# Final advice regarding first order **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [January 8, 2012, 3:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/final-advice-regarding-first-order/54130 "2012-01-08T15:08:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![CanadianGuy45](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/76d3ee/32.png) [@CanadianGuy45](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CanadianGuy45)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 3:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/final-advice-regarding-first-order/54130/1 "2012-01-08T15:08:35Z")
Hello [pheromone](https://pheromonelabs.com/) veterans. I am new to this forum having only joined yesterday. I have received some very sound advice from some extremely knowledgeable people, and i am grateful. I would like some final suggestions regarding a starting point on which products to start with. I am 45 years old, and do not go to bars or clubs, therefore i am interested in products to wear at locations such as Book stores, Grocery stores or malls. I am able to speak to anyone with ease, yet, a type of Icebreaker, or conversation starter is what i am looking for. I would like to attract primarily women 30-40, and, through previous information that has been suggested to me, the base product that i will be purchasing is AMMO, over TUTH. I have researched extensively and I am very confused on which product to buffer AMMO with: IO, IH, IS, etc. All of these products seem to offer excellent attributes, yet, I do not have any experience with them. Also, I am planning a vacation to Latin America in May, so therefore, having my product knowledge and arsenal understood would be very beneficial and guideance would be greatly appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 6:49pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/final-advice-regarding-first-order/54130/2 "2012-01-08T18:49:38Z")
[Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) and IS is one of the classic sexy/social/feelgood attraction mixes. Adding-in IO will help promote conversation and further moderate the none, which will be useful in work. Once you are talking to someone regularly, or meeting-up again, it might be an idea to switch from IO to IH as this will help deepen the conversation and promote bonding but personally, I tend to go with IS/IH from the off as I have got much better at initiating conversations in the last few years and this mix (with or without with various types of sexual/status product) helps you get into deep happy conversation quickly, in a way that often goes somewhere good. 🙂 I know you say you don’t do bars but it might be worth considering cultivating a few more sociable/up-market places - There is no denying that pheros do work all the more dramatically on someone whose inhibitions have lowered after couple of drinks. I’m not talking shitfaced of course, just happy! 🙂 I know the situation myself as I have to watch what I drink for medical reasons but I’m more than happy to not drink at all. ---
**Author:** ![CanadianGuy45](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/76d3ee/32.png) [@CanadianGuy45](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CanadianGuy45)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 7:08pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/final-advice-regarding-first-order/54130/3 "2012-01-08T19:08:10Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Ammo and IS is one of the classic sexy/social/feelgood attraction mixes. Adding-in IO will help promote conversation and further moderate the none, which will be useful in work. > > Once you are talking to someone regularly, or meeting-up again, it might be an idea to switch from IO to IH as this will help deepen the conversation and promote bonding but personally, I tend to go with IS/IH from the off as I have got much better at initiating conversations in the last few years and this mix (with or without with various types of sexual/status product) helps you get into deep happy conversation quickly, in a way that often goes somewhere good. 🙂 > > I know you say you don’t do bars but it might be worth considering cultivating a few more sociable/up-market places - There is no denying that pheros do work all the more dramatically on someone whose inhibitions have lowered after couple of drinks. I’m not talking shitfaced of course, just happy! 🙂 I know the situation myself as I have to watch what I drink for medical reasons but I’m more than happy to not drink at all. Thank you for the advice. I think i will go with your advice, and go directly with AMMO + IS + IH. Also, from time to time, i will consider adding in a lounge atmosphere where their may be some ladies who have been loosened by a drink or 2. I believe that your advice may be bang on for the type of attraction that i am interested in achieving. Thank you, Wes ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 7:41pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/final-advice-regarding-first-order/54130/4 "2012-01-08T19:41:03Z")
Thanks. Have you read these two threads? > [@An Introduction to Mones: Names, Size, Strength, Use, Effects & Duration](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-introduction-to-mones-names-size-strength-use-effects-length-of/43003): > > Welcome to an exciting world of [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/). By joining our community you have taken a HUGE step in progressing a science that is cutting edge and still in its infancy. This community is globally important in recognizing pheromones, and Neuroinfluence Technology ? and their impact on human communication. There are thousands of posts here and thousands more users. Each one of us, including you, adds a unique dynamic to the community from our individual perspectives, experiences and our research an… > [@Application points 101: a guide to where on the body to apply pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/application-points-101/53343): > > Originally found here: [Application points 101: chest, neck and ears, and taming -none products under a shirt](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/application-points-101/52170) Application Points 101 You gesture your hand with precision, moving across the audiences olfactory senses, with every calculated move, you enhance their senses and draw them in. You smile as you move around the room, trailing behind you the scent, people look around and spot you, from the corner of your eye, you spot a women, possibly of your dreams for that night. You draw her in wit… They cover all the basics on finding your effetive dose and application. ---
**Author:** ![CanadianGuy45](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/76d3ee/32.png) [@CanadianGuy45](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CanadianGuy45)\ **Post date:** [January 8, 2012, 9:50pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/final-advice-regarding-first-order/54130/5 "2012-01-08T21:50:44Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > Thanks. Have you read these two threads? > > [An Introduction to Mones: Names, Size, Strength, Use, Effects & Duration](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/an-introduction-to-mones-names-size-strength-use-effects-length-of/43003) > > [Application points 101: a guide to where on the body to apply pheromones](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/application-points-101/53343) > > They cover all the basics on finding your effetive dose and application. Yes, thank you, i have read through these threads. They definitely do give some very good information. Regards, Wes ---
**Author:** ![Laguna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bc8723/32.png) [@Laguna](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Laguna)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2012, 7:57am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/final-advice-regarding-first-order/54130/6 "2012-01-09T07:57:28Z")
> [@CanadianGuy45](#): > > Thank you for the advice. I think i will go with your advice, and go directly with AMMO + IS + IH. Also, from time to time, i will consider adding in a lounge atmosphere where their may be some ladies who have been loosened by a drink or 2. > > I believe that your advice may be bang on for the type of attraction that i am > interested in achieving. > > Thank you, > > Wes I think you should add IO to your first purchase. Like you, I only made my first purchase a few weeks ago before the new year. My very first order was A314 and a week after was Ammo, TUTH, IO, IS, and IH. For your case, I think Double Ammo, IO, IH, and double IS would be good. Maybe in to-go bottles for cheaper prices. I just went with the full 30ml sizes. ---
**Author:** ![CanadianGuy45](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/76d3ee/32.png) [@CanadianGuy45](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CanadianGuy45)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2012, 12:13pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/final-advice-regarding-first-order/54130/7 "2012-01-10T12:13:09Z")
Thanks all for the guideance. I will be placing my order friday. Some information that i never mentioned, I recently ordered NPA and The Edge before finding this site. These products have not arrived, yet i would like to add/supplement from here. Having a reasonable arsenal to start out with will be good to help discover effects of different products. Regards, Wes ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2012, 12:24pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/final-advice-regarding-first-order/54130/8 "2012-01-10T12:24:12Z")
NPA and Edge are both good products - you will find them especially useful in Columbia. 🙂 I do find Edge’s scent a bit overpowering. Edge is also effectively NPA diluted 1:5. There are good threads here on using, dosing and diluting NPA in other proportions and both will be usable with your IO, IH, IS and other social/status pheros from here. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CanadianGuy45](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/76d3ee/32.png) [@CanadianGuy45](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CanadianGuy45)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2012, 12:52pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/final-advice-regarding-first-order/54130/9 "2012-01-10T12:52:33Z")
Perfect. I was just about to send you a message Mobocaster, asking your opinion. Thank you for the prompt reply. Therefore, because i have limited funds for purchasing products such as these, as well, i have not received my GC. In your opinion, would you recommend i continue with my original decision of going with AMMO, IH and IS? Wes ---
**Author:** ![mobocaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@mobocaster](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/mobocaster)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2012, 2:05pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/final-advice-regarding-first-order/54130/10 "2012-01-10T14:05:03Z")
I think that would be an excellent choice. The 2x IO, IH and IS will be good for moderating the NPA into something suitable for wearing at work - You may find it a bit overt on its own. Heavy Ammo is much better balanced to begin with but I’ve always found that NPA/Edge goes down well in more uninhibited social settings and with Hispanics in particular. NPA also goes well in high-impact status/sexual mixes with A314. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CanadianGuy45](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/76d3ee/32.png) [@CanadianGuy45](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/CanadianGuy45)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2012, 4:21am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/final-advice-regarding-first-order/54130/11 "2012-01-11T04:21:47Z")
> [@mobocaster](#): > > I think that would be an excellent choice. The 2x IO, IH and IS will be good for moderating the NPA into something suitable for wearing at work - You may find it a bit overt on its own. > > Heavy Ammo is much better balanced to begin with but I’ve always found that NPA/Edge goes down well in more uninhibited social settings and with Hispanics in particular. NPA also goes well in high-impact status/sexual mixes with A314. 🙂 My problem exists around the fact that i already have NPA and Edge on order, and as well only wish to spend about $100 more to start out with. I have the natural ability to talk to women, just lack a bit of confidence on approach.