vibe to both men and women. And I agree with out all, that I need something to dilute and complement my natural “[Instant Jerk](https://a314.com/product/instant-jerk/)” ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 8:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fights-and-aggression/29265/9 "2009-05-25T20:05:15Z")
'none puts some over the edge, and then even when guys use Ammo (yes,there is a bit of 'none) there are social pheros in there to soften it so a wider range of ages can use it. i _adore_ Ammo… i cant imagine how you wearing shine and honesty didnt have everyone glued to you unless you used it modestly 😕 if i wear any honesty at all people wont leave me alone (not that im complaining…) ---
**Author:** ![jessejester](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/jessejester/32/1683_2.png) [@jessejester](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jessejester)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2009, 9:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fights-and-aggression/29265/10 "2009-05-25T21:28:18Z")
> [@TheGodfather](#): > > Anytimes I got laid, or had any physical contact making out etc, I was wearing AMMO togo with shine togo (long time ago, ran out quickly) . Sounds like this combo worked. Why not try that again? ---
**Author:** ![zyron](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/zyron/32/1842_2.png) [@zyron](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/zyron)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 1:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fights-and-aggression/29265/11 "2009-05-26T01:46:13Z")
I tried turn U the heat as a experiment in just walking around places. I’m a older dude. and that stuff makes me feel kinda mad and mean. that was a while ago though. saving that stuff for a different occasion. Hope you can try the social ones again soon. those really are fun ones. and they help to mellow yourself out. like Shine, CTTM, [Instant Honesty](https://a314.com/product/instant-honesty/). ---
**Author:** ![TheGodfather](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegodfather/32/1812_2.png) [@TheGodfather](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheGodfather)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 8:03am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fights-and-aggression/29265/12 "2009-05-26T08:03:54Z")
Would using small amounts of A314 help, or would it just make me seem even more like a prick in their eyes? Also I prefer not to intimidate girls, because I think I already do. INSTANT FEMALE MAGIC IS OUT OF STOCK! IMF is the one pheromone I actually have faith in and think is perfect for me and I cant get it. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 8:28am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fights-and-aggression/29265/13 "2009-05-26T08:28:39Z")
A314 is very Alpha and if you already intimidate it will cause more distancing. You mentiond AMMO and Ishine worked well for you and when you wore those it was the only time you got “laid” . IFM made TUTH a little better but for some reason its the only mone you believe in even though the others did work. Its pretty obvious you need to stay away from the alpha or overly masculine aggressive products Products that would be good for you IG IO IH CTTM Ishine and small amounts of AMMO. I know the names of these are not as exciting as TUTH A314 or IFM but your not wearing the name. Alot of guys skip the socials because they dont “sound” as exciting as the more sexual masculine mones and really your not doing yourself any favors by doing this. You really need to try those because those are what will attract and draw women to you. You are young and already make plenty of the masculine mones. IFM is out of stock and will be for a while. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![TheGodfather](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/thegodfather/32/1812_2.png) [@TheGodfather](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/TheGodfather)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 8:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fights-and-aggression/29265/14 "2009-05-26T08:32:52Z")
well to clarify, I actually had more sucess with IMF and TUTH together during university. But this may be due to the fact that I was able to test this 3 times a week in a club setting around drunk university girls for 8 months. Where as with my first order (shine, ammo) they were all togo bottles that were used quickly and in highly varied environments. Anyways I agree, And you are spot on in saying I am sort of unispired due to the product names, yet I 100% understand my need to lighten up my personality and pheromone choices. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2009, 9:09am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fights-and-aggression/29265/15 "2009-05-26T09:09:28Z")
Well that makes total sense because TUTH is only supposed to be used in a sexually charged environment. In normal everyday environments it comes on to strong and give the creepy perv vibe. AMMO on the other hand has the same amount of anone in it but is buffered by two other mones that make it appropriate to wear anywhere. I don’t think its that your personality is so overly aggressive that you can not wear anone products at all. You just need to learn more about what products are for what situations. A Lot of guys in the low twenties use anone products all the time successfully. The difference is they use a lot of socials with it to buffer it. Like I said your not wearing the name. As Lor mentioned some women don’t like anone “when they wear it”. This is true and its totally normal as well. Its a male mone and women can feel out of sorts with it on them if they use to much. But on a man its a whole different vibe. Its congruent with what our brains have been processing about men and women all our lives and its arousing and attractive. I never discourage totally the use of anone by a man you just have to find your correct dosage. Just like when men wear women’s mones, like copulins or TAH. I little is OK but to much and they feel out of sorts and uncomfortable. Women look at them and think something is defiantly not right here. But on a women they are great. Copulins are something we need to watch out when wearing. I little in a mix and we give a sexy feminine vibe. To much and it can cause cattiness in other women and overly aggressive behavior in men. The overly aggressive is good in certain environments but not others. Its all about balance and finding what works for you. I think taking a product like AMMO which is appropriate everywhere. Using small amounts of it and complimenting it with the above products I mentioned in my previous post would serve you well. This way you have the socials to draw them in and make them feel comfortable and then the Ammo sneaks in under the radar and heats them up a little. Give that a try and see how you do. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Lor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/lor/32/759_2.png) [@Lor](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Lor)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 4:32am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fights-and-aggression/29265/16 "2009-05-27T04:32:02Z")
Tisha, im not sure where your getting that i said i wore it? > [@](#): > > As Lor mentioned some women don’t like [Androstenone](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) “when they wear it”. This is true and its totally normal as well. Its a male pheromone and women can feel out of sorts with it on them if they use to much. i think you misunderstood. _we werent wearing it_. my galpals and i have tried TUTH in private-times, but NEVER would I EVER encourage a woman to wear it !!! shoot, i cant encourage a woman to sniff it twice 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 9:26am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fights-and-aggression/29265/17 "2009-05-27T09:26:30Z")
Ahh Yes I did misunderstand, I thought you meant when you or your female friends wear it because I agree I have seen women hate it even in low amounts then. But when worn on men I have seen the opposite in my testing. Its the natural essence of men. They all make it and its a major factor in what attracts us to them. But your right to much or anything can have a bad effect. In the blind study we did (with male testers) women tend to love it. It was just when we got to over 7.5 mcg’s that irritation started to kick in on a few of them. Over 15 mcgs and all of them were pissed LOL Its just tough to find balance with for any user male or female because your natural amounts have to be considered more. I do agree that the socials and IG would work well for him since he has a high anone sig already. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 3:48pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fights-and-aggression/29265/18 "2009-05-27T15:48:22Z")
> [@TheGodfather](#): > > well to clarify, I actually had more sucess with IMF and TUTH together during university. > > But this may be due to the fact that I was able to test this 3 times a week in a club setting around drunk university girls for 8 months. > > Where as with my first order (shine, ammo) they were all togo bottles that were used quickly and in highly varied environments. > > Anyways I agree, > > And you are spot on in saying I am sort of unispired due to the product names, yet I 100% understand my need to lighten up my personality and pheromone choices. reading your list, and reactions, you will likely have better luck with less Andestrone products, such as [Instant Gentleman](https://a314.com/product/gentleman/), vs TUTH, or using IO and Just a little IH, I do this for fun- 2 sprays IO, 2 sprays Instant Shine, and a touch of TUTH (unscrew the top, tap the spray tube to get the drop off and then drag the almost dry spray tube up the back of my ear) This is a better mix for attraction, then add a full spray of TUTH when you are ready to get busy… as you have seen Andestrone is a double edged sword, a little is good, to much and you get the opposite effects you are looking for. Guys wanting to fight, and creating more distance on the girls. TUTH and A314 have the same amount of Andestrone in them, just A314 is oil based so it diffuses slower and lasts longer. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 9:27pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fights-and-aggression/29265/19 "2009-05-27T21:27:17Z")
> [@](#): > > as you have seen Andestrone is a double edged sword, a little is good, to much and you get the opposite effects you are looking for. Guys wanting to fight, and creating more distance on the girls. > > [Turn Up The Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) and [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) have the same amount of Andestrone in them, just [A314](https://a314.com/product/a314-classic/) is oil based so it diffuses slower and lasts longer. Do you mean Anone or Arone ? A314 is 80% arone. TUTH is mainly anone with a trace amount of steering mones. They dont have the same amount of arone or anone in them. > [@](#): > > 2 sprays [Instant Openness](https://a314.com/product/instant-openness/) , 2 sprays Instant Shine, and a touch of [Turn Up The Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) (unscrew the top, tap the spray tube to get the drop off and then drag the almost dry spray tube up the back of my ear) > This is a better mix for attraction, then add a full spray of [Turn Up The Heat](https://a314.com/product/turn-up-the-heat-tuth/) when you are ready to get busy… This is a good ideal. Use dabs just for just a trace of anone. You dont have to spray it. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![Wolfy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wolfy/32/965_2.png) [@Wolfy](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wolfy)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2009, 9:45pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/fights-and-aggression/29265/20 "2009-05-27T21:45:39Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > Do you mean Anone or Arone ? A314 is 80% arone. TUTH is mainly anone with a trace amount of steering mones. They dont have the same amount of arone or anone in them. they all sound the same to me… But I stand corrected.