# Figuring Out Attraction **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [November 19, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/figuring-out-attraction/34215 "2009-11-19T17:56:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jakeable83](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f1d935/32.png) [@jakeable83](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jakeable83)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 5:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/figuring-out-attraction/34215/1 "2009-11-19T17:56:29Z")
So I wasn’t too sure where to post this but i think it fits best here. Let preface my questions and theory with what lead me to this train of thought. First off I’m 26 years old and that’s me in my avatar. I’m a very social guy and have been using [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/) to experiment at work and “up” my game outside of work. This past weekend I went out to a couple clubs down here in Scottsdale (where I normally go). However this night in particular I had what could only be described as a low amount of energy, basically I wasn’t my normal social butterfly self but I just couldn’t let a weekend go by without testing my stock of mones out. I went with 3 drops of A314 one split between my wrists, and one on each side of my neck, 4 sprays of IO back side of the neck in my hair, and both forearms, then 1 sprays of tuth to my chest underneath my shirt. Then I brought a togo IH and TUTH for a reapplication. I went out with my normal crew except there was a girl I had only met once or twice before along with us, on the ride up to the clubs we had to squeeze into a car and she was sitting right next to me, I wondered if I had ODed on none because I never really got a hit from her at all, she wasn’t standoffish or anything but wasn’t chatty either. The first club we went to was a smaller place lots of dancing not too much room for much else. I noticed that guys kept invading my space while I was dancing not in an aggressive way (I don’t really like it when some guy I don’t know is continually touching me when there is no need for it and will always move if I invade some other guys space) but it wasn’t so packed that they had to be that close to me. No real hits that I noticed from females though. After a while we went to the last place for the night a bigger club that is basically two different clubs in one (has two “sides” to it that plays different types of dance music hip hop and house). More dancing here and just like the last club I’m finding guys being more friendly then the woman (now I’m a bit tipsy at this point so I could of just been in my own world and didn’t notice the hits i was getting). Finally this is when it gets good i head to the bathroom and this female (we will call her M she is a 28 year, hott Caucasian ) passes me and as she does we make eye contact and I get my first (at least what i noticed as my first) DIHL look from her i smile and say hi and then continue on my way to the bathroom (with the intention of finding her after). I finish up and leave the men’s room and sure enough there she is (waiting for me?) chilling by herself at this point I approach and we hit it off… I number close (she by the way is insisting i call her the next day says i need to more at least three times, then before I even would have a chance calls me the next morning). Now I’ve come to find out after talking with her several times and the last convo we had she lets me know that she never NEVER dates younger men (this is after we have already set up a date), in fact she went through a phase in her early 20’s where she was dating men in the uppers 30’s, and now keeps it within about 5 to 7 years older then she is. So it has to be the A314 that hit her and drew her into me and started the attraction in the first place, or maybe it just helped it along and this is what brings my to my questions/theory. I wonder if it is something chemical, or ingrained in us, or if its some sort of conditioning that determines what we are attracted to (and to be more clear I’m speaking more specifically about attraction for women, cause lets be honest guys are pretty easy to figure out 😉 ). For example does society play a big part into what we decide we want out of our mate, or is it about the pheromones we pick up from certain people, or is it genetic? Maybe its a combination of the three. My theory is that no matter what the catalyst that causes women to be attracted to what they are attracted to, finding out what type of person your “target” female is attracted to you could help yourself along by applying the correct pheromones to give off the same vibe. Like in my case of M, she obviously likes an older guy for whatever reason, and i was able to “get on her radar” by using the A314 (and then closing because I’m so damn charming haha). I would bet that a female that is attracted to the “bad boy” type would be more influenced by someone wearing a none based product. Basically I’m thinking that if you can replicate the “type” of pheromone signature that is associated with your targets tastes could result in better hits from them. Like for women who always seem to end up with jerks, they must be more attracted to none based products, or like M like the older men then maybe its the Rnone that helped me out. Or the women who like the artists could that be one of the social mones? Maybe there is some sort of combination that these types and more extrude that causes those certain women to be attracted to that certain type of guy. What I would love is to get some feedback from some of the more experienced members here who have done a lot of testing and maybe we could come up with some sort of guide for pheromone users to use to help them “attract” that certain female that may be eluding them. (also too if this is a subject that has been covered before please let me know) P.S I apologize if my thought process seems broken or disorganized I wrote this up at work and have had many distractions thanks for bearing with me. ---
**Author:** ![Blacky\_Chan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/blacky_chan/32/973_2.png) [@Blacky\_Chan](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Blacky_Chan)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/figuring-out-attraction/34215/2 "2009-11-19T20:28:17Z")
> [@jakeable83](#): > > I wonder if it is something chemical, or ingrained in us, or if its some sort of “learned” situation that determines what we are attracted to (and to be more clear I’m speaking more specifically about attraction for women, cause lets be honest guys are pretty easy to figure out 😉 ). For example does society play a big part into what we decide we want out of our mate, or is it about the pheromones we pick up from certain people, or is it genetic? Maybe its a combination of the three. I think its a mostly learned situation and that chemcal sigs play a minor part. There are two _redneck_ girls at my local bar, I’ve tried several different combos and observed reactions. Girl A will willingly open me and have a light convo. Girl B, I have to open her, but she’ll talk about anything I ask. However when her friends (good ole boys) come in she avoids me like the plague > [@jakeable83](#): > > My theory is that no matter what the catalyst that causes women to be attracted to what they are attracted to, finding out what type of person your “target” female is attracted to you could help yourself along by applying the correct pheromones to give off the same vibe. Like in my case of M, she obviously likes an older guy for whatever reason, and i was able to “get on her radar” by using the A314 (and then closing because I’m so damn charming haha). I would bet that a female that is attracted to the “bad boy” type would be more influenced by someone wearing a none based product. i agree to a certain point, but most women make an assesment before they enter mone range. Bathe a bookworm in none and he doesn’t set off the bad boy image. Acting like a jerk without the _jerk phero sig_ will still attract certain women. Last night I did observe something odd. We’ll call her B, 19yr old waitress I met a few days before. (MX302X3 p83 30mcgs coverd in GIT) I walk in she greets me with a hug then says “Oh you smell nice” Took a seat at the bar and started chatting with the other guys. My normal spot is a chair next to the station where waitresses place orders was taken. So I had to take a chair next some loud grabby feely(on the girls) guy. I think he stole my phero sig. When B or any other girl would walk by he would grab them and start flirting. B always seemed to be lingering around,so I got up and moved about 8 ft away. Now heres the odd part. Every time I talked to B over the course of the night this happened. We would start a normal conversation, while maintaining eye contact I could see her pupils dialate, she’d become upbeat and start smiling. Then suddenly like an alarm went off she’d do a minor DIHL and walk away. Don’t know if it was a social stigma or sexual pressure response ---
**Author:** ![jakeable83](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f1d935/32.png) [@jakeable83](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jakeable83)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 8:56pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/figuring-out-attraction/34215/3 "2009-11-19T20:56:48Z")
> [@Blacky\_Chan](#): > > i agree to a certain point, but most women make an assesment before they enter mone range. Bathe a bookworm in none and he doesn’t set off the bad boy image. Acting like a jerk without the _jerk phero sig_ will still attract certain women. That makes sense I’m thinking a strong level of congruence as well would be needed to have the best effect. The way I picture is as “playing” the part this means your actions, what you wear and your phero signature, and altering each to optimize the impact on your “target”. Obviously this isn’t something you can do on the fly unless you wanna carry a whole bunch of togo’s with you, but I feel it would come in handy when you know your target some what and want to successfully pursue something with them. Now I don’t think you should EVER change who you are for someone (like your core principals and believes). But merely tweak your image to facilitate what your desires are. I just got a call from an ex g/f who is usually into the established alpha male, she likes a challenge and wants a guy she feels like she has to pursue, to go out for drinks soon. A little background we broke up about 4 years ago and have in the past year rekindled a friendship she is dating a couple other guys and I’m dating as well so this is set up as just a couple friends getting together for some drinks. So to further investigate this theory I’m going to us 3 drops of A314 and a spray or two of IJ I’m thinking no socials on this one as we’ve never had any problems keeping up a convo and we have a good re pore, so this will be a great test to see if i get any unusual hits from her. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/figuring-out-attraction/34215/4 "2009-11-19T21:09:14Z")
Sounds to me like a shit test - she has decided she likes you and now is seeing if, when tested, your actions are congruent with your attitude. She will bring up this dating older men thing again - Whatever you do, do not respond by qualifying yourself (saying that you act older than you real age or something similar). I would personally use the opportunity to disqualify yourself (“Well thats too bad cause I ain’t getting any older today”). It shows that you aren’t desperate for her to be attracted to you - desperation being incongruent with high social status. Aloofness is a key component to Alphaness (high status)… Essentially - “So what you only date older men, if you decide not to date me because I’m not “old” enough it is your loss” When she says she likes older men she is saying she likes higher status men (because as men age we tend to become more respectable, have more money, have more power… in essence, have more status). A314 definetly helped you get her attention if she is naturally attracted to status. ---
**Author:** ![jakeable83](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f1d935/32.png) [@jakeable83](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jakeable83)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 9:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/figuring-out-attraction/34215/5 "2009-11-19T21:22:39Z")
> [@Wrlprchnx](#): > > Sounds to me like a shit test - she has decided she likes you and now is seeing if, when tested, your actions are congruent with your attitude. > > She will bring up this dating older men thing again - Whatever you do, do not respond by qualifying yourself (saying that you act older than you real age or something similar). I would personally use the opportunity to disqualify yourself (“Well thats too bad cause I ain’t getting any older today”). It shows that you aren’t desperate for her to be attracted to you - desperation being incongruent with high social status. Aloofness is a key component to Alphaness (high status)… Essentially - “So what you only date older men, if you decide not to date me because I’m not “old” enough it is your loss” > > When she says she likes older men she is saying she likes higher status men (because as men age we tend to become more respectable, have more money, have more power… in essence, have more status). A314 definetly helped you get her attention if she is naturally attracted to status. I think your right about the shit test for sure, when she told me I stole a line from the movie Big Daddy with Adam Sandler accusing her of liking old wrinkly balls haha. ---
**Author:** ![Wrlprchnx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/wrlprchnx/32/1360_2.png) [@Wrlprchnx](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Wrlprchnx)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2009, 9:35pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/figuring-out-attraction/34215/6 "2009-11-19T21:35:28Z")
> [@jakeable83](#): > > I think your right about the shit test for sure, when she told me I stole a line from the movie Big Daddy with Adam Sandler accusing her of liking old wrinkly balls haha. Nice! A good solid neg works pretty good too ---
**Author:** ![jakeable83](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f1d935/32.png) [@jakeable83](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jakeable83)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 8:28pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/figuring-out-attraction/34215/7 "2009-11-20T20:28:40Z")
Today for fun I decided to go to work wearing 2 drops of A314 and a spray of IJ (actually more like 1.5 sprays as it was suppose to be just one but I was in a hurry and only got half of the first spray to neck and then put a full spray under my scrubs). At work I haven’t gotten really any hits, but I’m noticing the self effects quite a bit. I feel the the alpha, alpha male… like I don’t really give a shit what happens all I know is whatever does I’m right, people will agree with me and thank me for it haha (maybe a little exaggeration but I feel over the top cockiness at the moment). I have a date tonight that before today I was really looking forward to but I’m finding with my new “attitude” that it seems more like a pain in the ass!!! (obviously this must be the nature of IJ). This is a combo I will be testing specifically on those women who (duh) usually date the “jerk”. _edit_ Just had my first chance to test… Stopped at my old gym to talk to a buddy who works there and while in his office this VERY attractive 20 something girl walks in to say hi while we are talking, she seemed (without knowing anything about her) the type that would dig the “jerk”, she made some small talk with my buddy i made some comments mostly to my friend kinda ignoring her (I felt no need to engage her directly in convo) she interrupts me to introduce herself, feeling the full effects of this combo I don’t feel the need to give my name in return and I go back to talking with my buddy. Out of the corner of my eye I notice her shifting about like she was frustrated that she wasn’t getting any attention, she was throwing some minor IOI’s at me (body facing, playing with her hair) I kept getting a sense while i was talking that she was trying to get me to notice her, then she abruptly announces she has to go and left looking frustrated, to me it seemed like she was expecting to be the center of the conversation and it really got under her skin that she wasn’t getting noticed (dunno if it was a good or bad thing). ---
**Author:** ![jakeable83](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f1d935/32.png) [@jakeable83](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/jakeable83)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2009, 9:03pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/figuring-out-attraction/34215/8 "2009-11-20T21:03:22Z")
Just had my first chance to test… Stopped at my old gym to talk to a buddy who works there and while in his office this VERY attractive 20 something girl walks in to say hi while we are talking, she seemed (without knowing anything about her) the type that would dig the “jerk”, she made some small talk with my buddy i made some comments moslty to my friend kinda ignoring her (I felt no need to engage her directly in convo) she inturrupts me to intorduce herself, feeling the full effects of this combo I don’t feel the need to give my name in return and I go back to talking with my buddy. Out of the coner of my eye I notice her shifting about like she was frustrated that she wasn’t getting any attention, she was throwing some minor IOI’s at me (body facing, playing with her hair) I kept getting a sense while i was talking that she was trying to get me to notice her, then she abruptly annonces she has to go and left looking frustrated, to me it seemed like she was expecting to be the center of the conversation and it really got under her skin that she wasn’t getting noticed (dunno if it was a good or bad thing).