# First Batch Finished - Results and Advice **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [October 12, 2010, 5:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-batch-finished-results-and-advice/42551 "2010-10-12T05:07:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![gatsby](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gatsby/32/1906_2.png) [@gatsby](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gatsby)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 5:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-batch-finished-results-and-advice/42551/1 "2010-10-12T05:07:10Z")
Hi Guys, So I went through my initial beginner stack (well most of it anyways) and wanted to share some results and also get some advice for order number 2. I mostly bought to-go sizes to try things out and get started. I did the beginner route for a while but then went with the tried and tested combos other very helpful members have talked about. My Arsenal: AMMO, IG, IS, IH, IO, TUTH, CTTM Pretty decent start and here are the different combo’s I tried. I tried to make sure I tried them all via the beginner route for at least 3 days each by itself before I went on to the mixes. AMMO: Now I know this is supposedly the best but I find this to be the most ineffective. The scent is overpowering for me to try more than 2 sprays and also initially it seemed to make my allergies worse. Didn’t notice much until I mixed with others. IG: Prob my favorite stand alone. Pleasant smell and just a good vibe. I could feel some of the self effects from this the best though I felt more of a very mellow almost like being stoned type effect in terms of how laid back I was. IS: Only noticed the self effects the first time i tried it but since then haven’t really noticed much. IH, IO: I haven’t really seen much of an effect from these either. I feel that IO especially seems to not have any effect at all for me. IH I could see sometimes when I mixed with IG. CTTM: I don’t understand why they only make a small one of this as I think it’s the best social in the stack for me. I feel that this worked so much better than IO I want more of this for sure. Please make larger sizes. Now on to the mixes I tried: 2 X IG + 2 X IH/IO - This was my standard mix for the daytime and it seems to work very well. The only thing about IG is that does seem to make me a lot more laid back. Unfortunately I didn’t think about using it with IS. Few standouts: 1. During rommate searching I wore IG + IH and one of my potential roommates a girl kept emailing me for quite some time being overly nice and telling me she’ll hold the room for me. 2. At work on of my employees wouldn’t look me in the eye when I wore this. He would just answer the questions I asked and it seemed like he would walk away. Conclusion: This is a great daytime mix. Not sure if the IH or IO or just standalone IG is better but good for work and general daytime use 2 X TUTH + 3 X CTTM - Complete downright nighttime destruction. The first time I put on TUTH and this every single girl I talked to would talk back and start twirling her hair. And I was saying the stupidest stuff. Simply a kick ass mix for me so I didn’t even try to mess with it. Few Standouts: 1. First night I made out with two girls, hooked up with one by the bathroom and then took a completely seperate girl home (full on beast) 2. Got absolutely kidnapped by a bachelorette party with one of the married woman (still late 20’s and very hot) all over me and competition among friends. Conclusion: Umm do I need a conclusion this one is freaking awesome. I can simply go up to a girl say Hi and I would have prob ended up making out with her. 2 X AMMO + 3 X IS/IO - Now I tried this mix several times at both work and outside. Both times when I first put this on I have had several people comment that I need to tone down on the cologne. Actually I don’t understand how some of you use so many sprays and then your actual cologne on top of it. You must be smelling like a perfume salesmen. Conclusion: Decent socially but the smell of [Ammo](https://a314.com/product/ammo/) seems to overbear what could be benefits from it. I have noticed that it is decent on weekend daytime as I’m outside and people do seem to notice me more. So that’s the very abridged version of what I’m finding. Since I bought a large bottle of Ammo and IS I’m committed to figuring those I out though I’m not impressed so far. However I’m super impressed with IG and TUTH especially with CTTM. I can’t understand how IO could be better maybe I need the stronger version. How do these stack up with what you find overall? Would love to hear your thoughts. Gats ---
**Author:** ![gatsby](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gatsby/32/1906_2.png) [@gatsby](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gatsby)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2010, 5:20am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-batch-finished-results-and-advice/42551/2 "2010-10-12T05:20:59Z")
Oh yes I almost forgot my original point. It’s now time for me to re-order so I’m looking for suggestions and ideas. Here are some of my current thoughts: 1. A314 - Since IG has been very successful for me so far maybe A314 will be the next step. However I’m not sure if it will backfire as I already give off the high value vibe and being the owner of my business I’m pretty much at the top already for work. Not sure if the extra bit of alpha and value will help here or backfire. 2. Bigger order of IG - I love this product but my only concern is how laid back I get on it. Sometimes I feel like I lose my killer instinct. Is it possible to OD on IG?? 3. A CTTM equivalent? - I like the effects of CTTM but I haven’t been able to get it from IO or IH. Should I try maybe a higher strength. Why is CTTM only available in a to-go? 4. Experimentals or Putatives??? - am i ready for this madness. Basically it’s all on the table. I’ve had about a month with it and I would say it’s been mixed results but I do beleive that 'mones give you some sort of edge or a difference and I think any edge that you get simply by spraying something on you is something I’d gladly pay for in addition to my general goals of self improvement. What do yall think? Gats ---
**Author:** ![RADMAN513](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/radman513/32/364_2.png) [@RADMAN513](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/RADMAN513)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2010, 2:40am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-batch-finished-results-and-advice/42551/3 "2010-10-13T02:40:50Z")
IG is like A314 jr. It’s mostly Rone same as A314, but it has a mystery ingredient. The calming laid back vibe is thought to be the result of that. If that’s the only drawback and you otherwise enjoyed the other effects of it you might try A314. The alpha value is great but some users do report the intimidation factor sometimes being a drawback. This is where a shot of Ammo and Shine can be really helpful. The extra None and Anol in Ammo coupled with the TAA in [Instant Shine](https://a314.com/product/shine/) really help to make it feel a little younger, sexier, and more approachable. I’m actually quite surprised you didn’t get results from either IO or IH. IO tends to make you wish you could by a bottle of “Instant shut the fuck up already”. Too much has a beta-ing effect imo. Which to be honest could be good if you come off intimidating, unapproachable or if you need an emergency buffer because you used too much Rone or None product. IH on the other hand I absolutely love. Makes starting convo’s easy (not as easy as IO) but once you’re in you can slide into comfort and rapport with a woman like nobodies business. What doses did you try of the three IO, IH and Shine? CTTM2 is technically an experimental mix from my understanding. Designed to be a hybrid between IO and IH from what I can tell. Though it may contain a disinhibitor as well to help other people to take the initiative to talk to you instead of simply being receptive to you opening them. As an experimental product it’s ONLY available in 5ml sizes. As for putatives. There are a bunch of good ones and I have some knowledge (not as much as others) but the deal with putatives and MX’s is that they’re for research purposes (hence why they’re coded P74 instead of androgonnawantmetobeyourboyfriendarone) So they’re actually for research and not so much for individual use. If you want to just experiment try them as single standalones, maybe include with a mix here and there and report back that’s cool but knowing what they contain or what the desired effects are sorta contaminates the reports since me telling you what to expect would taint your perceptions. If you really want to experiment and give back detailed reports for the R&D purposes you can try these. [Pre-Made Experimone 6-Pack, 5mcg/spray – P74, P75, P76, P77, P78, P79 :: ExperiMone™ Series :: Androtics Direct](https://pheromonelabs.com/) [Pre-Made Experimone 6-Pack, 5mcg/spray – P90, P91, P92, P93, P94, P95 :: ExperiMone™ Series :: Androtics Direct](https://pheromonelabs.com/) [Androstenol Split Test Mix Pack: MX384, MX385, MX386, MX387 :: MX Mix Packs :: Experimental Test Mixes :: Androtics Direct](https://pheromonelabs.com/) [Project UF Mix Pack: MX391, MX392, MX393, MX394, MX395 :: Experimental Test Mixes :: Androtics Direct](https://pheromonelabs.com/) [Putative P103 :: Putative Pheromones :: Androtics Direct](https://pheromonelabs.com/) [MX390 :: Experimental Test Mixes :: Androtics Direct](https://pheromonelabs.com/) ---
**Author:** ![gatsby](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/gatsby/32/1906_2.png) [@gatsby](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/gatsby)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 6:07am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-batch-finished-results-and-advice/42551/4 "2010-10-14T06:07:08Z")
Thanks Radman, I’ve read a bunch of your posts before and your advice is always spot on. It seems like you enjoy the old-school player vibe who mixes in a 3some here and there to keep it lively 😉 so I think your stack is really good for that. I play more of the fun playful hipster type so I think IG is the base for me. I’m very happy with IG and TUTH so I’m definitely re-ordering those. I just need to figure out the socials and choose between them. I’m still new but I know myself and my skills pretty well so I’m getting better at seeing which mones enhance what I’m looking for. Now for the experimentals. The new Project UF sounds interesting but what is it generally aimed for. I understand about not giving too much info about the experimentals and putatives but some would be nice just to give a direction as to what you can expect. Any thoughts on Project UF. What is it primarily based of and what is the general recommended areas of usage. Thanks, Gats