# First Date Tips and Advice **URL:** \ **Category:** Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports\ **Created:** [September 8, 2012, 8:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-date-tips-and-advice/56658 "2012-09-08T20:12:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ckravitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d26b3c/32.png) [@ckravitz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ckravitz)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 8:12pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-date-tips-and-advice/56658/1 "2012-09-08T20:12:29Z")
Hello there my friends, I have a question that alone is quick to answer, but I’m going to break it down to the nuts and bolts because I’m just mental like that 😉 Anyway, if you haven’t been following my other thread ([Major and Obvious IOIs using AMMO](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/major-and-obvious-iois-using-ammo/56637)) then you will not know that there is this girl who seems to really like me, and I believe that I really like her. And, if all goes well Monday, I plan on asking her out. A couple things you should know: - We haven’t talked THAT much, but I simply don’t want to pass the opportunity (she has given me some really strong [signs](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/major-and-obvious-iois-using-ammo/56637) of attraction) - We’re both 16, in High School, and have English and Lunch together - If I had to guess, she would be an athletic person - I’ve decided on a mini-golf first date. I’m always funnier and more outgoing when there is a competitive activity involved (and because AskMen puts it at the #1 first date 😃) Let’s say Monday goes amazingly well (fingers crossed!), and I do decide to ask her out right then and there. These are the questions that come to mind: 1. What should the date of the first date be? Should it be on the weekend, that night, the next night, etc? 2. What topics do you suggest I bring up during the date? I’ve already thought of: travels, hobbies, job, brothers/sisters, friends) 3. Should I make it a competition? Or just for fun with a small bit of competitiveness in it? For example, “If I win, you need to sing a song during Kareoke Night at Applebees, and visa versa” (setting up the next date in advance). 4. There is go-carting (and lazer tag) at the location as well. If she seems to be really excited about it, should I opt in for the extras, or do that as a separate date? 5. My two best friends have dates as well. When is a good time to set a “triple date” with them? For example: second date, third date, etc 6. I currently plan on wearing AMMO, IS, IO, and IH for the first date. I also have in my arsenal IG and p130. Should I add or substitue any? _As a side note, I decided to post this topic because Google showed no viable tips, and because you guys are very much experienced with this sort of stuff._ Anyway, thank you in advance for the tips, and I plan on updating you all with the juicy details when they arise. Thanks again 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2012, 11:22pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-date-tips-and-advice/56658/2 "2012-09-08T23:22:04Z")
In my sig is my PUA thread, which is something I would look into, I would love to type out all I know and have learned about a specific topic you are interested in. Now that my thread pimping is done, down to the nitty gritty… How do you ask for a date. Great question. First concept to understand is that of compliance. Once a person says yes to you, they rationalize that what you ask is ok to do. If you ask for her facebook quick, then number, then on a date in the same ten minute conversation, she will rationalize it is ok to date you because it was ok to give out her number. Another key concept is picking the date. A phone number, or facebook, are pointless unless. The goal s to see her again. So you need to get her to agree to see you. I up sell my dates. If you are excited and enthused about the event, so will she. Emotions convey to other people. Picking when to go on the date is a huge issue most people have. I found it best to pick a day you are free. Do not act like you live a boring life. You ask her out monday, you tell her you are free thursday and she should tag along to mini-golf. I also shy away from giving a girl a ‘prime’ day for the date. You have friends who you hang out with on the weekends. You have known them for years. You do not bail on them to hang out with her. She would not do it for you. So, a weekday is a good idea. It also takes the pressure off of it being a friday night ‘date’. For the date itself, I tend to find that if you just have fun yourself, so will she. If you want to play lazer tag, play. Dont ask, just tell her that is what you are doing when you are at the venue. Plus, the more spots you hit, the more time she feels she has known you. It is important to stand out as not just another guy, but THAT guy. Mones help with this, so does leading and knowing what you want. Always being fun does as well. Mini-Golf shines because you can touch her to shown her how to put correctly. High five, hold hands, etc. Touch early so you will not become a friend and it improves the odds for a kiss. A competition is pickle. On one hand, you can tease her for being good or bad at mini-gold, which is great. Teasing is huge for attraction., On the other hand, if she takes it super serious, it will backfire and the mood can get thick. I would go in as you two having fun, and getting to know each other. If she wants it to be a competition, fine. You can make it one to, but be careful to keep it playful and not serious. Conversation. Good ol’ conversation. How do you talk to a girl. Just go with the flow. You are playing a game you two can talk about. If the conversation lags, toss in chatter about you, what you like to do, what you are passionate about. I would throw out a few lines of talking though, make statements about her. They can or cant be true, just tell her she looks like the athletic type of gal who would love to play a game like Mini-Golf. Or tell her she looks like a fire-cracker who wants to do sometign exciting. Or tell her she looks like a bookworm and locks hersulf in her room and reads all night. By making a statement you open up conversation drastically. She will let you know if you are right or wrong. She will giggle. And with that information you can tease her and make the mood fun. You do want to get to know her. Never ask a question just to ask, ask if you really want to know only. Do not be polite, you are looking for a girlfriend, you have standards. What to talk about…well, what you like to do. Convey who you are. Dreams, hopes and what her desires are are great. What she does and you do for fun works. Really, anything, as long as it is a topic you have something to say something about. You can make world of warcraft sound cool if think it is. A double or triple date is not a date, a bunch of couple would go to hang out. That means when you g oout, you two are not on a date, but are a couple. Remember this. It should never be when you are still not ‘official’ yet. As for mones, you need a connection. For her to want to be with you, she needs to feel a connection. IH is the main component. To stay out of the friend zone a little Ammo is nice, but you need to steer it sexual. Remember to use what worked on her in class, if you change it up she may not see you the same way. IO is mindless chatter. It helps but you want the connection more so. I would IO at school to get her chatty so you can get the date set up. I find IG and Ammo is an interesting mix, as would Ammo and [P130](https://a314.com/product/p130/). Younger gals love P130 and IG. Socials are the way to go. I would use IH x2, Ammo x1, IS x2, P130 x1. Ammo on neck/chest, IS in hair, IH on forearm, P130 on jawline. ---
**Author:** ![tisha23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@tisha23](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/tisha23)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2012, 12:27am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-date-tips-and-advice/56658/3 "2012-09-09T00:27:36Z")
Because of your ages I am going to take a slightly different approach then Kimba. > [@](#): > > What should the date of the first date be? Should it be on the weekend, that night, the next night, etc? Mini golf sounds fine. Don’t spring for the extras right out of the gate unless its really an activity you want to do that night. Your 16 and not made of money. May as well set some boundaries now. Believe me I just went through this with my 18 year old. His GF wants to go here and go there and expects him to foot the bill because he works. She is not a gold digger, he just spoiled her to much early on. When he says no, I don’t have the money she pouts and he falls for it. The other night he asked for gas money because she ate through all his spending money and I gave him $20 and told him you sit her down and get your balls back from her NOW or I will. LOL It was a rough few days of them fighting but she came to her senses. You want to avoid this right out of the gate. I don’t agree with the prime day thing especially at your age. She has school the next day and possibly a curfew. Remember your not just impressing her you may have to impress her parents as well. Give her a choice of days your free. Pick one weekend day. Generally her curfew will be a little later on a weekend night. I know some 16 year olds don’t have curfews but until you know more about her parents and her relationship with them its best to assume she does. > [@](#): > > What topics do you suggest I bring up during the date? I’ve already thought of: travels, hobbies, job, brothers/sisters, friends) Family and hobbies are always pretty safe. Things will come up while your together that you can talk about. I wouldn’t worry to much about this. > [@](#): > > Should I make it a competition? Or just for fun with a small bit of competitiveness in it? For example, “If I win, you need to sing a song during Kareoke Night at Applebees, and visa versa” (setting up the next date in advance). There is go-carting (and lazer tag) at the location as well. If she seems to be really excited about it, should I opt in for the extras, or do that as a separate date? What if you lose LOL Do the other stuff on a separate date. This will help set your cash boundaries and give you another opportunity to get together. Now don’t get me wrong I am not saying be cheep, just to set boundaries. Those boundries are going to depend on your cash flow. Hell maybe your a rich kid, I dont know LOL > [@](#): > > My two best friends have dates as well. When is a good time to set a “triple date” with them? For example: second date, third date, etc I agree with Kimba. Establish your relationship first before going on group outings. This is a tricky area because sometimes girls will suggest the group date to put you in there friends box. You want to steer away from that box at first and define your relationship. Now I do know sometimes 16 year olds can only go on group dates. My son ran into this with a few girls in high school. There parents still wouldnt let them go on one on one dates. If this occurs then make sure you have lots of alone time in the group setting. As far as [pheromones](https://a314.com/shop/), dont over do it. Keep it simple and fun. When you begin layering more then three products people begin to run into trouble with mones. Some of the same molecules are in the mixes and you can over steer easily if you dont know what your doing. Ammo Ishine and IH is a good combo. However if you have to meet her parents before this date for some reason go with IG Ishine and IO. Pick one of the other as your base. IG and Ammo both contain ample amounts of arone and you dont want to come off as boring and stuffy which can often happen with to much arone on a teenager. Same with IO and IH. Pick one or the other. I am not one of those people that totally agrees that the two together makes CTTM. These are made in a specific ratios for a reason and when you mix them you flatten them out and take away the individual nuisances. Use IO if your wearing IG as a base. Use IH if your using Ammo as your base. Keep in mind that AMMO and IO both have ample anol in them. You dont want to over steer that way or she can zone out and feel disconnected. If you have to do a 4th P130 is fine unless your AMMO is summer ammo which already has P130. Tisha ---
**Author:** ![alex398](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/77aa72/32.png) [@alex398](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/alex398)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2012, 3:20pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-date-tips-and-advice/56658/4 "2012-09-09T15:20:41Z")
Hi guys, i have an important question… I met this girl and asked her out after we talked for a while and she agreed to see me again. The thing is when we talked a few days later and i was wondering when she would be free, she asked me if it would be ok that she brings a friend along with us. Long story short im just curious as to what this might mean, when we had talked she was very into me and its clear she likes me. Tisha maybe you can give me your womanly perspective? And if i do go out with her and her friend what pheros should i wear? Sorry to hijack your thread but i had to ask this today. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![ckravitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d26b3c/32.png) [@ckravitz](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/ckravitz)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2012, 5:54pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-date-tips-and-advice/56658/5 "2012-09-09T17:54:51Z")
> [@tisha23](#): > > [@KIMBA](#): > Wow, I truly never expected to get such amazing replies. Thank you so much to you both. You have no idea how much it means, and how much it helps 😉 Anyway, **Tisha** , thank you for steering it more towards my age. Thank you for telling me not to go overboard with the first date; it never even occurred to me, but it makes a whole lot of sense. I am usually good with adults (better than kids), and I think I will be ok with the parents. I’m not the type of guy looking to get into her pants. I actually am looking for a relationship. You know, my arm around her shoulder, etc etc Good idea to do those things (Go-Karts, Lazer Tag) on a separate date. As you said, boundaries will be set, but I won’t look cheap. Besides, it will give me a chance to spend money on flowers, etc for the future. Now, **KIMBA** , I love your psychological viewpoint on the matters of asking a girl on a date. I love to think in a psychological perspective, and really examine a person’s body language, so your words spoke to me quite well. I like the progression from Facebook to Phone to Date; it makes sense that it would work well. I like the statement about showing enthusiasm as well. Thank you for giving me some pointers on “touching.” Good ideas, and they will definitely help out. Some of the “lines of dialogue” you said, though, aren’t necessarily for me. I’m looking for a relationship, and some of the statements you said I should say would make me out to be a semi-bad boy, or a usual high school guy that she has to fight to keep. That is simply not how I want to be perceived. And, if that’s what she is looking for, then this whole experience was a complete dud, and, simply put, all my attraction for her would be lost. I like her because she doesn’t seem like the usual High School slut who flirts with every single freakin’ guy. I’m the nice guy, and I perceive her as the nice girl. And I just hope it stays at least close to that way. * * * Again, a monumental thanks goes out to you both. Hopefully, Monday will go well, and if it does I will have you to thank for the future. I’ll update with more info tomorrow. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![KIMBA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@KIMBA](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/KIMBA)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2012, 6:40pm UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-date-tips-and-advice/56658/6 "2012-09-09T18:40:35Z")
> [@alex398](#): > > Hi guys, i have an important question… I met this girl and asked her out after we talked for a while and she agreed to see me again. The thing is when we talked a few days later and i was wondering when she would be free, she asked me if it would be ok that she brings a friend along with us. Long story short im just curious as to what this might mean, when we had talked she was very into me and its clear she likes me. Tisha maybe you can give me your womanly perspective? And if i do go out with her and her friend what pheros should i wear? Sorry to hijack your thread but i had to ask this today. 🆒 Most women will bring a friend along as a safety net. Most guys draw a line at that. I take a different route, I say as loing as I am not paying for the friend, we can hang out. Now, if you asked her on a “Date” and said the word, date specifically, it would be cause for more concern, but it is not abnormal. > [@ckravitz](#): > > Wow, I truly never expected to get such amazing replies. Thank you so much to you both. You have no idea how much it means, and how much it helps 😉 > > Anyway, **Tisha** , thank you for steering it more towards my age. Thank you for telling me not to go overboard with the first date; it never even occurred to me, but it makes a whole lot of sense. > > I am usually good with adults (better than kids), and I think I will be ok with the parents. I’m not the type of guy looking to get into her pants. I actually am looking for a relationship. You know, my arm around her shoulder, etc etc > > Good idea to do those things (Go-Karts, Lazer Tag) on a separate date. As you said, boundaries will be set, but I won’t look cheap. Besides, it will give me a chance to spend money on flowers, etc for the future. > > Now, **KIMBA** , I love your psychological viewpoint on the matters of asking a girl on a date. I love to think in a psychological perspective, and really examine a person’s body language, so your words spoke to me quite well. > > I like the progression from Facebook to Phone to Date; it makes sense that it would work well. I like the statement about showing enthusiasm as well. > > Thank you for giving me some pointers on “touching.” Good ideas, and they will definitely help out. > > Some of the “lines of dialogue” you said, though, aren’t necessarily for me. I’m looking for a relationship, and some of the statements you said I should say would make me out to be a semi-bad boy, or a usual high school guy that she has to fight to keep. That is simply not how I want to be perceived. And, if that’s what she is looking for, then this whole experience was a complete dud, and, simply put, all my attraction for her would be lost. I like her because she doesn’t seem like the usual High School slut who flirts with every single freakin’ guy. I’m the nice guy, and I perceive her as the nice girl. And I just hope it stays at least close to that way. > > * * * > > Again, a monumental thanks goes out to you both. Hopefully, Monday will go well, and if it does I will have you to thank for the future. I’ll update with more info tomorrow. 🙂 I am glad I could help. The “Lines” I have are called cold reads, they are just a way to get to know her quicker and help you stand out as being different. I am not a player, I play the field to find a lass I connect with and want to spend time with. I have been burned before and want a way to quickly and efficiently show who I am to another person, find out who they are, and make a connection. When you met her, you were attracted by her looks, men do that. At the same time you want a friend. At least I do, a best friend. A person I would enjoy spending my time with more than my friends currently. When you get older you will have less free time so this all becomes more important. I just wish when I was your age I knew what I know now, as odds are I could have found someone special by now. Be yourself. But be your best self. Be the guy you wish you were all the time. And if she does not like it, you will know the two of you were not compatible. ---
**Author:** ![Apoplectic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/pheromonetalk.com/apoplectic/32/398_2.png) [@Apoplectic](https://pheromonetalk.com/u/Apoplectic)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2012, 5:46am UTC](https://pheromonetalk.com/t/first-date-tips-and-advice/56658/7 "2012-09-10T05:46:09Z")
Best advice I can give you is to have fun with her. If you’re having fun, things just go smoother; you’re not worrying about what to say next, not worrying what she thinks of you, not stressing about what to fill that awkward silence with, etc.